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There are really two opposite factors that affect event to event OPR comparison. One is if an event does not have many teams that are able to possess the ball, everyone's OPR will be lower. This seems to be what George is interested in. The other is that at an event with a lot of good teams, there's only so many points you can score due to cycle time. A good scoring robot and two decent passers will likely score similar to 3 all around good robots. This reduces the OPR of the all around good robots at an event. This seems to be what Tom was addressing.

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Tigertrons YouTube page has videos from Mt. Olive, and I am making it my mission to get the MAR Champs matches posted by Monday. (edit at home, upload at work ;) ) Unfortunately, we don't have video from Chestnut Hill, sorry.:(

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Among the other problems with OPR this year is the assumption that teams are trying to maximize their overall score. Many teams at times sacrificed potential truss and high goal points to maximize assist points rather than total score.

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FYI, Team 1676 has all of the full-field match videos from Mt. Olive, Clifton, and Bridgewater-Raritan posted on their YouTube Channel. They are also working on getting all of their MAR Champs footage up as well, which will hopefully all be posted by tomorrow.

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I am trying to award teams who played at harder events and had their OPR lowered because of the defense they played against. This method does exactly that and brings up teams who played at high caliber events closer to the top. It doesn't award teams who had high OPRs at their event where no one else could score as much. I'm not sure how good of a metric it is other than kind of being a 2nd order sort on who played well at "good" events.

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Dying right now. Please tell me Curie's pits and stands will be full of giant EJ heads and other memes.

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They will likely be full of Bates heads...

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Bates is love, Bates is life.

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Anyone know what team was just added to make the 100th team in our division?

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2073

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Thanks Jared!

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Ok stats kids, go nuts.

Edit: I swapped red and blue. Re-download please.

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Hi my name is Christian, and I am from team 2443. I was wondering if anyone in the curie division would like to team up for scouting. Being from Hawaii, it is very expensive to travel to attend the championships. The group attending championships is much smaller then the group that attended Hawaii Regional.

Our scouting system involves 3 sections.

1. Pre-scouting is where the team currently has a spreadsheet where we are inputting information about all the teams based on information we can find from robot reveals, blue alliance, and from match videos.

2. Pit scouting where we go to each pit to talk to the teams in person. In the conversation, we would talk with the teams to find out information that is still not clear or missing from our pre-scouting. (e.g # of Drive Motors). At the championships it will be very difficult with such a short time on wednesday to pit scout, so by pre-scouting we reduce the time we spend talking with each team.

3. Match scouting we have 7-8 members in the stands where 6 of them watch one robot each. While a member is watching a robot, they must keep track of the goals the robot scored, shots missed, driver/defensive rating, assist, fouls, comments, etc.. They keep track using the match scouting packet meant for that team. Once the match is over, these members pass it to 1-2 members on the labtops where they input the data into our database. Once, it is on the database we use Tableau to analyze the data.

We have used this scouting system at both the Central Valley and Hawaii Regional this season. The data we have collected has helped our team in matches, and also when deciding who to select during alliance selection.

If anyone is interested in working together to scout, then please PM me.

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We are using the FRC Scout app with our team. If you would like partner or set with us, we might be able to work something out.

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Here's a color based stat sheet of Curie based on the 1114 database . I think the Curie curse is going down this year.

Curie vs Newton in the finals


254 987 1323 vs 971 1114 368

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No way that either alliance is going to exist (well, it's possible but improbable). With whichever team on either alliance is supposed to be picked on the way back up probably won't be available by then. These teams are just TOO good.

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OPR based predictions to make everyone scared.

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Can't really see it too good.

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Full predictions. Note that this is based off of Max OPR and uses assist OPR as a tiebreaker.

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Do you have this for the other divisions?

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Unfortunately not, but I could start working on it.

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I did the same thing, but got different results. Where did you get your OPR data? I used team 2834's for my results.

For top 8, I had
842
469
1241
1718
2013
118
125
135


Attached is my excel spreadsheet that uses team 2834's scouting database. It's interesting to see that OPR doesn't have a great correlation with the number of matches won predicted by OPR.

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You used World OPR, where Joel used max event OPR. Both are available in Ed Law's database.

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This.


I thought your graph was interesting, here is what mine looks like with max event OPR.

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The graph is interesting. I never realized how much scheduling luck can help/hurt somebody. There is a team that won 4 matches that has a higher OPR than a team that won 9 matches. If you're basing these predicted wins purely off of opr, I would have expected different results.

Even more interesting, is team 3562, who has an opr of 31.8, and has 7 wins, predicted by OPR. Poor team 191 has an OPR of 30, and they only have 1 win predicted by OPR. You are missing team 2073 in your OPR, and have set their OPR to 35, but changing it to their real value does not make a difference in their win/loss.

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Yeah, not so crazy about Jared's predictions but we exceeded the predictions last year so we'll see if we can do it again this year.

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A few more interesting (and for me, pretty eye-opening) statistics- Remember, that in these predictions assume that a team always scores exactly their OPR in each match, so OPR (in these predictions) is a perfect representation of robot performance.

Team 1884 has an OPR of 1.18. On their simulated performance, based solely on OPR and the matches they will play in, they will win 5 matches. Team 447 has an OPR of 74.14. On their simulated performance, they will win only 4 matches.

The average OPR of teams that win 5 matches is lower than that of teams that win 4.

There is little to no correlation between a teams ability to score and their ability to seed in the top 8.

1/2 of the top 8 scoring robots will not end up in the top 8. The 29th best robot places 5th, the third best robot places 10th, and the 5th best places 17th.

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I remember a match last year where it was predicted we were going to get annihilated and one of our partners didn't bother to show up to boot and we won bigtime (partially due to one of the robots falling over). The predictions are just speculation. Not fact.

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I don't think there is any way to account for it, but remember that teams in this division who were at the Mount Olive District played matches that were 20 seconds short. This will have a negative impact on their OPR.

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Since these predictions are using Max OPR (best OPR from a single event), it shouldn't affect too many teams, since Mount Olive was a week one. Most teams play better at their later events in the season.

It would only affect teams whose Max OPR was from Mount Olive, or would have been from Mount Olive had the matches been the correct length.

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You mean there is no correlation between a teams' OPR and their ability to seed in the top 8. *insert all the limitations of OPR*.


(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

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I do not think that a team's OPR is a good indicator of their strength. However, in these predicted matches, it is a perfect representation of their strength because the score for each match is calculated based on the the OPR, and only the OPR of each robot.

My point has nothing to do with individual teams, but it has to do with the schedule and number of matches. If you go out, and you score exactly 30 points per match, you may win one match, or you may win seven, depending on your schedule. That's what the data shows. I'm trying to prove how much of a difference your schedule can make. In these predictions, OPR is a perfect representation of a robots performance. In the real world, that is not true. I would generally expect that robots that score more points will rank higher, but it is not true.

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I wouldn't count on almost any of these being at all accurate, but it is fun to look at. The score an alliance will get will also depend on the alliance it is facing, which isn't taking into account with OPR.

Magnets is right in saying that, for this prediction only and not in real matches, that OPR is a team's ability to contribute points for an alliance. However, even though it's not perfect, there is still a correlation between matches won and ability to contribute points. Look at Joel's graph or the graph in my spreadsheet and you'll see that, in general, teams that can score more, will seed higher, which makes a lot of sense. Of course there will be exceptions, but teams will be scouting to look for good teams seeded low.

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Agreed. OPR may be good to glance at, but isn't really a good predictor of records. Strategy, especially in this game, can throw OPR out the door. Going into MSC, we were expected to 3-9 based on OPR. After going 3-0 on day 1, Spyder predicted we would go 12-0. we ended with a final qualification record of 7-5.

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I completely agree on this. NEVER base your decisions on OPR values. Use them to get a quick glance at an upcoming match, or to give your drivers a head start on who to start looking at for match strategy, etc. But that should be it.

I just run the numbers cause it is a mental challenge, it is interesting to look at, and it gives other people stuff to look at too. I don't think my team has ever used OPR during selection.

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I'm sure that those who are running these OPR predictions know that OPR is not the end-all in terms of the actual ranking, and are mostly doing this to occupy them with the statistics before we get to CMP. According to the graph, the general trend is that the better teams will still seed higher, and it's a known factor that schedules can swing teams around. I wouldn't put too much weight on the predictions, though they are interesting to look at.

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Agreed. My mini-rant was more directed at some of the newer people (in many threads) who were making sweeping generalizations based on OPR without really understanding it isn't perfect. Most of the people (which I do appreciate) doing the calculations understand it, but there are many that take the results a step too far. I really don't intend to start a back and forth on OPR as that has been done several times...



I'm glad Frank explained how teams got placed in divisions. If not, I would has thought their goal was to confuse everyone by putting 2468, 2478, 2648, 2848 and 2928 in the same division. :cool:

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2nd highest OPR (us) places 18th. I think we have the worst statistical schedule out there. I'm not concerned though, a lot of our matches could go both ways easily.

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A lot of our OPR based woes involved huge intake and ball control issues. Which we have made huge progress on since Orlando if I do say so myself.

Along with a terrible statistical schedule at Palmetto, and a average/moderately difficult one at Orlando.

I'll take strategy anyday over OPR.

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At MSC, lowest OPR losing (single bot) was a lot more accurate than highest alliance OPR winning.

WTT: my FRC free corn dog for video footage of 2013 Cybergnomes [edit:At WCR]

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http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2013

PAY UP

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Okay you can have my son's... but I was really hoping for some video of whatever happened at the Western Canada elims. Looks like the espresso really kicked in from those scores.

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Some corndogs were lost on this day.

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ALSO: here are all of their matches so far this season. You have to actually "find" them by typing in their team number on the left.

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There was defense there, but 2013 and 4334 just were so far and above the competition that them teaming up was a foregone conclusion. Really happy for both teams--4334 is already 2nd in OPR in the toughest division and won a chairman's this year. Powerhouse team if I ever saw one.

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Nice... I hadn't ever looked there after all that #omgyoustoleourvideos controversy. I sure couldn't find it anywhere else.

@Jared, Ian: I'll see if I can track you fellas down and get you those corn dogs ;)

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So, now the FIRST has released Match Schedules, how do you see things going down? What matches are you looking forward to?

I think Curie 120 will be pretty amazing... 222 with 125 going up against 11... yeah, should be a good one.

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Match 47. Theory6 and M.O.R.T ( along with my team ) going up against Hawaiian kids, team appreciate , and dirty mechanics . If preliminary a fall through, this will be the match I am most excited to take part in and watch.

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Team 3476, Code Orange, is in the Curie Division.
:D Crush the Curie Curse:D
We were the #3 pick and Newton Division Champions last year without winning a Regional. In 2014, we competed at the Las Vegas and San Diego Regionals. If you would like to see us in action, here is a list of links to video of Team 3476’s matches.

Most of these HD videos were shot by Gary Hedge, a mentor on Team 3476, Code Orange. The video follows the action with close-up zooms, tilts and pans. Scores are shown at the end of match.
A highlights video of Team 3476’s 2014 robot, Hanalei, for Championship pre-scouters is available on YouTube at: http://youtu.be/NRo1hbfD7Lk .

At Las Vegas, Team 3476, Code Orange, was the first pick by the #3 Alliance Captain, Team 1717, d’Penguineers. Team 687, The Nerd Herd, rounded out the alliance. The alliance beat the #2 alliance in the Semi-finals to move on to become Finalists, losing by a narrow margin to the #1 Alliance of Teams 2485, 987 and 2478.

Team 3476, Code Orange, received the 2014 San Diego Regional Chairman’s Award. In San Diego, Code Orange was the #2 Alliance Captain, Semifinalist and won the Imagery Award in honor of Jack Kamen. They were undefeated in the Qualification Matches along with team 987, High Rollers, with 11 wins. Code Orange scored the most accumulated Autonomous points with 515 and the most Truss & Catch points with 330.

LAS VEGAS VIDEOS:
FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Quarterfinal 4-1 http://youtu.be/H8Fa9PFbkts
Score: Red 195 points; Blue 61 points. Alliance #3 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3476, frc687 vs. Alliance #6 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc1165, frc60.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Quarterfinal 4-2 http://youtu.be/ccOwm0qFmjU
Score: Red 165 points; Blue 98 points. Alliance #3 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3476, frc687 vs. Alliance #6 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc1165, frc60.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-1 http://youtu.be/DHwXH4nyUnk
Score: Red 211 points; Blue 96 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-2 http://youtu.be/ngai8L37umY
Score: Red 152 points; Blue 165 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-3 http://youtu.be/gTJ_rEvVkEY
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 295 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Final-1 http://youtu.be/xvxrYuNC4hk
Score: Red 166 points; Blue 145 points. Alliance #1 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2478, frc2485, frc987 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Final-2 http://youtu.be/6n-XEj5Ege8
Score: Red 175 points; Blue 130 points. Alliance #1 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2478, frc2485, frc987 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

Qualification Matches:
FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #03
Link to video by Gary Hedge: http://youtu.be/wHD4PdSdclg
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 95 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3577, frc988 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5049, frc3476, frc2403.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #16 http://youtu.be/in9Z2AQ9Jbc
Score: Red 111points; Blue 105 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1631, frc1538, frc2493 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc585, frc2486, frc3476.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #24 http://youtu.be/qyTLU3yN4eo
Score: Red 185 points; Blue 160 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2485, frc3476, frc3187 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1661, frc4146, frc2102.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #33 http://youtu.be/fP1_hG7qT08
Score: Red 210 points; Blue 87 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1515, frc1726, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5049, frc4962, frc3255.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #37 http://youtu.be/Tu7ObM3UT14
Score: Red 225 points; Blue 215 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3501, frc987, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1726, frc1572, frc4800.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #43 http://youtu.be/b34D9qb8Pwc
Score: Red 121 points; Blue 117 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc4470, frc2478 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3501, frc1197, frc3598.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #55 http://youtu.be/C_0FJcJG37Q
Score: Red 155 points; Blue 145 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4322, frc60, frc987 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4146, frc3476, frc3598.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #59 http://youtu.be/lQV44F_kK-0
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 190 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3245, frc3309, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc2122, frc1165, frc4276.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #60 http://youtu.be/77lXtrdpehY
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 81 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc1538, frc687 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc5012, frc2034.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #74 by Ben Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS_0YADMEsc
Score: Red 36 points; Blue 230 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2034, frc585, frc4792 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3476, frc1266, frc4276.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #82 by Ben Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkSmayFNElU
Score: Red 115 points; Blue 166 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4, frc687, frc3965 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3476, frc4160, frc2429.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #86 http://youtu.be/bLsIWyOzX_k
Score: Red 190 points; Blue 147 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1631, frc988, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3598, frc5012, frc3019.

SAN DIEGO VIDEOS:
FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Quarterfinal 3-1
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XibxO2aS6nk
Score: Red 175 points; Blue 128 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #7 BLUE Teams (on right) frc3128, frc3255, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Quarterfinal 3-2
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPGEoDfMas9
Score: Red 150 points; Blue 113 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #7 BLUE Teams (on right) frc3128, frc3255, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-1
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7AiZ3KJZH0
Score: Red 92 points; Blue 190 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-2
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMx7hou4FI
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 46 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-3
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDHIsAO-Ug
Score: Red 86 points; Blue 121 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.
Team 330, BeachBots, from Hermosa Beach, CA, displayed amazing driving skill and shooting on the fly to lead the #3 Alliance to the Regional Championship. Team 1266, Devil Duckies, #3 Alliance Captain showed their experience and picking skill to not let the BeachBots get away in the Alliance Selection.

Qualification Matches:
FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #06
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdAIidiNyY
Score: Red 71 points; Blue 75 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frcteam frc1538, frc3704, frc4738 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5209, frc3255, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #11
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNqBwFJ6DA
Score: Red 46 points; Blue 200 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc589, frc2658, frc1572 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3749, frc3476, frc987.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #29
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrH9velDpAU
Score: Red 100 points; Blue 63 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3041, frc4160, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3881, frc3250, frc3128.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #37
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoY_luDZ6BA
Score: Red 230 points; Blue 41 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2543, frc3476, frc3009 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3881, frc5025, frc3011.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #47
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo-u99olW6Y&
Score: Red 40 points; Blue 80 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3328, frc3965, frc4616 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4919, frc3476, frc2193.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #60
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsGa7l3pzFs
Score: Red 95 points; Blue 47 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3491, frc4019, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4984, frc4139, frc2984.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #70
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ICqHkdB89I
Score: Red 23 points; Blue 110 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2029, frc3491, frc4574 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3952, frc4014, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #78
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hBUgCEhjU
Score: Red 31 points; Blue 140 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4486, frc4078, frc4583 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc568, frc4792, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #84
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QOkfFB1zE
Score: Red 200 points; Blue 48 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3011, frc604, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc568, frc3341, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #97
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRAG5Dh3kw
Score: Red 155 points; Blue 16 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc3967, frc1266 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3021, frc5285, frc3749.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #107 with introductions
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYQ5tvkLzoA
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 83 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4139, frc3881, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3255, frc3647, frc2839.

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^Golly that's a long post.

I think I can speak for most of my team that were looking forward to the matches we get to play with (M52) Team 987, (M92) Team 125, and (M166) Team 842 (the team we modeled our latest intake after).

I also can't wait to see how we might fare potentially playing a bit of defense against 2451's swerve in M37.

Kinda sad we never play with/against the Poofs, Hawaiian Kids, MORT, Las Guerrillas, Theory6 or the Robonauts.

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I definitely can agree with you there. We are fortunate enough to be matched up with or against a few of these amazing teams and we are all extremely anxious and excited about it.

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Team 5125 is a 45 pound Kitbot with no scoring mechanism but has a 40 point per match OPR.
If there is no bigger indictment of the fallacy of relying on OPR for scouting there it is.

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If this is still the case...does anyone want to help them make an intake like the one 1114 and 2056 made for that team at Winsdor Essex so they can assist their alliance partners better? For the record...i dont think I ever play with or against them. I just feel like they might have a better experience this way.

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They need weight. They drove well but you can only do so much being that light.
2451 and 1625 put pool noodles on top of the bot so balls wouldn't get stuck on top of the robot and incur a penalty but getting some weight would probably be the best thing for them really.

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I can actually help them there a lot more than anything. I have 1045 stainless steel solid cylinders that I am borrowing from work. Each 6in x 4in cylinder weighs 15 pounds. I have several of them.

Yes, they are expensive, but pretty much impervious to any kind of damage a frc robot would be able to inflict.

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That certainly would help.

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I think that this is the year that the Curie Curse is broken. All of the teams on that list are astounding. But, regardless if the curse is broken or not, we are certainly in for some good competition. :)

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It was kind of hilarious to see us be ranked higher than the #4 seed (another team I mentor(ed)).

We're currently in the works of building a ramp with a gate, to possess balls. 5288 (1114's partner) did not have an intake just an outtake(?), and while an intake would be awesome-r, we don't have the time to do make one. We've still got bumpers to re-make. Our plan is to be able to catch from the human player and just release the ball immediately and go back on defense.

After we talked about our plans post-regional, adding weight came up, but we decided against it as it may impair our driving. Our biggest advantage and the reason we played defense pretty well was being able to zip around the field and not exactly push robots, but just being everywhere. We'd like to keep that ability, and not give the driver a completely different robot. Plus with our "ramp-gate" we're probably looking to add 20 lbs there itself.

Definitely interested in hearing others' thoughts.

And to add to the match conversations...we're gonna have fun. Going up against, 254, 11, 125, 469/180 and other tough teams. My only words - look out for the orange :cool:

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5 or 6 extra batteries would take care of that weight problem.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Still too soon to make Orlando jokes?

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Just steal the weights from the Inspectors.

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Does anyone have any good pictures of:
540 TALON 540 Godwin Robotics
1311 Kell Robotics
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1723 The FBI - FIRST Bots of Independence
1884 Griffins
2016 Mighty Monkey Wrenches
2848 The All Sparks
3301 Patriots
3386 Tornades
3660 Lightsabers
3692 Rock N' Robots
3794 WinT
4171 BayBots
4935 T-Rex
4969 Iron FeNix
5125 Hawks on the Horizon
5297 BOLTZAP

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Attachment 16900 this is our teams robot from build stop day. This is the gist of what it looks lie but there are something that we have added to it since our last regional and I don't have an updated picture of it

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I would like say since a lot of you are pre-scouting pictures & videos.

4901's robot no longer looks like it does in any video/pictures you will find. We have created an entirely new intake over the past 4 weeks. The drive-train is the only thing that remains entirely the same as what you see on video. Even the shooter that you see used in autonomous in the Orlando Regional is slightly different...only in how it is controlled, in order for us to have option to employ a two ball autonomous sequence if needed as well as to have our drivers have much better control of the ball once it is under the control of the robot.

As JVN would say. Iteration has proven to be the key to success for us.

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Since John tweeted it on the team's account, I don't think I'm giving away the barn here:



(The 2x4s are just our convenient cheapskate way of approximating the robot frame without having it or a practice robot. It works, people!)

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Neat! Can't wait to see it in action! Should be fun to play with you guys in match 166. :)

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The new bot looks great! Can't wait to play with you guys in Match 2!

I don't have any good pictures of our robot, but I may be able to provide one at a later point. We have some matches on Blue Alliance from VA Regional but I will still try to post a picture.

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125 has extremely strong connections to 222 (a current mentor of 125 was a HS student on 222, his mom is still the 222 team leader) and 11 (myself and at least 5 other current 125 mentors were students on 11).

We're looking very forward to that one.

-Brando

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yeah, my point exactly! Check out our performance this year on our YouTube page!

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2009 Einstein Champs 67,111,971 How did that ever happen???

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Why is the match going on right now (Qual. 57) a 2v2 match?

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No idea, this is the second time i've seen that today.

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772 was switching out a Digital Sidecar and 3478 stumbled up to the field when they started the match.
2648 and 5124 also stumbled up the the field late and missed their matches as well.
Teams were doing a shockingly poor job showing up to the field in my Que line in the afternoon. IT was pretty empty back there and alot of teams had near misses with making their match.
Too much good St. Louis Bar-B-Q for lunch I suppose.

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I think it is the fact there there is no calling for matches, and some teams are used to hearing their match be called. Each alliance should make sure that their teammates show up on time to their match.

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That's why FIRST insists that when Team Que is trained teams are not to be chased in the pits because it trains them for when they get to championships and have to actually be responsible for their own getting to the field. It's just that many events want to do it their way and could care less if the teams are properly trained on how to que up for matches.

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Yeah, at two events we went to this year matches were always called. So even I though I'm not really a FRC championship vetran, I was surprised when the time came and we missed our first match.

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It's impossible to call teams when there are four different divisions and two whole other events present there. It would be total chaos.

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In the future, to help teams out, something like this could added to the standings screens that are in the pits. That way you would know what matches were last played, in progress, and coming up. This would also help at events when teams are called, but it is difficult to hear the calls.

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At the MAR CMP, they used the basketball scoreboard to show which match was being played and which match was being queued.

I can imagine a simple 3-digit display (two, actually, for each division) hung up high where everyone in the pits can see them. When your match number is shown, go queue.

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Lets get 400 of the square restaurant pagers... and have someone paging teams when its time for them to queue.

Just keep it in your pit, and when it vibrates and lights up, its time for you to queue up.

That would be the holy-grail of awesome queueing in my opinion. Some of the better ones have a pretty good range.

Skip the pagers and use up to 10 free text reminders per match.

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I don't know about the other divisions, but the matches on Curie were often ahead of schedule, which caused a lot of teams to be late for their matches.

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Interesting. Most of our matches were played behind schedule.

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Hey, 5125 gets assists now.

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I don't know about everyone else, but many on our team have had poor cell service in the pit area. This may cause issues with the text system.

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Definitely true. I think its just overloaded cell networks. Texting is not a reliable method of communication currently between our contingent in the stands and the pits.

-Brando

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The Griffins are proud to have shared the field and pits with the amazing teams on Curie! It's been an incredible year and we're thrilled to have made it Champs for the first time.

Good luck to all the elimination alliances and hopefully one of you guys will end the 'curse'!

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So.... that red side of the bracket.... wow. 1 v 8 and 4 v 5 will feature Einstein levels of play.

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This sure was an exciting competition. Congrats to 254, 469, 2848, and 74 on your division and championship win! You guys played extremely well and knew you would go all the way. Would like to give a special thanks to 2928 for picking us as well as 2013 and 1311 for being great alliance partners. Was a pleasure working with you guys. We may not have won but we are extremely proud for making it to the semifinals for such an incredibly tough division. Also congrats to everyone in the division for such a high performance all around.

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It was a very different rob ot than the one I saw in Chicago.

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We were alliance partners in the last qualification match with 5125. We went over to the pits to work with them to get ready and 3 students showed up. I asked them how things had been going and if the rest of the team was in the stands. They responded with good and that no they only had 3 students on the team. I noticed the students look very young as well. They were all three seventh graders and only had three team members. WOW, my mind was blown at this point. They said they are excited about the upcoming year and have already started recruiting some new members for the team.

Members from Ctrl-Z 4069 came to Champs with the team to assist them in the competition.

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I ditto the comments made by Rangel! It was great being picked. I went on record as saying that we would not be picked... It seems that alliances pick teams without using any data. But Alas we were picked and we are extremely grateful for this! We felt that our robot was underestimated by many, and I hope we showed that. We really like the four team alliances! I don't believe in curses but it was still fun to help break one anyway!

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That was the plan :D The students wanted to be competitive and be able to do a 3-assist cycle then go full defense. I wanted to add more orange.

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If anyone knows where any match videos from Curie are located, please let me know. I wasn't able to be at the event this year and did not have access to the webcast in my pit at VEX Champs since the FIRST webcasts were not mobile-friendly.

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I'm hoping the Official FIRST channel (formerly "FIRSTWorldTube"?) upload the eliminations earlier than last year (June 2013). I haven't found any match videos from Curie yet, please post here if anyone sees them.

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Here ya go!

We also posted full-field footage of Einstein as well if you're interested.

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Thank you Ryan!

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Thanks for posting the matches.
I finally got to watch some of our matches.

Those Curie Semifinals matches we were in against the #1 seed were intense.
Being able to match teleop scores in matches 1 and 3 were tough but very exciting to coach.
The defense on us got much better in match 3 and slowed us down. Before the tech foul, it was really close at 220-206 with our alliance missing an auton ball.