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Joe Ross 09-04-2014 16:47
When will Divisions be released?
 
Every year, people ask when will Divisions be released? FIRST typically doesn't provide advance notice. Here's when they have been released in the past.

In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)

In 2011, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (6 days after the end of the last regionals)

In 2012 and 2013, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).

Jon Stratis 09-04-2014 16:48
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/

Thad House 09-04-2014 16:51
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1371788)
Do they keep that out year round? I've never actually looked at that site other then right before champs. But it's pretty awesome to have.

dodar 09-04-2014 16:51
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I wish TBA had their old page up where you could "look at divisions" using a couple different algorithms. It always made thinking about possible divisions so fun because it actually showed what a possible division's "power" could be.

EDesbiens 09-04-2014 21:58
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1371788)
Wow! Best site ever! But still... Do you guys know if there is a king of algoritm to make the divisions or if it's only a giant randomiser with all the teams in it?

dodar 09-04-2014 22:06
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1371937)
Wow! Best site ever! But still... Do you guys know if there is a king of algoritm to make the divisions or if it's only a giant randomiser with all the teams in it?
Some algorithm is used, but no one has ever figured it out. Most believe that they use different algorithms each year.

cadandcookies 09-04-2014 22:13
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1371938)
Some algorithm is used, but no one has ever figured it out. Most believe that they use different algorithms each year.
Whatever it is, somehow it's put the winners in Galileo more often than not.

JohnSchneider 09-04-2014 22:14
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1371941)
Whatever it is, somehow it's always put the winners in Galileo more often than not.
Even when it's not the strongest division

Abhishek R 09-04-2014 22:14
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1371941)
Whatever it is, somehow it's always put the winners in Galileo more often than not.
And never in Curie.

DampRobot 09-04-2014 22:15
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1371941)
Whatever it is, somehow it's always put the winners in Galileo more often than not.
And kept the Curie Curse alive.

dodar 09-04-2014 22:15
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1371944)
And never in Curie.
Its either Newton or Galileo. Archimedes gets a gift every leap year. And Curie...well no one cares.

engunneer 09-04-2014 22:17
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
At least when they were in Atlanta, I had heard that they pick the two strongest/best divisions for Galileo and Archimedes (IIRC) because those were the two fields facing the VIP area. The algorithm for determining "strongest/best" is unknown to me.

cadandcookies 09-04-2014 22:19
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1371949)
At least when they were in Atlanta, I had heard that they pick the two strongest/best divisions for Galileo and Archimedes (IIRC) because those were the two fields facing the VIP area..
Source?

dodar 09-04-2014 22:21
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1371949)
At least when they were in Atlanta, I had heard that they pick the two strongest/best divisions for Galileo and Archimedes (IIRC) because those were the two fields facing the VIP area. The algorithm for determining "strongest/best" is unknown to me.
How could they both be in front of the VIP area if they are in opposite corners?

PayneTrain 09-04-2014 22:22
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
If I recall correctly, back in ye olden days the divisions were set by a count off of 1, 2, 3, 4 from Team 1 all the way down until everyone figured it out.

dodar 09-04-2014 22:24
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1371953)
If I recall correctly, back in ye olden days the divisions were set by a count off of 1, 2, 3, 4 from Team 1 all the way down until everyone figured it out.
That must have been way before 2007 then. Its been some weird algorithm since Ive been a part of FIRST.

engunneer 09-04-2014 22:39
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1371951)
Source?
"Had Heard" = Rumor. - I got to visit the VIP area once and they weren't watching many matches.

the IIRC is because I couldn't remember which field is next to Galileo.

In hindsight, I didn't add much to the discussion, my apologies.

Yipyapper 09-04-2014 22:39
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
If 2056 or 254 are in Curie this year, or even both, I would bet a lot of money that the Curie curse would end. I don't know why, but I feel like they're going to wind up in the same division and team up, win champs and finally get that championship win that 2056 deserves—all in the same year where, at the start of Waterloo, a lot of people gave them doubts.

I would also bet money that a Canadian team or two (maybe even three) wins champs. I just don't see the alliance that wins it all not having a Canadian team, there are so many of them in every category (top pick, first pick and second pick). I'm not a big fan of this year for numerous reasons, but I think the field will be incredibly interesting and that history will be made in the 2014 World Champs field.

I also think that, unless they're in the same division as 2056 and 254, that 610 will make Einstein again. They were simply amazing all season, perhaps even better compared to other robots than they were last year.

Dominick Ferone 09-04-2014 23:07
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.

Caleb Sykes 09-04-2014 23:16
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1371982)
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.
I have never heard this before. I suppose it is possible. My team last year (2052) ended up in the same division as one of our 4 winning partners (3244) in Newton last year, but maybe it is not possible to perfectly separate all of the alliance members since teams attend multiple events. If I have time this weekend (ha!) I will try to compare winning alliances with divisions for last year, to see if there is any validity in this theory.

Abhishek R 09-04-2014 23:21
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1371982)
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.
Nope, in 2012 624 and 1477 were in the same division despite winning Bayou and being finalists at Lone Star together.

kevincrispie 09-04-2014 23:40
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1371989)
Nope, in 2012 624 and 1477 were in the same division despite winning Bayou and being finalists at Lone Star together.
2012 was a weird year. 971 was with both 1678 and 254, both alliance partners for regional wins. 1717 was also with 330, their alliance partners from Central Valley. 2056 and 1114 were also in the same division. There were probably others, but that's all I can remember offhand. That situation doesn't happen that often, it seems, but it certainly did in 2012.

MrTechCenter 10-04-2014 00:17
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevincrispie (Post 1371994)
2012 was a weird year. 971 was with both 1678 and 254, both alliance partners for regional wins. 1717 was also with 330, their alliance partners from Central Valley. 2056 and 1114 were also in the same division. There were probably others, but that's all I can remember offhand. That situation doesn't happen that often, it seems, but it certainly did in 2012.
Ironically, 1717 lost to 330 in the Semifinals on Newton. And 971 lost to 254 in the Quarterfinals on Curie. 1114 and 2056 were the only "Power Pair" to team-up.

Abhishek R 10-04-2014 00:25
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1372008)
Ironically, 1717 lost to 330 in the Semifinals on Newton. And 971 lost to 254 in the Quarterfinals on Curie. 1114 and 2056 were the only "Power Pair" to team-up.
I think it would be interesting to actually have as many regional pairs or trios in the same division as possible (while maintaining some sort of evenness among divisions) since teams have to work together, they would already know each others' weaknesses or strengths better and be able to build upon those.

EricH 10-04-2014 00:28
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1371955)
That must have been way before 2007 then. Its been some weird algorithm since Ive been a part of FIRST.
Not so far as you might think. Folks on Chief got pretty good at predicting WHAT the divisions would be (just not necessarily which was which); lasted up until around '07 or so, then someone realized that the algorithm was being seen through...and hit the random number generator. Nobody's been able to predict divisions since.

kevincrispie 10-04-2014 00:54
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1372008)
Ironically, 1717 lost to 330 in the Semifinals on Newton. And 971 lost to 254 in the Quarterfinals on Curie. 1114 and 2056 were the only "Power Pair" to team-up.
Very true. And both 1717 and 971 had communications issues as well ironically enough. Though a lot of teams had those...

Anyway, while it's interesting to see some regional pairs, that year was kind of strange. It's actually quite fun to meet teams from all over. It's not a bad thing at all that you have some unfamiliar faces. It just means you get to meet more people. :cool:

It'll be certainly interesting for this year though, with cooperation so important. Teams that have seen each other before could have some amount of advantage. The dynamics between teams will be interesting.

themccannman 10-04-2014 01:21
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I've heard the same rumor that galileo used to be stacked purposefully since it faced the VIP booth in Atlanta. In recent years however comparing the relative OPR's of each division they have been much closer. Galileo was actually one of the weaker divisions last year according to OPR whereas curie and archimedes were relatively strong.

Max Boord 10-04-2014 01:32
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1371982)
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.
Nope. How would 469 and 33 end up in the same division last year.

geomapguy 10-04-2014 01:44
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1372030)
I've heard the same rumor that galileo used to be stacked purposefully since it faced the VIP booth in Atlanta. In recent years however comparing the relative OPR's of each division they have been much closer. Galileo was actually one of the weaker divisions last year according to OPR whereas curie and archimedes were relatively strong.
Average OPR doesn't seem to be representative of how good of chances the division champs will go onto win Einstein. Especially this year when we could easily see a lower seed take out powerhouse alliances

themccannman 10-04-2014 02:06
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geomapguy (Post 1372036)
Average OPR doesn't seem to be representative of how good of chances the division champs will go onto win Einstein. Especially this year when we could easily see a lower seed take out powerhouse alliances
I wouldn't say they are either. But last year there was a very significant difference in OPR's for the top 25% of teams in each division last year. Just thought that was a notable piece of information.

qzrrbz 11-04-2014 15:51
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1371945)
And kept the Curie Curse alive.
another explanation for 2010? :)

Racer26 11-04-2014 16:04
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals. (1114 was undefeated all SEASON until Championship, losing Curie Q100 [intentional 6v0 loss against 111 to guarantee themselves #1 seed] and Einstein F1/F2) Brilliant strategy on the part of 67/177/294 to capitalize on the bad luck and park one of their robots blocking the other goal when 2041 got stuck. Karthik has always said that winning championship is mostly about being well positioned to take advantage of luck going your way.

If 1114 had played Q100 to win, they may have, but they ran the risk of a narrow loss, which would have allowed 111 to seed higher than them, and 469 was all but guaranteed to be the #1 pick.

DampRobot 11-04-2014 17:04
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1372637)
The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals. (1114 was undefeated all SEASON until Championship, losing Curie Q100 [intentional 6v0 loss against 111 to guarantee themselves #1 seed] and Einstein F1/F2) Brilliant strategy on the part of 67/177/294 to capitalize on the bad luck and park one of their robots blocking the other goal when 2041 got stuck. Karthik has always said that winning championship is mostly about being well positioned to take advantage of luck going your way.

If 1114 had played Q100 to win, they may have, but they ran the risk of a narrow loss, which would have allowed 111 to seed higher than them, and 469 was all but guaranteed to be the #1 pick.
Personally, I belief that getting 2041 stuck in the goal was a brilliant strategy on 294's part. But the Curie Curse works too.

BrennanB 11-04-2014 20:31
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1372652)
Personally, I belief that getting 2041 stuck in the goal was a brilliant strategy on 294's part. But the Curie Curse works too.
Pretty sure 2041 got stuck in auton. I could be wrong though...

kaliken 12-04-2014 18:50
So to help everybody's memory in that finals.. As i was there too...basically we knew it would be a dog fight with the 469 cycle with 1114 putting in misses. Adding 2041 to play counter defense made our life difficult. the goal was not to react to the cycle but to force the cycle direction. This allowed us to clear enough balls to enable our alliance to catch up. Obviously it worked as we won match one...Winning match two we took lessons we learned from our regional win, as we were always looking for a robot to pin in the goal. So you will see we took the opportunity to intentionally push 2041 deeper into the goal after the auto period. Then blocking the other goal made the best sense. Luck or curse you can believe what you want.

Adam Freeman 13-04-2014 06:47
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1372637)
The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals.
I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!

PriyankP 15-04-2014 19:52
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Anyone know of a way to get the schedule of events in a CSV format (other than doing it manually)?

lucas.alvarez96 15-04-2014 20:26
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
You could use the TBA API and save the necessary data as CSV...Python has support for requests, JSON and CSV, so you could check those modules out

cadandcookies 15-04-2014 20:31
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1373049)
I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!
Because we all know that 67, 294, and 177 never build competitive robots, I mean they only have what, 60 blue banners between them?

Basel A 15-04-2014 22:31
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1373049)
I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!
I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 956758)
With regards to the final matches....just because we won the first two matches, doesn't mean that 1114, 469, and 2041 would not have been able to beat us if we kept playing. We were very fortunate in the last match that 2041 was stuck in the goal for half the match.

1114 was a scoring machine. 469 has a robot design that will go down in history as one of the most awesome designs ever. Not to mention both are great teams with awesome strategists. Given more time (one more match?), they would have figured out how to win. Then we would have had to adjust to those changes.

[snip]

I'd like to say both alliances were evenly matched, but I'm not sure I can say that. I have been trying to figure out how we defeated them for 5 days now, and there isn't one thing that really jumps out at me. I think we suprised them in the first match and had some luck in the second one. After that it was over.
Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).

PriyankP 15-04-2014 23:43
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucas.alvarez96 (Post 1374384)
You could use the TBA API and save the necessary data as CSV...Python has support for requests, JSON and CSV, so you could check those modules out
Thank you!!

themccannman 16-04-2014 00:18
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1374427)
I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:



Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).
I think adam dropped this on his way out > /s

waialua359 16-04-2014 03:48
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I wanted to comment on the 2010 World Finals matches as a team that played front Bot at IRI with 469 and 330 and 399.
We had to play countless HOF, former WC, and Powerhouse teams on the way to barely winning IRI that year.
Playing the front is not as easy as it would seem.
Having to score soccer balls, maneuver around a defender, box out a defender in order to keep balls cycled into goals, staying out of the way of a cycled ball, drive and steer with only a 1 CIM/1 FP AM Planetary setup per transmission was really tough.
I believe our record in elims was 6-2-1, having to score at least 20 balls in some matches just to barely win.

Off the top of my head, we played against 1086,1114,2056,1625,67,148, 910, 343, etc.

Don Wright 16-04-2014 05:27
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1374508)
I wanted to comment on the 2010 World Finals matches as a team that played front Bot at IRI with 469 and 330 and 399.
We had to play countless HOF, former WC, and Powerhouse teams on the way to barely winning IRI that year.
Playing the front is not as easy as it would seem.
Having to score soccer balls, maneuver around a defender, box out a defender in order to keep balls cycled into goals, staying out of the way of a cycled ball, drive and steer with only a 1 CIM/1 FP AM Planetary setup per transmission was really tough.
I believe our record in elims was 6-2-1, having to score at least 20 balls in some matches just to barely win.

Off the top of my head, we played against 1086,1114,2056,1625,67,148, 910, 343, etc.
Man...that was an amazingly fun and difficult run... I still have the videos online...

Q1.1
Q1.2
SF1.1
SF1.2
SF1.3
F1
F2
F3
F4

I think it felt even better after the disappointment from Einstein.

waialua359 16-04-2014 06:31
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Wright (Post 1374510)
Man...that was an amazingly fun and difficult run... I still have the videos online...

Q1.1
Q1.2
SF1.1
SF1.2
SF1.3
F1
F2
F3
F4

I think it felt even better after the disappointment from Einstein.
Thanks for posting these.
It was however painful to watch our limpy robot reaching the finals. Our kicker broke in the finals so everything had to be pushed in, our auto mode was messed up with no time to fix. I now remember trying to sit out and bring in 399. Except 330 said they were broke completely, and instead they sat out.
And yes, I remember Paul yelling at people on the mezzanine above warning them about cheating, pointing the direction that the ball would fall from your robot.

DavidG 16-04-2014 07:59
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
In regards to the 2010 Finals... I think that 1114, 469, and 2041 lost because they implemented a strategy that didn't utilize the strengths of 1114. 1114 was the best far/mid zone robot all year long.

When they got behind, and the balls were not in 469's cycle, they should have adjusted their strategy, and put 1114 in the mid zone to collect the balls and put them back in 469's loop. There was way too many balls in the middle and far zone, with nobody on 469's alliance there to put them in the goal (and therefore put them in the loop). Of course, when 2041 got stuck in the goal there wasn't much they could do.

That's just my 2 cents. I was only in 7th grade when I watched those matches... so don't take my opinion too seriously.

Adam Freeman 16-04-2014 08:18
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1374427)
I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:
It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.

Yipyapper 16-04-2014 08:27
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1374524)
It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
Regardless of what happened in the finals, the fact that your alliance made it to the finals indicated that you did not get "lucky" with the championship. I certainly wish you didn't have to prove it to people who didn't think you deserved it, but that's how CD seems to be these days.

MARS_James 16-04-2014 10:19
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
To bring this thread back to it's original purpose and not :deadhorse:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1371787)
Every year, people ask when will Divisions be released? FIRST typically doesn't provide advance notice. Here's when they have been released in the past.

In 2012 and 2013, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).
It looks like we will not be meeting this deadline this year since we are sitting at 397 teams right now

Hallry 16-04-2014 10:22
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1374561)
It looks like we will not be meeting this deadline this year since we are sitting at 397 teams right now
I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.

PayneTrain 16-04-2014 10:28
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1374563)
I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.
Coming from someone with firsthand experience, FIRST is adding teams up until the very last possible minute. The logistics surrounding releasing divisions don't have to fully cooperate with the logistics of plucking teams out of a lineup to ship them off to Missouri. I think they were taking teams off the waitlist last year through Friday the 19th and may actually have put in a couple more checks on the 22nd (yes, the Monday before champs). Division were released 5 days before the preliminary schedules were released

Peter Matteson 16-04-2014 10:28
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1374563)
I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.
This has been done multiple times in the past where teams registered late for one reason or another.

They will add the late teams in at the end if there are any, but robots have to ship tomorrow so that deadline is pretty firm.

JVN 16-04-2014 10:38
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1374524)
Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."

JesseK 16-04-2014 10:51
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1374572)
As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."
They aren't that soft and cuddly...

PayneTrain 16-04-2014 10:54
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1374572)
As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."
Or if you're 67, stitch them together to make a village of tents.

Dancin103 16-04-2014 11:02
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1374524)
Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
Someone I know defines luck as a combination of hard work and determination. So by those metrics, yes you were lucky, and you guys work extremely hard and are determined to do very well. And I am glad you are in the hall of fame with us. :)

And I think we are all getting more sensitive and cranky. ;)

Steven Donow 16-04-2014 11:18
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1371982)
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.
I believe that the winners for District Championships generally get split up.

MARS_James 16-04-2014 11:27
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1371982)
I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.
Last year 744 was in the same division as 1772 who together won Orlando and 180 was in the same division as 1251 who won South Florida together

Zach O 16-04-2014 13:36
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Bringing this thread back on topic, it sounds like divisions will be out this afternoon

MrTechCenter 16-04-2014 13:55
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach O (Post 1374636)
Bringing this thread back on topic, it sounds like divisions will be out this afternoon
This won't be the final list. FIRST is still waiting on 3 teams' invitations to be returned.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 13:57
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1374645)
This won't be the final list. FIRST is still waiting on 3 teams' invitations to be returned.
It will likely be final for everyone except those three teams.

mrwright 16-04-2014 13:57
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Divisions are being updated as we speak!

notmattlythgoe 16-04-2014 13:58
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Divisions are being entered as I type this.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....110CHgtg132046

peirvine 16-04-2014 13:58
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
According to @FIRStweets
Quote:
Firing up the double-secret proprietary #FRCCMP Division Team Randomizer! #omgrobots
My guess is 2pm EST...

mrwright 16-04-2014 13:59
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Curie for us!

Alpha Beta 16-04-2014 14:01
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach O (Post 1374636)
Bringing this thread back on topic, it sounds like divisions will be out this afternoon
We're in Newton!

Boe 16-04-2014 14:01
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Archimedes here we come!

Wayne Doenges 16-04-2014 14:02
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1374655)
We're in Newton!
So are we!!!!

notmattlythgoe 16-04-2014 14:03
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
At least 4 VA teams are in Galileo.

2363, 1885, 384, and 1610

Hallry 16-04-2014 14:04
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwright (Post 1374653)
Curie for us!
1676 will be joining you there. Time to break this curse ;)

Basel A 16-04-2014 14:04
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
From https://my.usfirst.org/frc/scoring/i...ID_event=10747

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Archimedes:

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5299        Archimedes
Curie:

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5320        Galileo
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314        Newton
330        Newton
340        Newton
341        Newton
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368        Newton
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612        Newton
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5339        Newton

Mason987 16-04-2014 14:07
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Curie for 987.

It also appears that the server hosting the team list has crashed or my browser is tired of me hitting refresh every five seconds.

barn34 16-04-2014 14:09
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1374655)
We're in Newton!
Good luck to you guys! Looks like we're making a return to Galileo, so we'll just have to hope GARE-E can rub bumpers with Tusk on Einstein. ;)

Yipyapper 16-04-2014 14:09
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Curie is stacked. Archimedes is not (on first glance).

Steven Donow 16-04-2014 14:12
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I'm inclined to say the Curie Curse will be broken...but I also thought so last year...

jlmcmchl 16-04-2014 14:16
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Well, this breaks any proof that winning a competition with another team prevents you from being in the same division. 33 and 27 are back together in Archimedes after MSC.

Woolly 16-04-2014 14:16
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1374655)
We're in Newton!
Man, where was this division last year? :rolleyes:

Mason987 16-04-2014 14:16
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yipyapper (Post 1374667)
Curie is stacked. Archimedes is not (on first glance).
2485 is on there, and after playing with them I'm sure they'll be very good competitors.

dodar 16-04-2014 14:16
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Newton is absolutely stacked!

Just something to think about, 9 teams from the FRC Top 25 in Newton; 4 from the Top 10.

Mason987 16-04-2014 14:18
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1374670)
I'm inclined to say the Curie Curse will be broken...but I also thought so last year...
I also thought so last year. and in 2012. and in 2011. :rolleyes:

Hallry 16-04-2014 14:20
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Interesting, http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is still saying NO, and the FRC Megaphone Division Notifier texts haven't seen to gone out yet either.

Mason987 16-04-2014 14:22
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1374681)
Interesting, http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is still saying NO, and the FRC Megaphone Division Notifier texts haven't seen to gone out yet either.
I'm attributing this to the fact that there are still no links under the divisions and the process isn't complete yet. We've all just been sitting here waiting and refreshing until something changed.

Zach O 16-04-2014 14:23
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1374681)
Interesting, http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is still saying NO, and the FRC Megaphone Division Notifier texts haven't seen to gone out yet either.
Division Notifier texts just went out. FIRST didn't publish divisions the way I expected them to (posting to the event pages - frclinks.com/e/gal), so I was polling for a different page.

I pulled teams manually and sent out texts. The first batch of texts didn't have a field though. The second batch did. Who knew hot swapping code could lead to issues.

Ty Tremblay 16-04-2014 14:23
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
1 Attachment(s)
Here's the raw data in excel format.

iRobot_ 16-04-2014 14:26
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Archimedes is pretty stacked, just the first three teams have either won their respective district championship or was a regional winner...

AnonymousMarvin 16-04-2014 14:32
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
I am inclined to think that this years is going to Newton. Just look at the amount of power house teams there. Newton is the one to watch this year.

Nathan Streeter 16-04-2014 14:48
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yipyapper (Post 1374667)
Curie is stacked. Archimedes is not (on first glance).
Archimedes may be light on Canadian teams, but it does have plenty of strong American teams from coast to coast!

Yipyapper 16-04-2014 14:58
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter (Post 1374730)
Archimedes may be light on Canadian teams, but it does have plenty of strong American teams from coast to coast!
The lack of Canada wasn't my implication. There are plenty of good teams in Archimedes, but it doesn't compare to the other divisions in my mind.

Flimsor 16-04-2014 15:04
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges (Post 1374657)
So are we!!!!
See you there!

Jared 16-04-2014 15:14
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Average OPR's for each division, given in the format average of all, average of top 20, average of top 8.

curie
47.66, 87.58, 101.53

archimedes
44.44, 81.05, 91.98

newton
50.43, 87.64, 100.35

galileo
49.24, 82.42, 90.59

Basel A 16-04-2014 15:21
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
1 Attachment(s)
Threw together a quick PDF of divisional team oprs. Archimedes does look the weakest. Newton probably the strongest at the top end, with Galileo the deepest.

jlmcmchl 16-04-2014 15:35
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Did a graph for each division based on Team's OPR. Uses Ed Law's OPR Data.

Archimedes & Curie
Galileo & Newton

Link to excel sheet: World OPR By Division

tstew 16-04-2014 18:40
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
All of the divisions on one graph:

JVN 16-04-2014 18:58
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Can you do this same OPR graph for the top 32 teams in each division?

Aren_Hill 16-04-2014 19:02
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tstew (Post 1374972)
All of the divisions on one graph:
Hey Timothy....whats the X-axis....

plnyyanks 16-04-2014 20:18
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1374989)
Hey Timothy....whats the X-axis....
Always label your axes, it could make a huge difference...

thatismytruck 16-04-2014 20:21
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Curious about the x axis also; and I would like to know what OPR is.


I hate acronyms. I never recall what they are.

plnyyanks 16-04-2014 20:23
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thatismytruck (Post 1375052)
and I would like to know what OPR is.
Offensive Power Rating

And the maths

thatismytruck 16-04-2014 20:31
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Thank you!

If I read you right OPR focuses on scoring when the main point is to assist. How do you factor in all the assists and the last team scoring the goal?

If I missed something I apologize.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 20:35
Re: When will Divisions be released?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thatismytruck (Post 1375061)
Thank you!

If I read you right OPR focuses on scoring when the main point is to assist. How do you factor in all the assists and the last team scoring the goal?

If I missed something I apologize.
OPR is basically a measure of how much a team is likely to contribute to an alliance's score as a whole. This accounts for all ways of scoring, including assist, truss, catch, and scoring. It does not differentiate between ways of getting points, so you could have two robots, each with an OPR of 100, but maybe one racks up a 100 assist points in a match, while another trusses and then scores a 100 points.


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