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falconmaster 24-03-2014 16:51
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364004)
No I agree with everyone else on this thread the actions that were taken in that finals match were way out of line why have it be a finals match but play it like a practice match. I am a new mentor on an AZ team that was competing last weekend FRC team 4841. The day that sponsor gave out that challenge I knew unless something like this situation took place where no one played def that challenge wouldn't be met. I am honestly saddened to see a HOF team act in that manner. I know the team that made me who I am today which is FRC 71 would never act like that, in fact we played every match to the fullest and knew if we lost we gave it our all. If thats the way Arizona Robotics is gonna be ran then I am not someone who wants to be apart of it
No body is perfect not even a HOF team. We were trying to meet a challenge put up by our event sponsor because all parties were interested. I wish the money was not involved but alas we can't get away from that. It was not our motivation. Sorry to disappoint all. I guess there is someone in AZ who does not accept what we did. We did it and we thought it was a worthy challenge and we stand by it, accept it or not.

RoboAlum 24-03-2014 16:52
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy (Post 1364018)
I hate to sound like a broken record, but:


C'mon, it was a fun challenge that no one had attempted. The $500 was just a deduction from the team's entrance fee next year (and they didn't even get it).
No I am upset about how teams payed major money for that regional and for you guys to just treat the finals like its an opportunity to make money and then say well 500 isnt alot of money to some teams like ours that is major money. If youre not going to give it your all and try to win the regional then don't participate in eliminations there are tons of teams who would of loved to have your spot and would of played a tough match to try to get that win.

Nirvash 24-03-2014 16:54
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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1364019)
The amount isnt the problem.
The fact the people are making such a big deal over how two teams decided to play the game and had fun doing it, is the problem.

They didn't play the game how you would if liked, deal with it. Unless you have asked the GDC on how they'd like to see the game played, don't say it isn't in the spirit of things.

The monetary reward obviously wasn't the goal of that match, it was seeing if they could complete the challenge. If you want to complain that the reward influenced them, then you better get rid or all the awards FRC has other then winning a regional.

MrForbes 24-03-2014 16:56
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364024)
If youre not going to give it your all and try to win the regional
Who didn't give it their all to win? We did BETTER in the second finals match, than in the first.

What better strategy was there to win the second match? Play pure defense and not score at all? We had one good defensive robot on our alliance, they had two. What else could we do? I don't get it.

RoboAlum 24-03-2014 16:56
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Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1364023)
No body is perfect not even a HOF team.
Its not the idea of being perfect a HOF team is suppose to set an example for those younger teams.

dodar 24-03-2014 16:57
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by Nirvash (Post 1364029)
The fact the people are making such a big deal over how two teams decided to play the game and had fun doing it, is the problem.

They didn't play the game how you would if liked, deal with it. Unless you have asked the GDC on how they'd like to see the game played, don't say it isn't in the spirit of things.

The monetary reward obviously wasn't the goal of that match, it was seeing if they could complete the challenge. If you want to complain that the reward influenced them, then you better get rid or all the awards FRC has other then winning a regional.
So the AZR Final was only played by 2 teams? And we dont have to ask them, thats what the manual is for; they wouldnt have made the manual nor the updates if they wanted you to ask them how to play the game. And conspiring with your opponents to alter the flow of the game isnt in the spirit of FIRST. The rest of your post I have already posted on.

Tottanka 24-03-2014 16:57
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by Nirvash (Post 1364029)
The fact the people are making such a big deal over how two teams decided to play the game and had fun doing it, is the problem.

They didn't play the game how you would if liked, deal with it. Unless you have asked the GDC on how they'd like to see the game played, don't say it isn't in the spirit of things.

The monetary reward obviously wasn't the goal of that match, it was seeing if they could complete the challenge. If you want to complain that the reward influenced them, then you better get rid or all the awards FRC has other then winning a regional.
My problem here, is that i feel that instead of giving all they got to win the game, the teams decided to give all they got to pass the challenge. The 2 things don't line up, and contradict each other.
As a FIRSTer, i want teams giving all they got to win 100% of the time. Seems like here it didnt happen.

RoboAlum 24-03-2014 16:59
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1364032)
Who didn't give it their all to win? We did BETTER in the second finals match, than in the first.
Are you kidding me please dont tell me you just said that. You're obviously going to do better when there is no one playing def on you.

cgmv123 24-03-2014 17:00
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Originally Posted by Maxwell777 (Post 1364016)
"Good final match" is subject to the viewer's opinion
There are ways to quantity and objectify the quality of a match/game.

Late, back and forth lead charges, upset potential, buzzer beaters/last second scores, and overall game significance all contribute to the quality of a game and all can be assessed in an objective manner.

falconmaster 24-03-2014 17:02
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364012)
I completely agree
Sorry, I was just happy about making over 300 points, Guess I should have curbed my enthusiasm. I had no idea this would all happen. I would have jumped on the other thread if I wanted to get into all this. It has been very educational though. I am always willing to learn. I am looking at the bright side.

Maxwell777 24-03-2014 17:05
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364040)
Are you kidding me please dont tell me you just said that. You're obviously going to do better when there is no one playing def on you.
The score ratio between the two alliances was higher for blue in the 2nd match. So yes, the Blue alliance did better. They improved much more than we did.

dodar 24-03-2014 17:05
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by Maxwell777 (Post 1364047)
The score ratio between the two alliances was higher for blue in the 2nd match. So yes, the Blue alliance did better. They improved much more than we did.
They improved the MOV by 3 points.

falconmaster 24-03-2014 17:06
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364033)
Its not the idea of being perfect a HOF team is suppose to set an example for those younger teams.
You are right

MrForbes 24-03-2014 17:09
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1364040)
Are you kidding me please dont tell me you just said that. You're obviously going to do better when there is no one playing def on you.
Exactly, and we found a way to keep them from playing defense on us.

What would your approach be, other than how we played the first match? That didn't work out so well. I'd really like to know how to win a match like that.

bduddy 24-03-2014 17:11
Re: 301 points! and could have done more
 
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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1364055)
Exactly, and we found a way to keep them from playing defense on us.

What would your approach be, other than how we played the first match? That didn't work out so well. I'd really like to know how to win a match like that.
Did you really just imply that you agreed to this "challenge" in the hope that you would have a better chance of winning without defense? Please tell me that's not what you meant. That's even worse than the idea that your alliance had given up.


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