2014 Chairman's Submission Stats
 

Hi all,

I was interested in seeing this data as well, so I took Karthik's reccomendation and made a Google Doc for us to crowdsource interesting data about 2014 regional/district submissions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

I have already placed each regional and district. If you have accurate information on a regional or district, please fill in:

• The number of teams that attended the event
• The number of teams that submitted for Chairman's Award at the event
• The winner for Chairman's at the event
• The number of submissions that team made in 2014 before winning, including the current one (ex. All week 1 winners made 1 submission. Teams who won on their 2nd try made 2 submissions).

Most of this data is freely available on TBA, the main unknowns are # of teams submitting at each event, and the number of submissions each winner did. So if you or anyone you know knows that information, it would be awesome.

EDIT: Fixed the permissions, sorry!

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I know that this year we had 3 teams who won the Chairman's Award present at the Virginia Regional, and all won on their second submission. 1086, 1629, and 422. 422 had submitted at Alamo, while 1086 submitted at VA and won at Queen City and Chesapeake respectively.

I'll see if I can get through a mutual contact with the RD for the number of teams submitting, but I guess it had to be around 20. For now, I'll just add this to my list of "statistics that FRC could easily provide for interesting edification of its teams." :/

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I'll update most (or all) of the winners/amount of regionals attended before the win, not sure about the submitting counts though.

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Obviously all week one attendees were at their first regional, so I will just skip to week two.

Week Two

781- 1st Event
1939- 1st Event
1939- 1st Event
3476- 1st Event
1108- 1st Event
1816- 1st Event
27- 1st Event
1671- 1st Event
2468- 2nd Event

Week Three

3158- 1st Event
1477- 1st Event
340- 1st Event
2642- 1st Event
3528- 1st Event
4013- 1st Event
2996- 1st Event
3256- 2nd Event
3284- 2nd Event

Week Four

1334- 1st Event
2486- 1st Event
2576- 1st Event
217- 1st Event
3386- 2nd Event
2655- 2nd Event
422- 2nd Event
1714- 2nd Event

Week Five

1885- 1st Event
11- 1st Event
1710- 1st Event
3313- 2nd Event
2169- 2nd Event
527- 2nd Event
1511- 2nd Event
1086- 2nd Event
2974- 2nd Event
1305- 2nd Event
771- 2nd Event
2614- 2nd Event

Week Six

4334- 2nd Event
604- 2nd Event
3562- 2nd Event
3354- 2nd Event
1732- 2nd Event
2080- 2nd Event
1629- 2nd Event
1515- 2nd Event
772- 3rd Event
353- 2nd Event
3847- 2nd Event

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11 did win it at their first regional, but they competed at two districts earlier in the season.

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District teams have to choose whether they are doing Chairman's in or out of Districts iff I understand the rulebook correctly -- they didn't present at any Districts if they won it at a regional.

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As far as I know, there is no rule that a district team must choose to present exclusively at either districts or regionals, only that they can't present at any event after they've already won it.

That being said, 11 did not present chairman's at either of our district events this year.

Re: 2014 Chairman's Submission Stats
 

Yep, definitely misunderstood the rule. I was looking up how it was handled in a number of years past this year so that's what I may have been thinking of.

My bad! (God I can't wait until we're all in districts)

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I could have swore that on FRC Gamesense, Jim Zondag said that 27 submitted Chairman's at the Minnesota regional they went to and that didnt allow them to submit Chairman's in district. If I am misremembering him I am sorry.

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27 won at the regional and was therefore ineligible to present at future events in general, including districts or any other regionals they went to. Had they not won at the regional, I'm pretty sure they could still submit in districts afterwards until they did win.

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Oh ok. I didnt know they had won.

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They also did not submit it in MAR.

Source: MORT = NUTRONs Beta

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We don't even have half of the slots filled in for submitter estimates, but one thing I'm finding CRAZY is that noone has a number or estimate above 20 except for the WI regional which had 40,

(proof https://twitter.com/EvanHochstein/st...324032/photo/1)

Though, I remember one year WI had 25 submitters when you could only pick one regional, so...'

I also want to thank everyone that has contributed information so far.

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I am curious, has anyone compiled data of the teams who submitted at multiple events and have won Chairmans in the past? I am curious to see if submitting at multiple regionals made a difference... Like if they won this year at the same event they won last year?

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The following teams currently hold at least a 2 year RCA win streak.

Kell Robotics, 1311 won at Palmetto (event 1/2) this year, and won at Smokey Mountains last year. They had not won RCA at Palmetto until this year in their 6 years of RCA.

The Y Team, 3211, won at Israel (event 1/1) this year and in 2013.

Kinetic Knights, 781, won at Greater Toronto East (event 1/3) this year and in 2013.

Rush, 27, won at Northern Lights (event 1/4). Traditionally, they win RCA and DCA within Michigan, where they won in 2013. They also competed in District Events this year, but Northern Lights occurred before this.

Team Appreciate, 2468, won at Hub City (event 2/3) this year and in 2013.

Cougars Gone Wired, 2996, won at Utah (event 1/2) this year, and at Colorado in 2013. They also won their other RCA at Colorado in 2011.

CocoNuts, 2486, won at Arizona (event 1/2) this year, and has won all previous RCAs at the Arizona Regional.

ILITE Robotics, 1885, won at Greater DC (event 1/2) this year and in 2013. Their other RCA was at Virginia in 2012. They have pretty consistently attended the DC and Virginia Regionals in the past.

Walton Robotics, 2974, won at Peachtree (event 2/2) this year and in 2013. They have attended Peachtree every year in their team history.

Blue Cheese, 1086, won at Queen City (event 2/2) this year and at North Carolina in 2013. All of their other RCA's are from Virginia, which was their first regional of 2014.

Ravonics Revolution, 1710, won at Oklahoma (event 1/1) this year and at Kansas City in 2013.

Ice Cubed, 1305, won at North Bay (event 2/3) this year and at Waterloo in 2013. All their previous RCA's came from Waterloo, which was their first regional of 2014.

SWAT, 771, won at Greater Pittsburgh (event 2/2) this year and at Greater Toronto West in 2013. Their other RCA's have come from Greater Toronto.

Quixilver, 604, won at Silicon Valley (event 2/2) this year, in 2013, and 2012. The remainder of their RCA's came from Sacramento or Silicon Valley.

TecDroid, 3354, won at South Florida (event 2/2) this year and at Western Canadian in 2013.

Torbotics, 2080, won at Bayou (event 2/2) this year and at Razorback in 2013. They have attended the Bayou Regional every year in their team history, but only attended Razorback the one year in 2013.

MorTorq, 1515, won at Las Vegas (event 2/2) this year and at Los Angeles in 2013, where they also won in 2010. They attended Los Angeles this year as their first regional.

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WOW thank you so much for putting it together!! :)

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Alright all,

Thanks for your contributions so far. We've now filled out all the "easy" data (# of teams, winner) and half the "hard" data (how many submissions each winner made).

We are still missing most of the data on how many teams at each event submitted for Chairman's. If you or anyone you know might know the number for your event, please point them to the spreadsheet. At this point, even an estimate helps. I will go through and shade the estimate cells a different color ("Light Yellow 3" on Google Docs) to show they are estimates.

We also have zero data or estimates on submitter numbers at any district event. If anyone knows any of that data, please fill it in!

I also added a new column (2014 Regional/District Events for Winner). This is another "easy" column that can be found. I assume that most RCA teams (and all DCA teams?) are multiple-event teams, but I thought it would be interesting to see actual numbers on it. This inculdes ALL R/D events the team attended, not just up to winning the RCA/DCA.

Thanks!

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We wrote up a quick survey and sent it out to all the RDs (well all of them that had contact information on the FIRST website.)

So far only two have responded. Frank has approved this, so hopefully we will get more feedback soon.

The data can be viewed here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgvyTH6hACHhdDhGN25WbV93bENYU25NUUtwcXBKN FE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

If we missed a Regional Director and you want the form link, PM me and I can send it to you.

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Awesome!

Do you mind if I transfer (some of) the columns that I don;t already have to the sheet in the OP?

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Sure take what ever you can find useful. We're just trying to get more information so we can see how well this new system is working.

Also we didn't send it out to the districts because we didn't have contacts for all of them. If anyone wants to take on getting the form out to people running the districts please PM me.

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For anyone not following inside the spreadsheet, he have some interesting info so far:

Regionals - 54 Events/Winners

The average RCA winner made 1.54 submissions:

• 26 teams won on their 1st submission
• 27 teams won on their 2nd submission
• 1 team won on their 3rd submission

The average RCA winner went to 2.15 total events:

• 5 winners went to 1 event
• 37 winners went to 2 events
• 11 winners went to 3 events
• 1 winner went to 4 events (all 4 were regionals, no districts!)

FIM - 15 Events/Winners

The average FIM DCA winner made 1.73 submissions:

• 6 teams won on their 1st submission
• 7 teams won on their 2nd submission
• 2 teams won on their 3rd submission

The average FIM DCA winner went to 2.6 total events:

• 6 winners went to 2 events
• 9 winners went to 3 events

MAR - 6 Events/Winners

The average MAR DCA winner made 1.5 submissions:

• 3 teams won on their 1st submission
• 3 teams won on their 2nd submission

The average MAR DCA winner went to 2.67 total events:

• 3 winners went to 2 events
• 2 winners went to 3 events
• 1 winner went to 4 events

NEFIRST - 9 Events/Winners

The average NEFIRST DCA winner made 2 submissions:

• 3 teams won on their 1st submission
• 4 teams won on their 2nd submission
• 1 team won on their 3rd submission
• 1 team won on their 4th submission

The average NEFIRST DCA winner went to 2.56 total events:

• 5 winners went to 2 events
• 3 winners went to 3 events
• 1 winner went to 4 events

PNW - 10 Events/Winners

The average PNW DCA winner made 1.7 submissions:

• 5 teams won on their 1st submission
• 3 teams won on their 2nd submission
• 2 teams won on their 3rd submission

The average PNW DCA winner went to 2.5 total events:

• 5 winners went to 2 events
• 5 winners went to 3 events

I've also added a new column to capture the number of eligible (non-rookie) teams at an event which would let us have a submission percentage - I haven't added it to any of the district sheets yet because noone has added any submission counts.

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Now that DCMP weekend is over, I'm shamelessly bumping to see if we can get any more info on submitter numbers from those regions :)

I also made a separate sheet for DCMP CA winners so that people wouldnt put those events into the district sheets.

So far I am interested to see that submission rates range all the way from just under 17% to just under 70%. I haven't run any specific analysis but I don't seem to spot a large trend in low-rate vs high-rate areas either.

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Would anyone who has been compiling the data be able to say what the average age of the winning teams are?

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I added the column to start filling in for mean and median but from what I can tell here are some easy extreme highlights.

Oldest teams to win: 33, 78 (Rookie Year, 1996)
Youngest teams to win: 4013, 4334 (Rookie Year, 2012)
Oldest first time winner: 422 (Rookie Year, 2000)
Youngest first-time winner: 4013
Top 3 Highest % RCA wins/Years of Eligibility: 2486 (founded in 2008, winning 5 of 6 years eligible), 1108 (founded in 2003, winning 8 of 11 years eligible), 2169 (founded in 2007, winning 5 of 7 years eligible)

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I filled in the age column for regionals using Age = 1 for rookie. I determined a teams age from their earliest year on TBA which pulls from the FIRST site.

This ends up with an anomaly for a few teams but it is the fairest and least labor-intensive solution I can come up with for "this team didn't register 1 year" vs "this team went away for 4 years" vs "this team merged" vs "this team reclaimed their schools old number" vs any other special-snowflake case.

The average age for a RCA winner is 9.31 and the median age is 9.

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Average Rookie Year:
Week 1 2004.33333333333
Week 2 2004.75
Week 3 2008.22222222222
Week 4 2005.375
Week 5 2004.83333333333
Week 6 2006.36363636364
Week 7 2002.5
Overall 2005.19678932179

Something interesting to note: The average rookie year of teams to win Chairman's at the Michigan Championship this year is 1998 compared to the overall average rookie year of 2005!

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I'm digging the statistical analysis.

Have you heard from the Skunks yet? If not, that can be arranged.

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I mean, we have down that you guys won ;)

The real sticker at this point is gathering the number of submitters at each event. This is the real interesting number because as of now, there is no way to find out from official data feeds - someone at or involved with the event would have to know and report the number.

We have just over half the regionals listed with submitter numbers and just under half those numbers are labeled as estimates.

We currently have no submitter numbers from any district events, so if you guys have any input on that, it would be great.

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The survey would be more effective if it was sent to the Judge Advisors instead of the Regional Directors. Since JA information is not readily available for an event, you could send it to the RD and ask them to forward to the JA.

Trying to get more info for IE regional for you.

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125 won at Pine Tree for the first time in their history. Unless you are only counting RCA/DCA winners.

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On the spreadsheet, you have down that the number of events listed for each team. Is this number used for calculations in the sheet? If so, some of the data will be incorrect. For instance, 624 won at Alamo the 1st week and did not present again for their two remaining tournaments. 2468 presented at Alamo and Hub City. We won at Hub City but did not present at Bayou.

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There are separate columns for 2014 R/D events attended ("2014 Events") and 2014 RCA/DCA submissions made ("2014 Submissions"). For example, you guys have a 2 in the Submissions column and 3 in the Events column. 624 has 1 in the submissions column and 3 in the events column.

Both are interesting numbers because you can relate winners to how many events they do per year and how many submissions they made separately.

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It's not exactly by event... but here in MN 40/186 teams submitted for Chairman's this year - you can see it on the MN State Rankings page: http://mnfirst.org/docs/2014/MSHSL_2014_rev2.pdf

I'm really curious what the overall % of teams submitting for chairman's is across FIRST...

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Got it. I should pay closer attention to speadsheet.

Very interesting data. I tried to get as much data on Alamo and Hub City as I could (still trying to get more).

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No problem. Thanks for the additional info.

I added the "please don't edit non-green cells" stuff only because people kept going in and adding DCMP or CMP to their "regional/district events attended" or submission count, etc. and most of the white cells are values straight from TBA.

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I was. I don't really know how to classify DCA/RCA/DCCA apart from each other besides maybe evening out RCA and DCCA at the same level. I think a number of things change when you add in DCAs with RCA/DCCAs with these kinds of numbers. Would you then adjust the rate of Chairman's Awards per year since teams now in a district system have the chance to win it twice?

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They are clearly different paths of award progression now. RCA and DCA candidates both get to iterate their submissions now, but DCCA is still a one-shot thing (for multiple slots) like Regionals used to be. However, if our currently sparse Michigan numbers are any indication (which I am not saying they are, but it's all I have to go on) some Districts have very sparse fields of submissions (2/26 and 4/30 :ahh: ).

The idea behind collecting these stats was mainly to see how the new multiple-submission rules affected the RCA/DCA wins.