Teams Holding Multiple Spots For Championships
 

So, according to my current math, there are 389 spots that will be assigned for championships at the moment. Normally, there are 400 teams, meaning there are 11 spots. However, I know there are a couple teams that hold multiple spots at the moment, because they weren't able to pass down their wild card. The purpose of this thread is to identify these teams, so as to figure out how many extra spots there are for teams coming off the waitlist.

16, Baxter Bomb Squad: 2000 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Arkansas Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

20, The Rocketeers: Original Sustaining Team, 2014 New York Tech Valley Winner (Only a team that's won a Regional can hand down another regional winning spot)

148, Robowranglers: Original Sustaining Team, 2014 Dallas Winner (Only a team that's won a Regional can hand down another regional winning spot)

254, The Cheezy Poofs: 2004 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Central Valley Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

359, Hawaiian Kids: 2011 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Northern Lights Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

610, The Coyotes: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Greater Toronto West Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

842, Falcon Robotics: 2008 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Arizona Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1241, THEORY6: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Greater Toronto West Chairman's Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1477, Texas Torque: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Dallas Chairman's Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1986, Team Titanium: 2014 Central Illinois Winner, 2014 Central Illinois Chairman's Winner (Chairman's Spots can't be handed down and don't count as a way to hand down a Wild Card Spot)

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 11

Please add more to the thread if you know of anyone else that is taking multiple spots like this.

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2974, Walton Robotics Palmetto EI & Peachtree Chairmans

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By my math, (assuming 55 regionals and 6 spots given at each, 55 regionals was determined by counting regionals on TBA, I might have messed up), that gives 330 spots via regionals. Add in 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots, that gives 428. In the end, that means there will be probably less than 11 waitlist slots, as there are more spots given than available to account for declined slots.

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3313, Mechatronics: 2014 10,000 Lakes winner, 2014 10,000 Lakes Chairman's Winner

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Where do you get the 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots?

Congratulations to both teams!

3284, Camdenton 4-H LASER Team: 2014 St. Louis Winner, 2014 St. Louis Chairman's Winner (Chairman's Spots can't be handed down and don't count as a way to hand down a Wild Card Spot)

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 14

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340 and 1511 both won Chairmans and EI this year, so that's two more.


Really, really wish we were on the wait list now.

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If you read it, it says that it includes teams that are prequailifed. So, you're counting those teams twice.

We are, but didn't pay, because there hasn't been an option for it yet.

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 16

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The point that I'm trying to make is that teams winning these multiple spots don't automatically generate waitlist spots-they just bring the number of 'winnable/won' spots closer to 400

836, Pittsburgh Winners and EI.

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Congratulations!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 17

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2614, Smoky Mountain Winners and RCA

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There are 54 regionals, according to http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

54x6 spots = 324

There are 27 prequalified teams.

District allocations are:
FiM 32
MAR 18
NE 24
PNW 24

Note district restrictions for counting:
324 + 27 + 32 + 18 + 24 + 24 = 449 teams

There are a number of ways to reduce this number:

- A single team uses multiple spots at the same regional. For example, regional winners plus Chairmans/EI/Rookie Allstar.
- A pre-qualified team earns a regional or district spot.
- A district team attends a regional and earns a spot.

Thus far, we have nowhere near enough teams that have used multiple openings to even approach using the wait list. The question really should be "What percentage of teams earning a spot at Champs aren't going to attend?" - I doubt we'll hit the wait list any other way.

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Have you forgotten about the reserved spaces for the Week 6 and district champs in your calculations?

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Congratulations!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 18
Already know that a couple qualified teams aren't going. I'm still going to call the number above the same thing.

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Championship acceptance is never 100%, though it's apparently higher than normal this year.

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624 - Alamo winners and Chairman's award
2468 - Hub City winners and Chairman's award

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I know for Michigan, there are three teams that have earned spots at a regional outside of our districts. Those are:

910- Buckeye Winner
217- Buckeye Chairman's Award Winner
27- Northern Lights Regional (I believe) Chairman's Award Winner

I don't know how this affects your numbers, I just thought that I would throw this information out there.

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2486- 2014 Arizona Chairmens and 2014 Arizona Regional Winners
2403- 2014 Arizona Engineering Inspiration and 2014 Arizona Regional Winners

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1305 added one with a North Bay RCA and a Waterloo EI.

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Yep, that's all correct.

217's berth into MSC will be determined this weekend.
27 is guaranteed a spot, and 910 has some pretty good chances.

Best case scenario, all three of these teams take two spots to worlds. Most likely? 217 and 910 each take one, and 27 takes two, either by district points or with an award.

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Crossroads Regional:
1108 Regional Win and RCA. 4 teams on the winning alliance
5188 Regional Win and Rookie All Star.

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So far there are 239 signed up as per the FIRST website.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....2014&event=cmp


I am not sure if correct but don't qualifying teams have to sign up by the Wednesday after qualifying?

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1310-GTRW Winners and EI.

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Teams that qualify must contact the FIRST finance department by the Tuesday following their event at 5PM EST else they will not be able to attend Championships.

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4930 won Rookie All Star at Buckeye and the Finger Lakes Regionals.

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Here's a list of teams that won Rookie AS, EI, or Chairmans at 2 events. Some of these are district teams, but it would be a good starting point for someone else to dig into further. It's also possible that instead of chairmans, one of these teams won 2 normal awards, due to the way I'm keeping track.

75 78 203 340 365 548 781 1023 1319 1511 1676 1817 2046 2175 2337 2522 2648 2771 2974 3250 3467 4057 4125 4911 4930

Here's a list of teams that won a regional and won Rookie AS, EI, or Chairmans. It does not take into account the order the teams won them, so some may generate wildcards, rather then take up championship slots. Again some of them are district teams, and may include 2 other awards, rather then Chairmans.

33 68 75 78 399 503 836 1023 1108 1310 1318 1718 1817 1986 2046 2175 2337 2471 2486 2502 2522 2590 2614 2903 3238 3284 3313 3360 3467 3602 3667 3794 3824 3937 4060 4125 4488 4911 4915 4956 4967 4988 5129

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Your forgot 5188:

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We provided a 2nd wildcard slot after winning Hawaii this past weekend.

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2468 - Hub City Winners and Chairmans

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Thanks. My method didn't account for backup teams or teams replaced by backups, but they were already accounted for elsewhere.

Thanks. My method didn't accommodate someone who won Chairmans and another award at the same event. Congratulations for being too good for my algorithm.

Here's a more comprehensive list, subject to the same caveats as previous.

33 68 75 78 399 503 558 624 836 1023 1108 1310 1318 1718 1817 1983 1986 2046 2175 2337 2403 2468 2471 2486 2502 2522 2590 2614 2903 2996 3238 3284 3313 3360 3467 3602 3667 3794 3824 3937 4060 4125 4488 4911 4914 4915 4956 4967 4988 5129 5188

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Any inclination when waitlist spots will be released??

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Following District Championships

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4914 won RAS at their first event, then won the regional at their second, to they created a wildcard, and didn't take up 2 spots.

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One of the things that is incorrect is the count from NECMP. We have 24 allocated slots PLUS 6 slots for our legacy/hall of fame teams for a total of 30 spots from New England.

These six teams may have been accounted for somewhere else in your math but I wanted to point out they may be missing.

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False. If any of those teams get one of your 24 allocated spots, you effectively get one less spot for each HOF/Legacy team in those 24.

HOF/Legacy teams are counted separately to your district's allocated spots at CMP.

In that instance they will hold two spots, but they will not generate a wildcard for another team.

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1334 - Regional Chairman's Award at Waterloo

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Team 20's wildcard was used when they also won the Fingerlakes Regional.

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If at all. There may not be any waitlist spots at Championship this year due to increasing slots and acceptance rates.

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Meaning, that the 4th team takes one of those two spots.
Congratulations to everyone!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 27

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As per our district point model faq sheet, it says the 6 legacy teams are auto bids from HQ. It specifically says the 24 slots DO NOT include the additional 6. See below.

Finally, moving on to the FIRST Championship:

- 24 teams from New England will go on to the FIRST Championship. This count does not include our 6 Legacy and Hall of Fame teams (FRC 23, 126, 151, 175, 190, 236) who receive auto-bids through FIRST HQ.

- The 24 will allocate automatically as follows (and was discussed in part on Frank’s Blog):

4 Chairmans Award Winners

2 Engineering Inspiration Award Winners

2 Rookie All Star Award Winners

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The *allocated* spots do not include the additional 6, as in "24 spots are up for grabs". However, if a legacy team takes one of those 24 spots by winning the event / CA, the spot is not passed down.

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That's not the way I understood it and the way it was explained by NEFirst at our meetings before we went to the district model this year. This is all new for us so I guess we'll have to find out soon.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the specifics on the wildcard are a wildcard spot is only created when a team who wins a regional has previously qualified by winning a prior regional. I don't believe RAS, Chairmans, or EI pass on Wildcards should a team win one of these at a prior Regional and then win at another event.

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This is incorrect - wildcards are generated after a team has earned a qualifying spot at another regional. They do not need to have won the previous regional, only the current regional.

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I couldn't find this in the manual, but went back and re-read the Blog post. Thanks!

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If there are any waitlist spots open, how is it determined who gets the spot?

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Order on the waitlist. Registration was in the fall. Teams that didn't attend the 2013 Championship get priority, but otherwise it's first come, first serve.

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1266 won the San Diego Regional and then won Engineering Inspiration at Las Vegas this weekend.

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Congratulations!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 28

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I think an easier way to do this will be to wait until after Tuesday to see how many teams are officially registered. That should include everyone through all 6 weeks of competition. Then just add the total number of spots that can be generated through district champs and hope it falls below 400.

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772 won EI at North Bay then Chairman's this weekend at Windsor.

1241 won Chairman's at GTRW then EI this weekend at Windsor.

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That's not a bad idea... there are 98 total spots for districts:
FiM 32
MAR 18
NE 24
PNW 24

Given that, how many district-eligible teams have earned a spot at a regional? Per http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...80%93More-Info

After week 5 teams signed up, there were over 250 teams registered for champs (I don't remember the exact number, but I do remember we were on to 2 pages because we went over 250), which gives us an average of about 50 teams registering each week (ignoring pre-qualified teams that didn't earn a spot another way). If we hit that average again this week, we'll be over 300 teams registered. With 98 in districts, probably a few who have already qualified (thus taking two spots, regional and district), and some district teams not being able to make it, I'm going to guess that we'll only have a couple of spots open for waitlist teams at most - probably less than 5, almost certainly less than 10.

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I don't believe that is accurate. Wait lists for regionals/champs have never been based on the order you sign up in. At the regional level it's entirely up to the discretion of the RD. I assume for champs it's up to HQ to decide who they want.

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1732 won Wisconsin and won Chairman's at Midwest.

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Order of registration works as a tie-breaker.

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3 from Michigan; 27, 217, and 910.

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First just sent out an e-mail saying no waitlist spots would be available:

Greetings 2014 CMP Wait List Team:

Over the past 5 weeks of competition a high percentage of qualifying teams have accepted their invitations to attend the Championship event. Given this acceptance rate and the projected acceptance rates for weeks 6 and 7, we regret we will not be able to offer your team a spot at the Championship event.

For those of you who have completed your events for the season, we want to thank and congratulate you. We look forward to having you with us in 2015. For those of you competing in the remaining events, we wish you the best of luck in qualifying for the Championship!

Warm Regards,

FRC Team Support

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These aren't the same thing.

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LiveWire 3562 won Engineering Inspiration at Central Valley and Chairman's at Colorado this weekend.

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I was making the point they are cutting down the list so don't be surprised.

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I'm not surprised. They know that the teams at the bottom of the list aren't going to make it, so why bother having them wait any longer, more emails will start rolling Wednesday for sure.

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Since nobody has said it yet,

180 won both Orlando and South Florida Regionals.

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This is not quite what the thread was talking about. When SPAM won Orlando, SPAM was invited to Championships. When SPAM won SoFlo, Team #348 was invited through the wildcard system. So SPAM only has one spot. The OP was talking about teams such as 16, who are invited for being a HOF team, and for winning Arkansas. A wildcard was not generated for them, so their second spot will be given to a team on the Waitlist.

I believe there is a wildcard thread going on though, and if this has not been posted there, then that should be taken care of.

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We too have been "kicked" or removed the Championship waitlist

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Is there any way to tell if this has happened?

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Our main contact received an email this afternoon

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Adding to the three already mentioned from Michigan, 348 earned a wildcard this weekend at South Florida.

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Team 1629 GaCo won the Chesapeake Regional, as well as the Chairmans Award.

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4 MAR teams have earned a spot outside the district: 11 (Hawaii CA), 225 (DC Winner), 2016 (Queen City EI), and 2607 (Virginia Winner). 11 and 225 will be competing at the MAR DCMP, while 2016 and 2607 will not.

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Any idea what the updated number is?

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With the conclusion of the NE First Boston Championships today 24 teams managed to qualify for Globals in St.Loius. We won the Rookie All Star award there which lets us compete with the robot.

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MORT (11, Hawaii Chairman's) and Daisy (341, Hall of Fame) won MAR Champs.

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After week 6, there were 304 registered for the championship.

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Edit*

I was initally under the assumption that we would have actually taken three slots (Hawaii Chairman's, MAR points slot, and MAR Winner), but the points slot was actually ignored and given to a different team.

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I haven't quite figured out why or how yet, but for some reason, one of the Winner slots that either 341 or 11 earned by winning MAR Champs was transferred to become a Points slot instead.

EDIT: JScout does a good explaining of it here.

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I took the championship registration list this morning and added the championship qualified teams from the 4 district championships as noted on their webpages. It comes out to 340 total teams. As I understand it, if a team declines then they can be substituted (Jessica posted something to that affect), so the number should still be the same.

Please ignore this list and jump down 2 posts for the correct information

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You only show teams numbers up to 4930 qualifying. No rookies get to go haha? I think you only took the first page of 250 teams and forgot to click "next" to see the second page.

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<dope slap> that's what I get for multi-tasking- doing this on one computer while waiting for something to run on my other computer. I did notice that when I pasted them in and forgot to fix it, should have questioned it when the number didn't pass the sanity check. Here's the new list, total is 394 (6 open slots)

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Looks like the waitlist is being called, numbers changed from 395 to 397 in just a couple of minutes

Last weekend's qualified teams that didn't register:

56
716
2168
3588

Newly added

75
319
357
869
1294
2877
4176