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Basel A 16-04-2014 15:21

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Threw together a quick PDF of divisional team oprs. Archimedes does look the weakest. Newton probably the strongest at the top end, with Galileo the deepest.

jlmcmchl 16-04-2014 15:35

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Did a graph for each division based on Team's OPR. Uses Ed Law's OPR Data.

Archimedes & Curie
Galileo & Newton

Link to excel sheet: World OPR By Division

tstew 16-04-2014 18:40

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All of the divisions on one graph:

JVN 16-04-2014 18:58

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Can you do this same OPR graph for the top 32 teams in each division?

Aren_Hill 16-04-2014 19:02

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 1374972)
All of the divisions on one graph:

Hey Timothy....whats the X-axis....

plnyyanks 16-04-2014 20:18

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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1374989)
Hey Timothy....whats the X-axis....

Always label your axes, it could make a huge difference...


thatismytruck 16-04-2014 20:21

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Curious about the x axis also; and I would like to know what OPR is.


I hate acronyms. I never recall what they are.

plnyyanks 16-04-2014 20:23

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Originally Posted by thatismytruck (Post 1375052)
and I would like to know what OPR is.

Offensive Power Rating

And the maths

thatismytruck 16-04-2014 20:31

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Thank you!

If I read you right OPR focuses on scoring when the main point is to assist. How do you factor in all the assists and the last team scoring the goal?

If I missed something I apologize.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 20:35

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Originally Posted by thatismytruck (Post 1375061)
Thank you!

If I read you right OPR focuses on scoring when the main point is to assist. How do you factor in all the assists and the last team scoring the goal?

If I missed something I apologize.

OPR is basically a measure of how much a team is likely to contribute to an alliance's score as a whole. This accounts for all ways of scoring, including assist, truss, catch, and scoring. It does not differentiate between ways of getting points, so you could have two robots, each with an OPR of 100, but maybe one racks up a 100 assist points in a match, while another trusses and then scores a 100 points.

Chris is me 16-04-2014 20:44

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1375064)
This accounts for all ways of scoring, including assist, truss, catch, and scoring.

I think it would be more accurate to say that OPR accounts for *no* way of scoring. OPR only compares total points scored to the teams in the match. OPR can't be used this year to accurately approximate the actual number of points scored by a robot in a match, due to the inseparable nature of this game and cooperative scoring. Whether or not it's a useful approximation of match contribution is the subject of much debate :)

thatismytruck 16-04-2014 20:53

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1375070)
I think it would be more accurate to say that OPR accounts for *no* way of scoring. OPR only compares total points scored to the teams in the match. OPR can't be used this year to accurately approximate the actual number of points scored by a robot in a match, due to the inseparable nature of this game and cooperative scoring. Whether or not it's a useful approximation of match contribution is the subject of much debate :)

This is what threw me when looking at the equations for OPR. It seemed to me the game is too integrated to get a number for each team.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 21:04

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Originally Posted by thatismytruck (Post 1375075)
This is what threw me when looking at the equations for OPR. It seemed to me the game is too integrated to get a number for each team.

Right, technically you aren't getting any numbers on the team, so it literally does not account for anything the team actually does because it is a projected statistic based off of the alliance score. So you could very well have a team who had favorable alliance partners all throughout qualifications, which results in an inflated OPR. This actually happens more often than you may think.

thatismytruck 16-04-2014 21:34

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1375078)
Right, technically you aren't getting any numbers on the team, so it literally does not account for anything the team actually does because it is a projected statistic based off of the alliance score. So you could very well have a team who had favorable alliance partners all throughout qualifications, which results in an inflated OPR. This actually happens more often than you may think.

Having watched a bunch, it happens a LOT! Which is why I believe OPR (having just tonight been exposed to it) is not a great way to sort the teams this year. I'm not sure my preferred way to rank is better, but I would rank by assist points.

tstew 16-04-2014 22:20

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Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1374987)
Can you do this same OPR graph for the top 32 teams in each division?


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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1374989)
Hey Timothy....whats the X-axis....

It's the team's rank based on opr. I updated the graph.


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