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Hallry

08-04-2014 16:33

Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

Posted on the FRC Manual site, 4/8/14: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/Updates/0#term 181

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Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-04-08

Game Manual
5.5.6 TIMEOUT and BACKUP TEAM Rules
T17

If an ALLIANCE wishes to call a TIMEOUT, they must submit their TIMEOUT coupon to the Head Referee within two (2) minutes of the ARENA reset signal preceding their MATCH.

Once a TIMEOUT coupon is submitted and accepted by the Head Referee, the TIMEOUT coupon may not be withdrawn by the ALLIANCE.

T20

If during a TIMEOUT an ALLIANCE CAPTAIN determines that they need to call up a BACKUP TEAM, they must submit their BACKUP ~~TEAM~~ coupon to the Head Referee while there are still at least two (2) minutes remaining on the ARENA Timer. After that point, they will not be allowed to utilize the BACKUP TEAM.

Alternatively, an ALLIANCE CAPTAIN may choose to call up a BACKUP TEAM without using their TIMEOUT by informing the Head Referee, through the use of the BACKUP coupon, directly within two (2) minutes of the Head Referee issuing the ARENA reset signal preceding their MATCH.

The ALLIANCE CAPTAIN must indicate on the BACKUP coupon which TEAM’S ROBOT will no longer be participating in MATCHES and initial the BACKUP coupon before it will be accepted by the Head Referee.

In the case where the ALLIANCE CAPTAIN’S ROBOT is replaced by a BACKUP TEAM, the ALLIANCE CAPTAIN is allowed in the ALLIANCE STATION as a thirteenth ALLIANCE member so they can serve in an advisory role to their ALLIANCE.

Once a BACKUP coupon is submitted and accepted by the Head Referee, the BACKUP coupon may not be withdrawn by the ALLIANCE.

jamierose

08-04-2014 19:04

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

Requiring a signature and a written team number for the backup coupon is a good way to make sure that the alliance knows what they're getting into.

Thanks for the quick fix, GDC (assuming anyone on the GDC involved in this change gets a chance to read this)!

Max Boord

08-04-2014 19:11

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

Props for the quick fix. Its nice to see such a disaster at a regional both be corrected for the team involved and an update preventing it from happening in the future all in less than 3 days.

Mike Schreiber

08-04-2014 20:38

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

So does this mean if you submit your timeout coupon not realizing their is a field timeout you are out of luck? Or is the head ref not supposed to accept it?

Mr. B

08-04-2014 20:41

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

I am not sure I fully understand the timing of when the timeout can be called.
Can someone run through the following 2 cases
1) quarterfinals robot breaks down in match 1 --How long can a team wait before calling the timeout
2) Robot breaks down in match 2 --how long can a team wait to call timeout
Thanks:confused:

engunneer

08-04-2014 20:50

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

Section 5.5.6 has the best description and a graphic. The backup coupon is valid until 2 minutes before the match is supposed to start. T17 through T21 give the full details.

RufflesRidge

08-04-2014 20:55

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by Mr. B (Post 1371428)

In every case it's 2 min after the lights go green after the end of the match before the one you are supposed to play in. Examples:

1. You play in Quarterfinal 1-1 and a robot breaks. a few matches go by, Quarterfinal 4-1 ends and the lights go green to reset the field. You now have 2 min. to turn in your timeout card to the Head Ref.

2. You play in Quarterfinal 3-2 (intentionally different example from example 1). A robot breaks. Quarterfinal 4-2 ends and the three other Quarterfinals were decided in 2 matches so your match (QF3-3) is up next. You have 2 min. from the the green lights coming on after QF4-2 ended.

Does that help?

Figure 5-3 of the manual shows the various timelines with the Y-axis line being the time the lights go green after the match preceding the one you are in (in some cases, "the match preceding" is also a match you played in such as in Finals).

Gregor

08-04-2014 22:06

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by Mike Schreiber (Post 1371427)

So does this mean if you submit your timeout coupon not realizing their is a field timeout you are out of luck? Or is the head ref not supposed to accept it?

You're allowed to submit your timeout coupon during a field timeout, as per T18.

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T18
There are no cascading TIMEOUTS. If an ALLIANCE calls a TIMEOUT during a FIELD TIMEOUT, the FIELD TIMEOUT will immediately expire and the ALLIANCE’S TIMEOUT will begin.

billbo911

08-04-2014 22:37

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

May we please officially refer to this as the "Madtown Modification"?

Mr. B

09-04-2014 19:02

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

Thanks for the great explanations--We could not agree on how the rules read, but it makes sense now

AdamHeard

09-04-2014 19:08

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1371480)

You're allowed to submit your timeout coupon during a field timeout, as per T18.

It seems like most head refs are courteous enough to inform you that they will only accept it at the "last second" to maximize the time given to you.

This has been our experience at least.

Aren Siekmeier

09-04-2014 19:30

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1371480)

You're allowed to submit your timeout coupon during a field timeout, as per T18.

In fact you are required to. In all cases, you must submit the timeout coupon within 2 minutes of the Arena Reset signal, whether those 2 minutes are field timeout or normal reset or whatever. cf. T18 Blue Box

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Originally Posted by T18 Blue Box

If an ALLIANCE wishes to call a TIMEOUT during a FIELD TIMEOUT, it must still do so within two (2) minutes of the ARENA reset signal preceding their MATCH, per Rule T17.

AlexD744

09-04-2014 22:45

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1371844)

It seems like most head refs are courteous enough to inform you that they will only accept it at the "last second" to maximize the time given to you.

This has been our experience at least.

In at least one event, we were told that even if you gave it early, they would wait until the two minutes was up and then start your 6 minute time. Not sure if this is consistent across FRC, but would be great if it was so that way the student isn't concerned about being too early, and potentially missing the window.

engunneer

09-04-2014 22:54

Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE 2014-04-08

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Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 1371967)

Per the rules, any existing time delay (field reset or field timeout, etc) immediately ends, and the 6 minute team timeout begins. It behooves the student to let the ref know the timeout is coming and stand next to the ref to hand it over at the right moment, though I think most refs will give you the maximum possible legal time, I wouldn't count on it.

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