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dodar 20-04-2014 19:58

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376943)
You have doubt in your team winning the Championship? If you go in with that mindset...

That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:11

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1376946)
That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

The thought of winning it all? That's a nice feeling ... one that we don't even dream of ...

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:14

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1376944)
In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.

Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

AdamHeard 20-04-2014 20:15

Re: Einstein 2014
 
ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:15

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376953)
Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:17

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376955)
This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

An even more valid point...

I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.

Richard Wallace 20-04-2014 20:51

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376958)
I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.

Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:54

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1376972)
Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

Abhishek R 20-04-2014 20:56

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376977)
And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

148 designed their robot to primarily run laps around the field as quickly as possible.

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:58

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376977)
And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

I believe he is talking about 148 in 2008. They were really only a drivetrain,but an amazing one at that. Their soul strategy was to gain as many 'laps' as possible, scoring points without the main objective, the GIANT ball.

2008 Einstein Finals 2: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008ein_f1m2

Edit:Abhishek beat me to it.

Cory 20-04-2014 21:29

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1376972)
Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.


*
*1114, 217, 148

Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.

Grim Tuesday 20-04-2014 21:41

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1377023)
Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.

Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

Kabir Manghnani 20-04-2014 21:45

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1377029)
Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

I believe Cory meant that year in particular, 1114's robot in 2008 was pretty spectacular, a design that a lot of teams have borrowed from for this season.

Abhishek R 20-04-2014 21:46

Re: Einstein 2014
 
A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.

ErvinI 20-04-2014 21:49

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1377029)
Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

148 made no statistical difference in terms of wins for the 1114/217/148 alliance. For the 469/1114 alliance, they could have had anything from JVN's fridge to 67 as their third robot and yet they still would have lost that second match because the third robot would get stuck in the goal.


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