Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Hello, I have a question about the starting configuration in the goalie zone.
Are we allowed to start with an arm that is about 8 ft high at the start of the match? Can you cite the rule please?
Thanks!:)

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Just for a little exercise, can you cite a rule saying you CAN'T start 8' tall in the goalie zone?

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

HINT #1
Here is part of the answer:

3.2.5.6 G23
If a ROBOT is in contact with carpet in its GOALIE ZONE, and for only one ROBOT per ALLIANCE at a time, ......

But don't just look at the one place in the rules. Remember many places in the rules cover the robot and what can and can't be done.

Hint #2
There is another part of the rules that mentions "STARTING CONFIGURATION"

Happy Hunting.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

There is nothing in the rules that gives a maximum height for the starting configuration. We talked about this at OKC and allowed a robot starting in the goalie zone to have an unlimited height. We had Frank Merick there too, so I'm guessing if that wasn't allowed, he would have said something.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Hint #2

4.1.4 R4
In the STARTING CONFIGURATION, the ROBOT must constrain itself such that no part of the ROBOT extends
outside the vertical projection of the FRAME PERIMETER, with the exception of minor protrusions such as bolt heads,
fastener ends, rivets, etc.

Nowhere does it state a horizontal limit.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

I went back and re-read the rules and the glossary for STARTING CONFIGURATION and I think your interpretation at OKC was correct. I didn't catch that one.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

I'm guessing you meant to say vertical instead of horizontal.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

It states the horizontal limit right there. "no part of the robot extends outside the vertical projection of the frame perimeter." That means the imaginary vertical wall that is 20" from your frame. There is no rule however stating that vertical height limits are any different in starting configuration than they are during tele-op.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

The frame perimeter is the imaginary vertical plane defined by the outside face of the frame.

The 20" distance you mentioned has to do with the restriction during the match, not the starting configuration.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

You do know there is a ceiling? Would that be considered contact outside of the field? :)

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

You can extend as high as you want, as shown by our static 8 ft robot ;) . But the biggest problems we came into were doors and loading onto the field.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Whoops, I didn't mean to put in the 20", I was just referring to frame perimeter limits.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Looks like you can have an 8' robot. Just be careful to always be in contact with the goalie zone.

In theory an opponent can push you out of the goalie zone. I would not call that a G14 violation because the purpose of pushing you out is to get you to drop to 5' to make their shots easier. Just because your robot is incapable of dropping below 5' is not their problem.

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

Another question as per the rules, can a Goalie robot be pre-placed anywhere in the goalie zone or does it need to start centered and move itself to defend the goal after autonomous starts?

Re: Starting configuration in the Goalie Zone
 

It may be placed anywhere, but you have to declare a final position, after which offensive (non-goalie zone) bots get to pick positions.