2014 Curie Division
 

According to the Curie Curse, below are the 99 teams who were just eliminated from winning the championship:

11 MORT
28 Pierson Whalers
68 Truck Town Thunder
74 Team C.H.A.O.S.
75 RoboRaiders
118 Robonauts
125 NUTRONS
135 The Black Knights
177 Bobcat Robotics
180 S.P.A.M.
191 X-CATS
222 Tigertrons
230 Gaelhawks
236 Techno-Ticks
254 The Cheesy Poofs
294 Beach Cities Robotics
359 Hawaiian Kids
418 Purple Haze
447 Team Roboto
469 Las Guerrillas
540 TALON 540 Godwin Robotics
573 Mech Warriors
624 CRyptonite
772 Sabre Bytes
842 Falcon Robotics
865 Warp7
987 HIGHROLLERS
1241 THEORY6
1287 Aluminum Assault
1311 Kell Robotics
1323 MadTown Robotics
1501 Team THRUST
1595 Dragons
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1676 The Pascack PI-oneers
1714 MORE Robotics
1718 The Fighting Pi
1723 The FBI - FIRST Bots of Independence
1732 Hilltoppers
1884 Griffins
1902 Exploding Bacon
1937 Elysium
2013 Cybergnomes
2016 Mighty Monkey Wrenches
2073 EagleForce
2080 Torbotics
2169 KING TeC
2227 Tigers
2403 Plasma Robotics
2443 Blue Thunder
2451 PWNAGE
2468 Team Appreciate
2478 Westwood Robotics
2543 TitanBOT
2619 The Charge
2648 Infinite Loop
2848 The All Sparks
2928 Viking Robotics
3015 Ranger Robotics
3042 Cobalt Catalysts
3161 Tronic Titans
3230 PrototypeX
3301 Patriots
3386 Tornades
3476 Code Orange
3478 LamBot
3562 LiveWire
3660 Lightsabers
3692 Rock N' Robots
3794 WinT
3812 Bits & Bots
3843 M.C.R.T. ROBO RACERS
3932 The Dirty Mechanics
3990 Tech for Kids
4055 N R G (Northwestern Robotic Gearheads)
4125 Confidential
4159 CardinalBotics
4161 T-Birds
4171 BayBots
4334 Alberta Tech Alliance (ATA)
4362 Gems
4486 Blue Prints
4522 Team SCREAM
4819 Flat Mountain Mechanics
4901 Garnet Squadron
4915 Spartronics
4935 T-Rex
4969 Iron FeNix
4977 Iron Lion
5002 Dragons
5024 Raider Robotics
5036 Robo Blue Devils
5076 Stormbots
5093 Tech - Sets
5125 Hawks on the Horizon
5172 Gators
5179 Les Sénateurs
5191 LANCERobotics
5297 BOLTZAP
5326 Optimus PRIN

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All three New England Champions on one field! Should be exciting!

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Just looking at the list this division looks super stacked! Should be very exciting!

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This list could end the curie curse

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We will take the curse on! Curses are meant to be broken!

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:yikes:

*Waves white flag*

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Where is this list from Edward Snowden? Is this official. How is it out?

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FIRST just posted them. The servers are just getting slammed right now and may or may not load for you. It is legit, I can assure you.

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SPAM, Cheesy Poofs, and Exploding Bacon!?

Most. Delicious. Division. Ever.

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Wow. This is insane. We have so many epic teams here. These elimination rounds are going to be absolutely insane. I don't even know where to start to predict the top 8.

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If this is real then this is the first time that 177 has ever been in Curie.

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NUTRONS and NUTRONS Beta on Curie... that seems fitting.

Heh.

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I'll be there!

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Same goes for Bacon.

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Regardless of division name, these are the teams I wanted to play with at CMP. I am a happy person.

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Dare I say there's actually a chance? #BreaktheCurse

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Also the same for PWNAGE. Actually PWNAGE has only been in Archimedes up until now.

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let's break the curse people, that's a pretty solid list of teams we've got to work with :)

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Looks like a good representation of Wisconsin in Curie this year. Interestingly, the 3 lowest number WI teams are here, the next 3 lowest are in Archimedes, and the highest is in Galileo.

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To increase our chances of breaking the curse, I say we sneak a second alliance onto Einstein.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the finalist alliance on Curie is as competitive as the winners from any of the other divisions. They'd never even know!

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Holy. Good luck everyone.

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WOW! What an awesome division! I am more than happy to play with such amazing teams... Let's break the Curse! :D

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:rolleyes: I guess this field is going to be nuclear.

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Fighting Pi are up for breaking the curse...our first time on Curie.

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447 is up for breaking the curse on our first trip to Curie.

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I swear every year we are in THE toughest division.
2014 is no different.
Who's going to argue that?? :ahh:

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Holy... This will be an exciting division!

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Its really nice to see that the 2 wildcard opportunities we provided in Dallas and Hawaii are both in our division.
2848 and 2443. :D

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Wooooo.... incredibly tough division.

This is also relevant with regards to the Curie 'curse'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

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As a side note...anyone have a link to an arena map showing the division field layout (assuming same as previous years if no updated map is available)?

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Dibbs on the Bobcats!!! Einstein here we come. :)

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Breakdown of Curie by max OPR:

More details to follow in a white paper

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If only the other NUTRONS were in Curie too! :p

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FIRST really went out of their way to try to break the curse this year.:)

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That was what I was thinking!

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Some basic stats based on Ed Law's sheet.

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The curse is over!!:yikes:
Hope to make it to elims ;)

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Acknowledging a curse only makes it seem real.

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If nothing else I'm excited to get to work with some of the amazing teams in this division. This is my second trip to champs as driver and this year is already looking a lot better than last. Hope to see all of you soon -2080

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1323 had an OPR of 78.47 (Their best) at Silicon Valley. The one shown on your list is from Central Valley.

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I see so much potential in this division. There are so many great teams that we can work with. So glad that were in this division. See everyone soon !!!!
-2080 Torbotics

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Oh man, we just got assigned to Curie :ahh:

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Us other Divisions are going to have to step it up to keep the Curie Curse going.

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Now that 2073 has been added as the 100th team, is there a chance we can get the Pre-Scouting db and the OPR listing updated?

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Excited to be playing in Curie for the first time since 2004

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*Added 2073
*Added 4171 (Missed because The Silicon Valley Regional was not in the data)
*Updated 1323's data because their best OPR was from Silicon Valley

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Nothing like a baptism of fire! We're excited, there's a first time for everything.

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For the Pre-Scouting PDF, what do the "considered powerhouse","unusually good", and "regional powerhouse" mean? I understand the basic idea, but can you elaborate a little on the difference?

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4901 is now ready for championship.

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It's my very subjective understanding of the teams. What you see in the posted sheet is very different from what I have now. (work in progress - for our team only) Don't take it to mean anything substantial.

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Powerhouse = have been consistently good for several years, enough that people through FIRST have heard of them. I know the names of 9 of the 10 "Powerhouse" teams.
Regional Power house = have been successful in their home town consistently but never truly shown on the world stage
Unusually good = are very competitive this year but haven't shown consistence

Anyway the titles are subjective. I would have titled some of those teams differently, any team with a high OPR and that I have never heard of would be Unusually Good. Also placing teams 11, 125, and 1323 into the regional powerhouse category.


Completely unrelated note, I am really glad 4522 made it to champs. Saw them go out in the finals in Arkansas due to fouls (thankfully that rule got changed after week 1). Any team capable of giving The Bomb Squad a run for their money this year deserves to go to St. Louis.

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Just a note to teams who might feel like they weren't recognized there - I literally took 2 minutes and only looked at the top ~20 teams in the state they are posted.

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Has Curie started a pre-event scouting Google doc yet?

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I haven't found one yet, unless I'm blind.

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Some more data for everyone to feast on. For reference, stats with a green background are "above average", OPR+CCWM Ranking is the rank of your OPR and CCWM rank together, compared to that sum of other teams (using OPR as a tiebreaker). All stats are "max", meaning they are values from the team's best performance in that field. All are taken from Ed Law or 1114's database, depending on which had which.

By the way, if you have links to robot photos and videos, I'd like to collaborate (someone should start a public pit scouting sheet :)) so I have less work there.

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1884's record is 10-5-0, not 4-5-0. The data seems to ignore elimination matches.

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This was posted last year. It's a bit blurry, but better than nothing.

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Agreed, none of the elimination matches seem to be included in these statistics? Our final record is actually 49-28-0.

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Elims are never counted in OPR/CCWM they throw off the calculation.

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I always forget when this happens every year, but do we know when the schedule is given out for divisions?

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This. I'll probably manually put in "total record" to do more justice to teams, but win/loss should be quals only, for the same reason as OPR.

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I think that seeing a team's elimination record at a glance tells you meaningful information. A team with a 12-0 elimination record certainly looks different than one with an 0-2 eliminations record.

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Yup. I know our team always shines in eliminations and I would want to know this stat about the other teams I am scouting as well. We are 18 - 5 in eliminations in 2014.
Certain teams just come to life in the playoffs every year. Its an inherent trait that may or may not be robot related. Over the years local teams come to know this about a team, but it may not translate out to all of FRC. If you have the time I would add this stat.

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Team 1629 GaCo is looking forward to competing in the Curie Division. We absolutely cannot wait to Assist any and every team we play with!!! There are some stout teams in this division, but that is why you play the game!!!!! Let's break the curse Curie!!!

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There is so much data to go through, but with this years game it isn't until the elimination rounds that most teams can really work together to take advantage of the top scoring opportunities.

Our team's OPR & CCWM really suffered during our last regional due to mechanical issues. The issues were sorted out by the time QTR finals started, and we performed at a much higher level. It will be interesting to find out what teams are looking for in an alliance partners and what data is in really important (i.e. Automous high goal accuracy) in their selection process.

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I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You can't easily do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

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6. Never loose control of the ball.

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That's 3 on my list.

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I was talking about a different type of ball contol. If you can move the ball across the field (even with truss shots) and keep control of it, you will do well.

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Speed and manuverabilty to find open shots can nullify the need for pure strength in your drivetrain. 33 did pretty well at MSC with 4 omni wheels.

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And 1114 has 4 CIMS. You don't necessarily need 6 CIMS to be able to get around effectively, though it can help.

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So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

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That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

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Why? Damage or strategy?

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Mason is right, but I don't think it's a total guarantee. 68 won IRI 2008 under the same rules without ever taking the field. I think it's a safe bet that some fourth robots eliminated earlier won't see the field at all.

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Both, probably. It's going to be a lot of matches on the road for the winning alliance, against a lot of brutal defense and varied strategies.

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I'm going out on a limb and saying that no backups will be called (in curie) until Einstein.

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That's pretty likely, with the number of robust machines on Curie we may not see the backup used at all.

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If 11 is an alliance captain, I'd put money on us running two different alliance configurations in the QFs alone. The 4th team isn't a back up plan, it's a fully interchangeable member of your alliance and it'd be silly not to use them as such.

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I said that I haven't seen a DT stronger than a 6CIM.

I know that 4CIM DT's can be more than enough depending on who you are playing against plus taking the fact some teams have shifters into account is another factor. I've never played against 1114 this year so I don't know how easily we could push them around. What I have seen is that using Orlando as reference the only teams that stood up the most to our defense were 6CIM DT's. I will also say that your team's drive-train stood up a lot better than I expected to us in that one qualifying match.

I am in no way eliminating the fact that 4CIM drivetrains can be perfectly successful.

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Depends on who it is. You could end up with no good choices and have an incapable 4th. (I think that'll be more common than people are thinking) Why bother putting a worse robot in?

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Tactical flexibility. Never underestimate the value of forcing your opponent to think on their feet.

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Agreed completely.

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I think as far as 4th robots are concerned there is something to be said about consistency. If your alliance was able to win your first match in say the quarterfinals by a large margin, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to switch a robot out. In fact, I would only consider switching if the alliance we are on lost a match pretty handedly or of course if a robot is broken. I can't think of any specific triple assist strategies that you couldn't pull off with the same robots. Perhaps I'm just not seeing a certain strategy that might be viable.

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This is true, we won IRI with 68 that year. I just have a pretty strong feeling that a majority of the alliances will (maybe should?) be picking their third and fourth bots to swap in and out. Mostly (hopefully always) strategically, less due to damage. Although, looking at the scars on our bot and the amount of defense I've witnessed at SDR and LVR, damage related swaps are always a possibility. ::ouch::

These fourth bots open up a realm of possibilities for eliminations and Einstein.

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Maybe no penalties (especially no stupid ones) should be up there somewhere?

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Look no further than the human player. If they are acting the fool and piling up penalties like a busnessman does airline miles write them off ASAP!

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Yes to this. Human players should definitely not be getting penalties at this point much less drive teams.

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Pre-scouting is started

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1375494

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I've made a pretty crude attempt to factor out event "quality" from OPRs. The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points.

There is probably a better way to normalize OPRs across events, but this seems okay.

Median adjusted
Mean adjusted
I've attached a file that contains all event OPR stats.

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So much this! Changing up your strategy between or even during a match can throw in a mind game to the opponents that could swing a match.

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"I've made a pretty crude attempt to factor out event "quality" from OPRs. The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points."

Or... teams that competed at events with less defense played get more points?

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Good catch. I only thought about the positive case.

This is correct, assuming less defense equals more points, which it doesn't always. It's hard to statistically isolate events that are defense heavy from events that don't have a lot of offensive power.

As I said this is a super crude way of doing this, and it may be rewarding points for the wrong things. I think the teams who went to DCMP events are unfairly rewarded as those events were made up of a selected pool of teams.

Anyway, all the raw data is there.

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Thanks for crunching the numbers, Tom. Any data in correct context can serve a useful purpose...

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Anyone on Curie want to join in on a scouting alliance between teams on different fields? (Details can be found here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...+championships)

We've got teams on the other 3 fields interested, but could use some representation from Curie. Thanks!

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If I'm reading this right, wouldn't this exacerbate the issue? You're adding the high average of a strong event to an already inflated OPR.

Rather, you'd want to measure how strong the event was and correct OPR with that. Simplest way would be to take the difference of the event's average OPR and the world average OPR, and subtract that from the team's OPR at that event. This would lower OPRs at stronger-than-average events and raise them at weaker ones.

Something like:

OPR - (Event Avg - World Avg)