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Cory 08-04-2014 11:53

Re: Silicon Valley Regional 2014
 
Props to Frank for making it right and acknowledging that a mistake was made. I wish he'd done the same for 233, but take what you can get, I guess.

It seems like there should be a better way for Frank to interact with the interested parties at an event when an issue comes up like this, instead of just talking to a volunteer or two and only hearing one side of the story.

scooty199 08-04-2014 12:10

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1371152)
Literally the post directly above yours is doing just that.

I would like to observe that 1323 handled this situation extremely graciously and did not "blast the head ref" in their posts. If your implication is that 1323 needs to apologize, I just don't see it. Both members simply reported the facts, didn't name names, and even apologized for spreading a rumor.

In no way whatsoever was my implication that 1323 needs to apologize. When they've responded well and reacted professionally, what would they need to apologize for?

I know they did not blast the head ref, I read this thread.

Akash Rastogi 08-04-2014 12:13

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1371125)
Sigh. I look like an idiot.

Decision was made by a very reasonable person, with incorrect information and/or incorrect understanding of the information.

Frank is awesome for taking the blame for all of this, and making it right how he sees fit.

I respect this a lot, as well as Frank's blog post.

+1 for both being good examples.

AlecMataloni 08-04-2014 12:29

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I'm just glad it was a miscommunication, instead of a deliberate move.

David Brinza 08-04-2014 12:31

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I jumped into the lynching early Sat evening with a post which included uncomplimentary remarks toward the head ref.

A post made shortly after mine indicated FIRST HQ was involved in the decision.

I immediately deleted my post, with apologies, because it was based on partial, third-party information. I learned a lesson: don't flame on CD, especially if you do not have first-hand knowledge of the issue.

Kudos to MadTown for not flaming on CD, even though they suffered through the experience.

Maybe we all can tone it down when reacting to judgment calls??

TKM.368 08-04-2014 12:41

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Didn't want to wade into the controversy before, but now that it's resolved, hooray for 1323! We'll be happy to see your awesome bot in St. Louis.

We're slowly going to be uploading the full field videos we have of the regional if anyone is interested. Over the next few days, they'll be up at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...kDeX99SJ-r-8Zo.

Jared Russell 08-04-2014 14:04

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Now that the dark cloud has given way to sunshine, I wanted to give a shout out to a bunch of amazing teams at SVR.

368: Your robot is easily one of my favorites this year. It is the best-driven swerve drive that I have ever seen, and every aspect of your machine is elegant in its simplicity and effectiveness.

1678: You are an assist machine. 254 prides ourselves in helping our partners maximize their contributions to each match, but you beat us at our own game. I wish F2 would have gone down differently, but I'm glad you'll be at St. Louis and you'll be a powerhouse no matter who else is on the field with you.

846, 2135, 670: You guys played really well as a team, especially in SF1-2. It is hard to adapt to a last second substitution, and I was thoroughly impressed by how close you kept it. 2135, it has been a pleasure to watch your team improve from the quals at CVR through the playoffs, and then through SVR.

971: Needs moar control loops. Glad we got the hot goal detector working :)

kghaemi96 09-04-2014 01:13

Re: Silicon Valley Regional 2014
 
All I want to say is this.

In any sports event or any competition at all, there are bad calls made. Many times whoever makes the call tries to ignore it or cover it up. Very few however are willing to stand up and admit to their own mistakes and make things right. Frank did just that. I respect him and any others that were a part of that decision for giving 1323 a chance to continue on.

Much more respect gained for FIRST as a whole (on top of the already overflowing amounts).

P.S. Congrats to EVERYONE that competed at SVR I really enjoyed watching the live stream last weekend!

Citrus Dad 09-04-2014 13:13

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Originally Posted by Citrus Dad (Post 1370645)
Many rules this year have been left open to interpretation--there's no way to dispute that. It sounded like ALL of the involved parties had worked out an agreeable solution before it was overturned. Slippery slopes arise when there's no obvious stopping point. In this case, the situation is clear--1323 was not changing their minds, and all of the other teams knew that they were working on their robot. 1323 made a mistake--an easy one given FRC's paper system--and moved to reverse it as soon as they were aware of it. If someone interpreted this as a potential slippery slope, then we need to have a conversation about what occurred and what are the actual opportunities to exploit that type of situation. This wasn't one of them.

As I've said, the timeout system is easy to fix so this doesn't happen again.

I'm quite happy with the solution that FIRST came up with here. Hurrah to recognizing the need for fairness and providing a reasonable solution to prevent this from happening again. Thank you FIRST.

Steven670 09-04-2014 17:15

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Originally Posted by AlecS (Post 1370096)
Team 670, I am sorry you were placed into this situation. I know it must have been more confusing for you than it was for us as to what was going on. Thank you for being so polite about what happened. One of your mentors brought RC, our drive team and myself waters as we were in tears after the match. This was a true example of gp.

I'll just chime in here with a big thanks to 1323 for handling this sad situation as well as they could and welcoming us into their alliance. From our point of view this whole affair was total chaos -- this was the first time we have been called up as a replacement robot, and it took us a while to get our drive team out of the stands and the robot onto the field. Information to us as to what was going on was surprisingly hard to come by.
I'm glad we were able to contribute the maximum possible autonomous points, which is the one thing our robot was pretty good at. After that -- well the first alliance was a tough one to beat, and the last minute substitution made it that much harder. It's good to see FIRST come clean that a mistake was made and that 1323 has earned a wildcard spot.

TKM.368 14-04-2014 02:27

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Originally Posted by TKM.368 (Post 1371201)
We're slowly going to be uploading the full field videos we have of the regional if anyone is interested. Over the next few days, they'll be up at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...kDeX99SJ-r-8Zo.

Full field videos up to 1080p are now uploaded. Sorry for those in Match 77.

kevincrispie 14-04-2014 03:24

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Originally Posted by TKM.368 (Post 1373447)
Full field videos up to 1080p are now uploaded. Sorry for those in Match 77.

Awesome! Thank you for posting these.


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