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Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1376310)

10th best OPR in the division and can only pull a 3-7 curse you scheduling gods.

We're 11th and right there with you. But that's why they play the games.

Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmoker (Post 1376315)

The OPR predictor had us going like 5-7 and finishing 33rd in Boston. We went 9-3 and finished third. Take it for what it's worth. In this game OPR is not everything. Three bots, with good strategy, working together, can do what the OPR predictor says they can't.

It's all about not getting penalties really, most of these matches should be within 1 cycle, especially if you're a high OPR bot and it says you'll lose.

I don't take OPR seriously this year after our match in Lansing where OPR had us losing by 100 pts, then we realized no one on the other team could actually score the ball.

Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1376310)

10th best OPR in the division and can only pull a 3-7 curse you scheduling gods.

9th and we have 6-4.
As we found out at the Chesapeake regional OPR can be raised for teams that necessarily don't have that OPR if they have good qualification alliances.

Re: Galileo 2014

What we all have to keep in mind is that Championships is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is really in control of their situation, not even the "power houses". In addition, this game is interesting in the way that unexpected things can happen. Nothing is really predictable.

Re: Galileo 2014

I added collumn T "Wheel/Tread". Please fill this out too! Examples are roughtop, mecanum, kop wheel, the various vex wheels, etc... Essentially looking for what kind of traction you have.

Thanks,
Adam

Re: Galileo 2014

Hi Galileo Partners,

Team 2471, Team Mean Machine is excited to be on Galileo. I ran some statistics and found that our strength of schedule is fairly average, ranking 61st hardest. I averaged our partners and our opposition using Ed Law's spreadsheet numbers for highest tournament OPR. The difficulty number is how many points higher your opponents are than your partners. Your own OPR is not included. Higher numbers represent a harder schedule. I see why Shockwave is happy with their schedule. :] Go PNW! You can find your results here:

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Rank        Team        Partner        Oppos        Difficulty

1        179        40.78        62.19        21.41

2        3310        45.01        66.29        21.27

3        384        48.03        66.82        18.78

4        225        47.37        65.81        18.43

5        771        47.53        65.78        18.25

6        4288        47.09        60.78        13.68

7        5122        50.73        64.11        13.38

8        4917        50.79        63.91        13.11

9        4536        52.45        65.19        12.73

10        4476        50.62        62.81        12.19

11        2337        49.43        60.78        11.35

12        488        50.48        61.61        11.12

13        4063        50.7        61.78        11.08

14        188        51.76        62.52        10.76

15        3316        55.03        65.77        10.74

16        2974        52.14        61.77        9.62

17        5320        55.46        64.58        9.12

18        836        52.64        61.26        8.62

19        2665        53.14        60.76        7.61

20        337        56.1        63.08        6.98

21        4256        55.32        62.28        6.96

22        193        54.75        61.38        6.62

23        955        56.12        62.73        6.6

24        148        52.64        59.19        6.54

25        2424        54.96        61.25        6.29

26        1885        59        64.23        5.22

27        857        56.41        61.3        4.89

28        2642        55.77        60.32        4.54

29        1717        53.03        57.4        4.37

30        1011        60.03        63.92        3.88

31        3103        57.64        61.32        3.68

32        5137        61.29        64.91        3.61

33        5098        51.58        55.06        3.48

34        604        57.29        60.18        2.88

35        70        55.9        58.18        2.28

36        217        56.8        59.08        2.28

37        67        60.01        62.16        2.14

38        2481        56.01        57.91        1.89

39        766        57        58.59        1.58

40        884        60.83        62.29        1.46

41        4979        58.39        59.73        1.33

42        1515        59.44        60.15        0.7

43        3191        58.28        58.7        0.42

44        1683        58.56        58.76        0.19

45        2363        57.92        57.9        -0.02

46        4940        59.02        58.91        -0.12

47        228        56.18        55.79        -0.39

48        1730        59.37        58.9        -0.48

49        79        57.51        56.95        -0.56

50        3360        56.12        55.46        -0.67

51        1266        56.97        56.03        -0.94

52        3008        57.13        56.04        -1.09

53        4985        54.13        52.87        -1.26

54        4982        60.35        59.06        -1.29

55        5145        62.49        61.1        -1.39

56        2135        61.73        60.24        -1.5

57        126        55.74        54.12        -1.63

58        1775        60.46        58.82        -1.65

59        1310        63.07        60.86        -2.21

60        2177        63.78        61.56        -2.23

61        2471        57.34        55.12        -2.23

62        3480        62.99        60.52        -2.47

63        1334        58.26        55.23        -3.04

64        558        58.11        54.86        -3.26

65        303        62.97        59.52        -3.45

66        4945        58.01        54.45        -3.57

67        714        62.43        58.79        -3.65

68        1023        59.95        56.23        -3.72

69        1153        64.44        60.45        -4

70        4965        54.39        50.2        -4.2

71        2122        59.7        55.34        -4.37

72        4060        58.88        54.38        -4.5

73        973        62.38        57.62        -4.77

74        1218        61.9        56.97        -4.93

75        4991        57.29        52.29        -5

76        45        52.41        47.14        -5.27

77        1318        64.63        58.87        -5.76

78        3504        64.89        58.98        -5.92

79        2052        66.5        60.51        -5.99

80        176        69.18        62.97        -6.22

81        3683        59.14        52.77        -6.37

82        869        64.34        57.66        -6.68

83        5012        61.1        54.27        -6.83

84        3937        63.73        56.29        -7.44

85        353        64.65        56.51        -8.14

86        1756        64.24        55.89        -8.35

87        3098        66.13        57.66        -8.48

88        4176        67.84        58.77        -9.08

89        5148        63.72        52.62        -11.1

90        4967        64.61        53.45        -11.16

91        2980        69.56        57.04        -12.52

92        494        67.57        54.48        -13.1

93        862        67.89        54.6        -13.3

94        1108        66.6        53.3        -13.3

95        4488        65.18        50.12        -15.07

96        365        69.85        54.64        -15.22

97        3309        63.75        48.27        -15.48

98        4719        72.59        54.76        -17.83

99        3138        73.91        53.69        -20.22

100        1610        74.9        54.35        -20.55

                                

avg OPR        58.64777914        Average Difficulty                0.0009

                Standard Deviation                8.889776456

                2 Standard Deviations                17.77955291

                                

Hard Outliers:                                

1        179        40.78        62.19        21.41

2        3310        45.01        66.29        21.27

3        384        48.03        66.82        18.78

4        225        47.37        65.81        18.43

5        771        47.53        65.78        18.25

                                

Easy Outliers:                                

98        4719        72.59        54.76        -17.83

99        3138        73.91        53.69        -20.22

100        1610        74.9        54.35        -20.55

Re: Galileo 2014

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Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1374943)

Rank 1-10 is basically a grouping for the 100 teams in the division it is based of OPR.

Top 10 Team = Group 10
11-20 = Group 9
etc

Kiss Pass = Bumper to Bumper Pass between robots (Does your intake have to come outside your FP to pass the ball off)

0 = No, 1 = Yes, and H = Truss to Human

Ignore the Matches Tab (now deleted) I used my 2013 version as a template.

Thanks,
-Clinton-

For goalie pole it is just 0 or 1, what do you want us to do to indicate we can block shots over the low goals as well?

Re: Galileo 2014

We just noticed theres a very large gap between our first match (Quals 9 at ~9:48 AM) to our second match (Quals 33 at ~1:12 PM) which is after lunch. Looks like if we discover somethings wrong in our first match (Which is unlikely) we'll definetly have time to fix it.

Re: Galileo 2014

I've been reading some of the posts...especially after the rankings based on OPR were posted and while its a nice thought...and i hope it happens....never say never.....OPR might be better suited for regionals and districts...but CMP being the wayit is always has been and can be very unpredictable. I really can't see predicting seedings based on OPR at CMP.

What OPR can't and doesn't tell you are things like what happens when a veteran driver gets sick and you put a timid rookie driver in...or if you lose communication during a match...or an alliance partner gets knocked over...or
your Power board goes out and you can't run in the next match while you fix it.

We've had things like this happen....
In our first year and our first year going to CMP we did pretty well after our regional at Va. But during our third match at CMP one of our joy sticks died on us....we didn't know why until later, but that was something going in we
didn't count on happening.

Last year we had a half decent robot and decided to try and improve it for CMP....well you know the old saying...if its not broke don't fix it....we ended up working almost the entire time at CMP to at least get it back to the way it was....well we started to work better in our last couple matches....and in our last match we thought we'd at least have a chance to win that one. We were with team 33...one of the "better" teams....the alliance had a plan...but during the match it fell apart and we didn't win that or any other match we had. Funny how our match schedule ranking is 100th....especially after coming in being ranked 100th in our division last year. Maybe First is giving us a break....who knows....

Even this year things happened we didn't expect....We went to Chesapeake and did pretty well. We were predicted to lose two matches though. A match we should have won we didn't and the one we were predicted to lose we won. In our second match on Saturday we fiqured we'd win it because we were doing good and we were with team 233 (yes that pink team from Florida)...We'll the first mistake was made even before the match started...and so were several others during the match. We ended up losing that match by only 6 points....Had we won it would have changed not only our seeding, but 233's...and that probably would have changed the outcome of eliminations at Chesapeake....

This is why i'm a bit leary of rankings by OPR.
like i said...i hope its true...but i'm prepared either way.

Re: Galileo 2014

FRC OPR suffers from small sample size and inability to normalize across regionals or even weeks of play. It's outright ridiculous to think that it means anything tangible when it comes to ranking teams in a Division.

To put it in a different perspective, which would we rather have: OPR or Youtube? There are 4 solid days between now and Qual Match 1, so there is almost no excuse to use OPR for most teams come Thursday.

Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1376477)

In all competitions people talk stats. It's a way to attempt to predict how well one team or another will do. So, while I agree with the statement above, there is no way to stop the reading of the crystal ball.

I do recommend that everyone watch youtube though. :)

Re: Galileo 2014

The attach PDF has every teams matches from the preliminary schedule by team each page of the report is its own team by number. Not sure if anyone will find it useful but wanted everyone to know Team 2642 - Pitt Pirates is looking forward to the competition on Galileo and wants to help everyone compete.

Re: Galileo 2014

One major thing to remember about OPR, is that it's a linear measure. When the game is non-linear (ie. Assists dependent upon robots) than OPR isn't a very useful metric. Last year was a decent use of OPR because the scoring progression was linear (Disks, goal, repeat, climb).

Our team uses OPR as a fun statistic to calculate, but we rely fully on our own scouting when creating a strategy and eliminations picks.

Re: Galileo 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcroucher (Post 1376381)

Hard Outliers:
1 179 40.78 62.19 21.41
2 3310 45.01 66.29 21.27
3 384 48.03 66.82 18.78
4 225 47.37 65.81 18.43
5 771 47.53 65.78 18.25

Easy Outliers:
98 4719 72.59 54.76 -17.83
99 3138 73.91 53.69 -20.22
100 1610 74.9 54.35 -20.55
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What are outliers?