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A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.
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To be on that alliance on Einstein would be beyond amazing! |
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But yes, we were surprised we fell that far. We knew we were going to fall because we weren't a tall FCS, nor did we have a ground intake. We just weren't expecting to fall that far. We were ranked #10 in the FRC Top 25 going in to champs. So we didn't really "fly under the radar." Our 112 point single-handed match was a popular video, and showed us doing 3 auton discs and 7 cycles without missing a single disc, and dodging defenders. People knew who we were, and that we had a pretty good robot. In fact, a lot of "pure cyclers" fell really far last year - not just us. I will even go as far to say that a lot of "decent shooters" will fall significantly this year, with some missing elims altogether because alliances chose to pick superior inbounders + defenders instead. So I guess my response to all the "far-fetched" alliances proposed in this thread: "Crazier things have happened... especially at champs." |
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I think the specialized teams will be taken on the 8 ->1 selections then the rest of the pretty strong carry teams will end up being the second 1 -> 8. |
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Maybe Overdrive needed a third trackball for each alliance, or more lap points in teleop. As I recall, 2008 was a challenging year for referees also. |
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http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m1 http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m2 Only at IRI..... |
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This is also back when 2056 was 'Patriotics' rather than 'OP Robotics'...took me a second to get used to that when the announcer said their name. |
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My favorite game :)
A: 20 2056 1538 334 C: 254 469 177 842 G: 1717 67 973 869 N: 1114 16 25 1574 A over C N over G A over N Go Archimedes! |
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Using predicted standings to figure out who the captains are and then using max OPR to figure out who they are going to pick, this is what I got for Einstein:
Archimedes: 1477, 1625, 175, 2607 Curie: 469, 1718, 230 , 1732 Galileo: 3683, 148, 70, 1730 Newton: 1986, 1114, 3928, 3824 Curie over Archimedes Newton over Galileo Curie World Champions I don't like how the data came out, so I'm just leaving this here for now in case any of these alliances come true. Feel free to bug me if you want the other alliances that formed. There aren't that many surprises in terms of seeding upsets when it comes to OPR. |
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Winners: 2nd Seed *2056, 33, 20, 2158 Finalists: 1st Seed 1477, 1625, 4911, 1816 *Team declined the 1st Seed Curie Winners: 5th Seed *1718, 359, 624, 1714 Finalists: 2nd Seed 1241, 118, 11, 3015 *Team declined the 3rd Seed Galileo Winners: 1st Seed 67, 148, 1730, 1717 Finalists: 6th Seed 836, 188, 973, 1218 Newton Winners: 3rd Seed 610, 1678, 330, 1983 Finalists: 1st Seed 1986, 1114, 3284, 1806 Einstein 2013 World Champions: 67, 148, 1730, 1717 Finalists: 2056, 33, 20, 2158 |
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However, scouting hiccups happen, unexpected teams seed high, teams under perform and then explode in the elims, etc. I'm sure no one expected the alliance of 1241, 610, and 1477 to ever happen last year. That's what makes an unpredictable game so unpredictable. To give another example: People doubted that 217 would be the 24th pick in Newton last year. Quote:
#stlouisforstlouis #mammothofmissouri #iamtitanium #swatthesehatersoffme #driventoeinstein #firem4hlaser :cool: #rememberthealamo |
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Since the predicted ranks came out Im gonna revise my predictions:
Archimedes: 1st Seed: 1477,2485,20,900 Curie: 2nd Seed:1241,254,1501,2478 Galileo: 6th Seed: 67,1717,2481,179 Newton: 2nd Seed: 971,1114,610,3147 Einstein: Curie V Archimedes Winner Curie Newton V Galileo Winner Newton Curie V Newton Winner and Champion Curie |
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I don't know where you guys are all getting this idea that 20 is going to be the 16th selection on Archimedes. 20 is a top 5 team in the division, excelling at any role in the game. About the only thing they can't do is a point blank low goal high shot. Barring some kind of catastrophe I don't expect them to escape the first round.
Once EWCPCast airs I'll make predictions based on the bracket generated in the show. The show bracket ignores strength of schedule, carried teams, bad scouting so it may not be the most accurate but this is for fun anyway, right? |
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Winners: 2056, 33, 900, 2158 Curie Winners: 254, 624, 4522, 1714 Galileo Winners: 148, 3683, 1730, 217 Newton Winners: 1986, 16, 3284, 111 Einstein 2014 World Champions: 254, 624, 4522, 1714 Finalists: 148, 3683, 1730, 217 |
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My picks:
Archimedes: 2056, 33, 2444, 2158 Curie: 254, 624, 11, 1718 Galileo: 67, 148, 1730, 3937 Newton: 1114, 1285, 341, 3847 G vs C, Cuire A vs. N, Archimedes Winner: Archimedes |
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33,1918,503-Archimedies (F)
67,494,217-Galileo (W) 68,74,1714-Curie (SF) 314,1678,2085 (SF) |
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Ok, here are my crazy predictions.
Arch: 2nd seed 2056-1625-175-2067 Curie: 3rd seed 254-177-4055-1629 Galileo: 1st seed 67-973-179-494 Newton: 1st seed 1114-971-341-25 C beats A in 3 G beats N in 2 G beats C in 2 973's goalie post and 179's terrible match schedule end up making the difference for this powerful alliance. Plus 67 has learned from their loss in MSC and will not let defense stand in their way. 177 continues where they left off after a less than spectacular 1st seed "scorches" 254 into the 3rd seed captain. 2056 and 1625 pair up for a second Einstein trip together, but again only win the second of the three match-ups against 177. 341 falls in the selections similar to at MAR Champs giving that alliance a breeze to Einstein, and the strategic power behind the glass brings them within just a few points of a win in both Einstein matches. Can't wait to see all of this proven wrong over the next few days. Good luck teams! |
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I could not agree more. Yes I have some local personal bias to team 20 but from watching many webcast this year and seeing them all season they are one of the most complete teams around. Along with the fact that they have outstanding strategy and execution. I think they are the most underrated team going into the championship.Especially after winning 2 regionals.
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Little late in the game but here's my predictions for the Champs based off of predicted final rankings and seedings
ARC: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671 CUR: 254, 469, 2403, 772 GAL: 67, 1717, 1023, 558 NEW: 1114, 610, 997, 5188 ARC over CUR GAL over NEW ARC over GAL World Champs: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671 Finalists: 67, 1717, 1023, 558 |
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