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Einstein 2014
With the divisions just being released and all the excitement of this great time of year. It's time to place your opinions on who will make it the final field Einstein.
My picks: Curie 125,469,2478,1501 Newton 1114, 314,3147,1126 Archimedes 1625,33,900,1086 Galileo 67,148,2481,70 Champion of Aerial Assist Galileo vs Curie Winner Curie Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person |
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Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?
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Oh OH! I like this one. It has me beating my brother and thus proving I am the superior Schreiber! MWHAHAHA |
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Archimedes: 33/20/3467/2175
Curie: 254/180/2013/4901 Galileo: 67/179/2337/558 Newton: 368/1114/340/1640 A vs C: Curie G vs N: Newton Curie vs Newton: Newton This would be one of the best Einstein Finals in a long time. Very, very close 3 matches. |
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I'm predicting that 33 and 27 will get together again and make it. No idea about the rest though.
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Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330 Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973 Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399 This is exciting just to think about. |
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I pick the top 4 teams in max opr to somehow be allowed to align and win their respective divisions. I pick Curie to win in Einstein because the internet told me they were stacked.
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I usually don't make predictions, but this'll be my first time attending champs, so I might as well put some fun into this whole predicting thing.
The divisions are powerful this year (though they are every year), and due to the dynamic nature of this year's game and the inclusion of a fourth robot on each alliance at champs, I will not even attempt to hazard a guess at the third pick for each team. That being said, on to the alliances. 4 divisions, 12 teams. Archimedes: 33, 2056, 1662 Curie: 254, 469, 865 Galileo: 67, 148, 766 Newton: 1114, 610, 5188 The breakdown: Archimedes: They truss, they shoot high, they maneuver with finesse, and they have very powerful and experienced drive coaches. 33 and 2056 are two very different robots who know how to play the same game very well. For the most part, there is nothing that one can do that the other can't, and they will abuse this ability to switch roles between and sometimes even within matches to create an intense mind game against their opponents, making them almost unpredictable in both their movements and their strategies. Like all alliances, they are going to look for a third partner who can start an assist cycle quickly and simply, but unlike most alliances they will also want their alliance member to be able to play multiple roles just like them, to further increase the versatility of this alliance. Because of this, the Michigan and Canadian powerhouses will pick 1662, Raptor Force Engineering, from Lodi, California. With 1662's flat body and simple intake, they will easily be able to inbound from the human player and quickly feed their partners in any way possible. However not only does Raptor Force have a high potential for inbounding, their shooting abilities are also powerful, and if they can launch the ball before an opponent knocks it out of them, their versatility could provide a great unexpected truss shot to a human player or even a high goal score. Curie: People thought Curie had a great chance last year, and an even greater one in 2010, but nobody can deny that while we all know better than to expect the curse to magically go away, there's something with the lineup this year that gives us all that one thought, buried in the back of our minds, that maybe...just maybe....this'll be the year. While the division is(double) stacked, the winning alliance will be headed by Team 254, The Cheesy Poofs. Dubbed the "winningest team of all time" (and for a good reason), the Poofs and their robot Barrage will bombard the competition with their highly versatile style of play and their 65 pt. CheesyVision™-assisted autonomous. While the team with the most swag usually finds success as the run and gun scorer of the alliance, as seen at Waterloo they are well versed in any position they play in, including trussing machine and defensive beast. That being said, I can still see their preferred alliance role as the catcher and scorer of their alliance, and they've been itching to abuse their sweet catching system. Their pick is going to be a machine that will be able to play just as many roles as they do, but can also assist (no pun intended) them in their goal of as many cycles in as little time possible. For that, their answer lies with perennial Michigan powerhouse 469. The Las Guerrillas machine is simply made of magic and innovation, because if you look closely you can't find much else holding the machine together. Despite not being as aesthetically pleasing as 254's robot, the 469 beast is going to be one of the most well-engineered machines on the field, and their abilities to work well with 254's robot will make them an excellent alliance partner. Rounding out the alliance will be 865, Warp 7. Warp 7 won the Waterloo regional with 254 just a few weeks back, and while many other teams won't see the use in them, 254 will know from their experience in the cold, cold north that this team will be an amazing steal in the alliance selections. 865 will play the usual 'start the cycle' strategy that many second picks are often seen doing, and just like at 'loo they'll surprise everyone with their ability to start quickly and end quickly. Galileo: The division of the father of modern science will be filled with just that - modern science. The big teams here have been around since the beginning, but are still the ones making the next big things for us all to be amazed by. Luckily for everyone one of the many inventions that utilizes the physics brought around by our friend the Italian scientist is the air conditioning, which will be needed greatly because this division will be hot, hot, HOT. That's right, 67 is back in Galileo after a 5 year absence, and they're ready to repeat their victory from 2009. High power, high scoring, and the knowledge and experience of 3 world championship titles are going to launch the HOT team high into the rankings and heat up the competition. Of course the only thing to compliment the heat is more heat, and that can only be found in Texas. Contrary to popular belief, the dark side isn't cooler - it's hotter, and this is further proven by the red and black aura of 148's decadrive drifting, dual saber-wielding robot Vader. These two teams will put the pressure on their opponents while they play a high-paced and fast action game. The only way this heated alliance can raise the temperature will be to go to the west coast and enlist in the assistance of 766, making an alliance that nobody on Galileo will be able to bear. 766 has proven itself as not only a great inbounder, but also time and time again showcased their ability to shut down opponents with a style of defense that ain't too familiar to us west coast folk. The team from Menlo Atherton High School will only multiply this alliance's already searing strategy by putting their friction to the test as they shut down one of their opponents turning the game into a 3 on 2. This alliance will be one of the hottest on Einstein. There will be burnt motors and magic smoke. Newton: The antithesis of the Galileo alliance, Newton knows cold, and they're not going to be afraid to use it. While it took 3 competitions to get things just right, 1114 and Simbot Evolution will hit the ground at champs running at full speed, and they don't plan on stopping anytime soon. The Simbots have ditched their much loved surgical tubing punch that many teams have adapted from SS for a sleeker and more refined wheeled shooter, and this is going to separate them from all of the other SS-inspired designs. That being said, I see SS Jr. playing very much like his father before him and shooting large exercise balls over a truss. Yup, 1114 knows strategy, and they know how to maximize points in their alliance. In order to do so, they want a robot who scores better than them, and luckily they know of one who is only a little over 112 km away from them. That's right, another powerhouse from the north, Team 610 is going to compliment the 1114-lead alliance quite nicely. Their multi-axis intake alongside their accurate and fast shooting will allow the 1114 alliance to shoot to a human player, quickly load it into 610, and have that ball scored within a matter of seconds. 610 is looking for a back to back championship win, and this is looking like one of their best bets. Unlike a lot of these alliances, 1114 and 610 won't just be going for speed, they'll also be going for raw power. Both the Simbots and the Coyotes know how to push robots around and get through tough defense, and this ability will set them apart from the rest when it comes down to Einstein. Because of this, they need a third robot who has years of experience with high power offense and high power defensive play. Unfortunately 469 is in Curie, but not far from Michigan is a rookie team from Terre Haute, Indiana, who is mentored by 3 recent 469 alumni. 5188 is going to fly under most team's radars being a rookie who only attended one event, but what many won't see is that they not only won highest rookie seed and RAS at the Crossroads regional, but they also took home the gold at the event as the second pick in the second alliance. With a professional-looking West Coast Drive driving a 469-style robot, this team has the power and experience that 1114 and 610 will be looking for to round out their alliance. Einstein matches: There are no clear victors here, and I expect most if not all matchups will go to three matches. That being said, here is what I see as a possible outcome: Archimedes vs. Curie - 33, 2056, 1662 vs. 254, 469, 865 This will be a tough one, as the first two robots on each side are equally powerful. This is going to come down to the third robot on each alliance, and unfortunately 1662's flat design will allow the ball to get knocked out of their possession at a crucial time, losing them the matchup. Curie wins in 3 matches. Galileo vs. Newton - 67, 148, 766 vs. 1114, 610, 5188 The killer here is going to be defense played while offense is played, a tricky combination that will only be successfully executed by the Newton division teams. It will be a tough match in the beginning, but with 1114 blocking 148 midfield while trussing to their human player and 610 counter defending 766 while scoring the balls they get, things will quickly swing towards the blue alliance side. Newton wins in 2, maybe 3 matches. The final matchup: Curie vs. Newton - 254, 469, 865 vs. 1114, 610, 5188 The Curie alliance won their last few matches against Archimedes because of the solidity of their robots even though offensively the alliances were equal. The Newton team took their victory against Galileo because of their ability to defend and score at the same time. However here there is an equal match in those regards. To be honest there is no way I can even compare these two alliances, let alone determine a winner, so I cannot accurately predict a winner. Because of the nature of this game and the fact that it is indeed Aerial Assault, I'm gonna have Curie break the curse and win because of a foul. First two matches are very close, first one going to red alliance, second one going to blue alliance, result is Curie winning the final match because of a sketchy call of G12 that nobody will be able to prove but won't be redacted, being the sole reason the curse is broken. 254 and 469 get their second championship wins, and 865 gets their first. Well, that's all I have to say about this whole thing. Lunacy was an inside job. Karthik for President. Water Game. |
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Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469 Galileo: 67+836+148+225 Newton: 1114+1986+16+610 Final: Curie vs Newton Winner: Curie |
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Might as well try this again. Note that I'm usually really bad at predictions, but I'll just have some fun with it:
Archimedes: Team 33 Killer Bees is going to dominate the Archimedes Division and seed first, and with that first pick they will take 2056 OP Robotics. With these two dominating the scoring, they pick up Team 2067 Apple Pi with the last pick of the second round for their great intake and swerve drive defense. They’ll use their final pick on 4265 Secret City Wildbots. Although they’ll play against some good alliances, they’ll have no trouble reaching the big show. Curie: This stacked division is looking to break the Curse once again. With so many proven teams on this field, any alliance one through eight could crack through to Einstein, and that is precisely what will happen as the 5 seed goes to the big stage. Alliance Captain 987 The Highrollers will lead the charge, picking up 177 The Bobcats and their six Einstein appearances. This alliance will pick up wildcard team 1323 Madtown Robotics and 772 the Sabre Bytes. This veteran alliance will not have an easy road, especially against alliances with 254, 469, 118, 11, 1718 and 624, but they will find a way to make it through. Galileo: After the perennial powerhouses such as 67, 148, 1717, and 2337 go to the first 2 or 3 seeds, PNW superstar 4488 Shockwave will be the Galileo Champion alliance captain with their two ball autonomous and great catapult. They’ll pick up Canada’s own 3683 Team Dave in the first round due to their great ability as a shooter, trusser, or passer. At the tail end of the draft, this alliance will pick up the youngsters of 4476 W.A.F.F.L.E.S., who will be a great passer for this alliance. In the third and final round, they’ll pick up overlooked 126 Gael Force as a solid replacement at any spot in the cycle, and for their fantastic truss to the Human Player strategy. It won’t be pretty, will require lots of third matches, usage of all four robots, and some luck, but this alliance will prevail over the superstars on Galileo thanks to their versatility. Newton: 1986 will seed first and pick Canadian powerhouse 1114, but the best alliance will start with the second alliance captain, team 1678 The Citrus Circuits, with their versatility and amazing double intake, and they will pick team 610 The Coyotes to join them. As the draft unfolds, this 2nd seed alliance will pick up 3313 Mechatronics and their hammer, and then will pick up 811 Cardinals as a solid backup bot. They will have to play the likes of 971, 4039, 1592, and 1983, but they will prevail and move onto Einstein. Einstein: Archimedes vs Curie: These two alliances will play some high scoring, tough matches, but the shooting of 2056 and 33 will overpower the Curie Alliance. Winner: Archimedes Galileo vs Newton: While Galileo played great to get to Einstein, they simply won’t be able to match up to the teamwork of the Newton alliance, who will outscore them in two tough matches. Winner: Newton Archimedes vs Newton: The scoring of Archimedes will be ferocious, but Newton’s teamwork and quick assists will be a tough matchup. After three hard matches, Archimedes pulls through with the win, the first championship for teams 33, 2056, 2067, and 4265. |
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There are a lot of robots better than 610's on Newton, though. If we somehow make it back to Einstein or even division finals, I would be more than happy with our performance. Champs is pretty crazy, though, so you never know how eliminations will play out. Also, you talked about 865 and how they might be the third robot for the Curie alliance. Not only is their inbounding incredibly quick, but they also play possibly the best defence I've seen between both regionals 610 attended this year. I've talked about them a bit with some of my teammates, and we decided that any alliance would be happy with Warp 7 because they're so great at what they do. In my opinion, they have the potential to change the outcome of eliminations. I suggest that the teams in Curie pay close attention to them when making a pick list. |
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I really am wondering apart from these alliances being "dreams" how effective it would be against an extremely strong defensive alliance. We saw many teams around the world get defeated when statistically speaking they should have won. Sooooo... Curie Curse SHALL BE BROKEN via penalties. Which would be so nice.
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Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254 Galileo: 254+254+254+254 Newton: 254+254+254+254 254 beats 254 in 2 254 beats 254 in 3 254 wins in 2. |
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Archimedes: 33, 2056, 2978, 4583
Galileo: 67, 148, 1266, 4476 Curie: 254, 987, 2478, 4161 Newton: 610, 16, 3847, 2486 Finals: Galileo vs Curie Winner: Galileo Sorry, new to this "picks" thing :P |
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Is it going to change this year? If not, then Curie vs. Galileo can happen during the finals, which is what happened in 2012. An easy way to remember which teams face each other in the semis is alphabetical order. A and C come before G and N, so SFs are A vs C and G vs N. |
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It probably might change then, if it wasn't the same two years in a row.
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Archimedes- 27-1477-1538-1540
Curie 254-987-2468-1902 Galileo $148.67-1023-1730 Newton- 1986-16-1806-340, In my dreams. |
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Has anybody interested in this thread taken a class on statistics?
To attempt a prediction of the outcomes of the divisions is an exercise in futility. Too much data and random choices involved. (Remember, these are high school students scouting and speculating. It's actually kind of cool, creative, and quite random.) Two ideas: - Not about the Robot. - Einstein will be awesome this year (Goalie Bots!). That being said, here is my exercise in futility: Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319 Curie: 118, 4334, 4055 Galileo: 67, 558, 2337 Newton: 1114,16, 58 Haz Warren Buffett my 1 billion dollars? The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision! No scores over 200 on Einstein. Remember, you heard it here FIRST |
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I like the odds of Galileo division winning go 67!!
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So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
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Alright, I'm going to make my Einstein predictions the same way I make my FRCTop25 votes
Division: Alliance# Teams Archimedes: #3 27, 33, 2137, 2834 (27-33 mandatory) Curie: #3 1718, 469, 4362, 74 Galileo: #2 2337, 67, 862, 857 (67 will accept this time) Newton: #8 3539, 314, 2054, 910 (how any of these teams could be a 3rd pick is beyond me) Curie beats Archimedes Newton beats Galileo Newton beats Curie |
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Excellent idea, in my opinion. Allows for easier changing of strategy to suit the next match. |
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The four alliance system is alot like the 3 alliance system in FTC. If you didnt know FTC is 2v2 and yet their alliances are always 3 team. I love the strategy that can come out of an extra alliance member in special situations. In 2010 my FTC Champion alliance constantly swapped which ones of the three of us were on the field.
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Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances! Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781 Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648 Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193 Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415 Curie beat Archimedes, Galileo beats Newton, Galileo beats Curie. Disclaimer: I realize a lot of these picks won't be around for the 8th alliance, or even that round of selections. No offense is meant by these predictions, all 16 of these teams are top contenders in their respective division. |
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I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance. Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it? |
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A good goalie bot could change the outcome of a match, but there aren't too many good goalie bots out there.
I also think we'll see considerably lower scores and lots of upsets than usual because of the crazy defense. The teams that win their divisions will be ones where all three members of the alliance play defense when they don't have the ball. I'm curious to see what teams do with the 4th member of the alliance. If I'm understanding the rules correctly, you could be a world champion, without ever playing in an elimination match. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819idQnXwxw#t=18 I expect to see at least someone like this on Einstein or at least as a prominent force in division elims. Too many multi-ball autons are susceptible to this strategy. |
Out of all these predictions I'm seeing 971 less than I would have thought. Undefeated this season is quite a achievement especially considering one of those regionals was SVR. I'm not going to claim they are assured to win anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Einstein.
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1323 almost gets the block here. |
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4048 Blocked two shots at NE Champs |
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You know what they call the fourth robot in the alliance that wins Einstein? Champion. |
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Holy crap! Our entire team is overjoyed that we have been noticed by two different posters in this! (Seriously, our team members who follow CD were freaking out) You've made our day. Thank you both for the shoutouts! |
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Obviously people were watching the LVR webcast or archived vids of eliminations:D
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Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11 Galileo : 67, 148, 3310 Newton : 1114, 1986, 610 Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie Galileo vs. Newton : Newton Curie vs. Newton : Newton So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ... |
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This goes for most of the predictions in this thread. 1241, 610, 27, 11, 330, 1477, 469 etc. are all captains and/or first picks... NOT third picks. |
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With that said, here are my picks:
Archimedes: 33 27 3525 Curie: 254 118 3015 Galileo: 148 67 2363 Newton: 1114 1285 3928 Archimedes over Curie Newton over Galileo Archimedes in 3 |
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I know that these alliances are highly unlikely but here goes my shot
Archimedes :27,33,51 note the all michigan alliance :cool: Curie:254,125,2451 Galileo:67,148,3098 Newton:1986,1114,1806 A v. C A wins G v. N G wins A v. G after three super long matches A pulls out a win |
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Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928 Curie wins in 2 Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937 Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817 Newton wins in 3 Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928 Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817 Newton wins in 3 |
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ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.
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I suppose crazier things HAVE happened. |
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Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time. * *1114, 217, 148 |
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2008 Einstein Finals 2: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008ein_f1m2 Edit:Abhishek beat me to it. |
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