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RoboAlum 16-04-2014 14:59

Einstein 2014
 
With the divisions just being released and all the excitement of this great time of year. It's time to place your opinions on who will make it the final field Einstein.

My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
Newton
1114, 314,3147,1126
Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086
Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person

Electronica1 16-04-2014 15:02

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

RoboAlum 16-04-2014 15:05

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1374755)
Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

Yeah I forgot about that so use to the 3 teams

JohnFogarty 16-04-2014 15:05

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1374755)
Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

Correct.

Alan Anderson 16-04-2014 15:22

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1374751)
Winner Curie

You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

RoboAlum 16-04-2014 15:27

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1374792)
You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

Yeah I think Curie has an amazing list of teams just like everyone else but I do think Curie will finally win it this year.

Andrew Schreiber 16-04-2014 15:29

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1374751)
With the divisions just being released and all the excitement of this great time of year. It's time to place your opinions on who will make it the final field Einstein.

My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
Newton
1114, 314,3147,1126
Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086
Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person



Oh OH! I like this one. It has me beating my brother and thus proving I am the superior Schreiber! MWHAHAHA

Jaxom 16-04-2014 15:30

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1374792)
You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 15:32

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1374805)
Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

Why wait when you can see it in person in 2014 :)

dodar 16-04-2014 15:45

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes: 33/20/3467/2175

Curie: 254/180/2013/4901

Galileo: 67/179/2337/558

Newton: 368/1114/340/1640

A vs C: Curie

G vs N: Newton

Curie vs Newton: Newton

This would be one of the best Einstein Finals in a long time. Very, very close 3 matches.

MooreteP 16-04-2014 15:45

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1374805)
Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

CUBS WIN!

Bryce Paputa 16-04-2014 15:54

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I'm predicting that 33 and 27 will get together again and make it. No idea about the rest though.

JohnFogarty 16-04-2014 16:02

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1374819)
Archimedes: 33/20/3467/2175

Curie: 254/180/2013/4901

Galileo: 67/179/2337/558

Newton: 368/1114/340/1640

C vs G: Curie

A vs N: Newton

Curie vs Newton: Newton

This would be one of the best Einstein Finals in a long time. Very, very close 3 matches.

My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

joelg236 16-04-2014 16:05

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

marshall 16-04-2014 16:16

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1374751)
Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086

Wow. Thank you. I hope we can exceed expectations.

Thad House 16-04-2014 16:20

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1374838)
Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

That Galileo alliance would be epic. Hopefully we can make it happen. And thanks for the shout out. :D

Cory 16-04-2014 16:20

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1374838)
Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

barn34 16-04-2014 16:21

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1374751)
My picks:

Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person

Wow! Thanks for the shout out! I'm not gonna lie...I think we'd set a new land speed record accepting that alliance invitation. HOT, 'Rwangers, 'Teers, Mo' Martians?!?! Yes, please!!!

joelg236 16-04-2014 16:56

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1374858)
Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

For Archimedes and Curie, probably. :)

CASN8R 16-04-2014 17:09

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1374835)
My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

We need to start working on our Swag Drive for champs!

JohnFogarty 16-04-2014 17:10

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CASN8R (Post 1374908)
We need to start working on our Swag Drive for champs!

Truely a YOLO move.

MARS_James 16-04-2014 17:26

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1374835)
My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

What no love for The HOT Swamp NERD Squad ;)

Koko Ed 16-04-2014 17:52

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1374858)
Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

this^

PayneTrain 16-04-2014 18:32

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I pick the top 4 teams in max opr to somehow be allowed to align and win their respective divisions. I pick Curie to win in Einstein because the internet told me they were stacked.

midoinitrite

Andrew Lawrence 16-04-2014 19:29

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I usually don't make predictions, but this'll be my first time attending champs, so I might as well put some fun into this whole predicting thing.

The divisions are powerful this year (though they are every year), and due to the dynamic nature of this year's game and the inclusion of a fourth robot on each alliance at champs, I will not even attempt to hazard a guess at the third pick for each team.

That being said, on to the alliances. 4 divisions, 12 teams.

Archimedes: 33, 2056, 1662
Curie: 254, 469, 865
Galileo: 67, 148, 766
Newton: 1114, 610, 5188

The breakdown:

Archimedes: They truss, they shoot high, they maneuver with finesse, and they have very powerful and experienced drive coaches. 33 and 2056 are two very different robots who know how to play the same game very well. For the most part, there is nothing that one can do that the other can't, and they will abuse this ability to switch roles between and sometimes even within matches to create an intense mind game against their opponents, making them almost unpredictable in both their movements and their strategies. Like all alliances, they are going to look for a third partner who can start an assist cycle quickly and simply, but unlike most alliances they will also want their alliance member to be able to play multiple roles just like them, to further increase the versatility of this alliance. Because of this, the Michigan and Canadian powerhouses will pick 1662, Raptor Force Engineering, from Lodi, California. With 1662's flat body and simple intake, they will easily be able to inbound from the human player and quickly feed their partners in any way possible. However not only does Raptor Force have a high potential for inbounding, their shooting abilities are also powerful, and if they can launch the ball before an opponent knocks it out of them, their versatility could provide a great unexpected truss shot to a human player or even a high goal score.

Curie: People thought Curie had a great chance last year, and an even greater one in 2010, but nobody can deny that while we all know better than to expect the curse to magically go away, there's something with the lineup this year that gives us all that one thought, buried in the back of our minds, that maybe...just maybe....this'll be the year. While the division is(double) stacked, the winning alliance will be headed by Team 254, The Cheesy Poofs. Dubbed the "winningest team of all time" (and for a good reason), the Poofs and their robot Barrage will bombard the competition with their highly versatile style of play and their 65 pt. CheesyVision™-assisted autonomous. While the team with the most swag usually finds success as the run and gun scorer of the alliance, as seen at Waterloo they are well versed in any position they play in, including trussing machine and defensive beast. That being said, I can still see their preferred alliance role as the catcher and scorer of their alliance, and they've been itching to abuse their sweet catching system. Their pick is going to be a machine that will be able to play just as many roles as they do, but can also assist (no pun intended) them in their goal of as many cycles in as little time possible. For that, their answer lies with perennial Michigan powerhouse 469. The Las Guerrillas machine is simply made of magic and innovation, because if you look closely you can't find much else holding the machine together. Despite not being as aesthetically pleasing as 254's robot, the 469 beast is going to be one of the most well-engineered machines on the field, and their abilities to work well with 254's robot will make them an excellent alliance partner. Rounding out the alliance will be 865, Warp 7. Warp 7 won the Waterloo regional with 254 just a few weeks back, and while many other teams won't see the use in them, 254 will know from their experience in the cold, cold north that this team will be an amazing steal in the alliance selections. 865 will play the usual 'start the cycle' strategy that many second picks are often seen doing, and just like at 'loo they'll surprise everyone with their ability to start quickly and end quickly.

Galileo: The division of the father of modern science will be filled with just that - modern science. The big teams here have been around since the beginning, but are still the ones making the next big things for us all to be amazed by. Luckily for everyone one of the many inventions that utilizes the physics brought around by our friend the Italian scientist is the air conditioning, which will be needed greatly because this division will be hot, hot, HOT. That's right, 67 is back in Galileo after a 5 year absence, and they're ready to repeat their victory from 2009. High power, high scoring, and the knowledge and experience of 3 world championship titles are going to launch the HOT team high into the rankings and heat up the competition. Of course the only thing to compliment the heat is more heat, and that can only be found in Texas. Contrary to popular belief, the dark side isn't cooler - it's hotter, and this is further proven by the red and black aura of 148's decadrive drifting, dual saber-wielding robot Vader. These two teams will put the pressure on their opponents while they play a high-paced and fast action game. The only way this heated alliance can raise the temperature will be to go to the west coast and enlist in the assistance of 766, making an alliance that nobody on Galileo will be able to bear. 766 has proven itself as not only a great inbounder, but also time and time again showcased their ability to shut down opponents with a style of defense that ain't too familiar to us west coast folk. The team from Menlo Atherton High School will only multiply this alliance's already searing strategy by putting their friction to the test as they shut down one of their opponents turning the game into a 3 on 2. This alliance will be one of the hottest on Einstein. There will be burnt motors and magic smoke.

Newton: The antithesis of the Galileo alliance, Newton knows cold, and they're not going to be afraid to use it. While it took 3 competitions to get things just right, 1114 and Simbot Evolution will hit the ground at champs running at full speed, and they don't plan on stopping anytime soon. The Simbots have ditched their much loved surgical tubing punch that many teams have adapted from SS for a sleeker and more refined wheeled shooter, and this is going to separate them from all of the other SS-inspired designs. That being said, I see SS Jr. playing very much like his father before him and shooting large exercise balls over a truss. Yup, 1114 knows strategy, and they know how to maximize points in their alliance. In order to do so, they want a robot who scores better than them, and luckily they know of one who is only a little over 112 km away from them. That's right, another powerhouse from the north, Team 610 is going to compliment the 1114-lead alliance quite nicely. Their multi-axis intake alongside their accurate and fast shooting will allow the 1114 alliance to shoot to a human player, quickly load it into 610, and have that ball scored within a matter of seconds. 610 is looking for a back to back championship win, and this is looking like one of their best bets. Unlike a lot of these alliances, 1114 and 610 won't just be going for speed, they'll also be going for raw power. Both the Simbots and the Coyotes know how to push robots around and get through tough defense, and this ability will set them apart from the rest when it comes down to Einstein. Because of this, they need a third robot who has years of experience with high power offense and high power defensive play. Unfortunately 469 is in Curie, but not far from Michigan is a rookie team from Terre Haute, Indiana, who is mentored by 3 recent 469 alumni. 5188 is going to fly under most team's radars being a rookie who only attended one event, but what many won't see is that they not only won highest rookie seed and RAS at the Crossroads regional, but they also took home the gold at the event as the second pick in the second alliance. With a professional-looking West Coast Drive driving a 469-style robot, this team has the power and experience that 1114 and 610 will be looking for to round out their alliance.

Einstein matches:

There are no clear victors here, and I expect most if not all matchups will go to three matches. That being said, here is what I see as a possible outcome:

Archimedes vs. Curie - 33, 2056, 1662 vs. 254, 469, 865
This will be a tough one, as the first two robots on each side are equally powerful. This is going to come down to the third robot on each alliance, and unfortunately 1662's flat design will allow the ball to get knocked out of their possession at a crucial time, losing them the matchup.

Curie wins in 3 matches.

Galileo vs. Newton - 67, 148, 766 vs. 1114, 610, 5188
The killer here is going to be defense played while offense is played, a tricky combination that will only be successfully executed by the Newton division teams. It will be a tough match in the beginning, but with 1114 blocking 148 midfield while trussing to their human player and 610 counter defending 766 while scoring the balls they get, things will quickly swing towards the blue alliance side.

Newton wins in 2, maybe 3 matches.

The final matchup: Curie vs. Newton - 254, 469, 865 vs. 1114, 610, 5188
The Curie alliance won their last few matches against Archimedes because of the solidity of their robots even though offensively the alliances were equal. The Newton team took their victory against Galileo because of their ability to defend and score at the same time. However here there is an equal match in those regards. To be honest there is no way I can even compare these two alliances, let alone determine a winner, so I cannot accurately predict a winner. Because of the nature of this game and the fact that it is indeed Aerial Assault, I'm gonna have Curie break the curse and win because of a foul.

First two matches are very close, first one going to red alliance, second one going to blue alliance, result is Curie winning the final match because of a sketchy call of G12 that nobody will be able to prove but won't be redacted, being the sole reason the curse is broken. 254 and 469 get their second championship wins, and 865 gets their first.

Well, that's all I have to say about this whole thing. Lunacy was an inside job. Karthik for President. Water Game.

ks68 16-04-2014 19:33

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

JohnFogarty 16-04-2014 19:36

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ks68 (Post 1375006)
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

These alliances are all but impossible.

joelg236 16-04-2014 19:37

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1375008)
These alliances are all but impossible.

And I thought mine were crazy.

Anupam Goli 16-04-2014 19:37

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ks68 (Post 1375006)
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

If any of these alliances happen, I think i'll eat my computer.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 19:38

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ks68 (Post 1375006)
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

I don't think we'll even see that at IRI.

ks68 16-04-2014 19:57

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1375008)
These alliances are all but impossible.

I realize that, I just wanted to make the best alliances I could think of.

Jaxom 16-04-2014 20:11

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ks68 (Post 1375006)
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Which 2 teams on each of these alliances are you expecting to be sandbagging their qualification matches, in order to be available as 2nd & 3rd picks? :D Not that I wouldn't love to be part of that Newton alliance, but let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

Jay O'Donnell 16-04-2014 20:14

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Might as well try this again. Note that I'm usually really bad at predictions, but I'll just have some fun with it:

Archimedes:
Team 33 Killer Bees is going to dominate the Archimedes Division and seed first, and with that first pick they will take 2056 OP Robotics. With these two dominating the scoring, they pick up Team 2067 Apple Pi with the last pick of the second round for their great intake and swerve drive defense. They’ll use their final pick on 4265 Secret City Wildbots. Although they’ll play against some good alliances, they’ll have no trouble reaching the big show.

Curie:
This stacked division is looking to break the Curse once again. With so many proven teams on this field, any alliance one through eight could crack through to Einstein, and that is precisely what will happen as the 5 seed goes to the big stage. Alliance Captain 987 The Highrollers will lead the charge, picking up 177 The Bobcats and their six Einstein appearances. This alliance will pick up wildcard team 1323 Madtown Robotics and 772 the Sabre Bytes. This veteran alliance will not have an easy road, especially against alliances with 254, 469, 118, 11, 1718 and 624, but they will find a way to make it through.

Galileo:
After the perennial powerhouses such as 67, 148, 1717, and 2337 go to the first 2 or 3 seeds, PNW superstar 4488 Shockwave will be the Galileo Champion alliance captain with their two ball autonomous and great catapult. They’ll pick up Canada’s own 3683 Team Dave in the first round due to their great ability as a shooter, trusser, or passer. At the tail end of the draft, this alliance will pick up the youngsters of 4476 W.A.F.F.L.E.S., who will be a great passer for this alliance. In the third and final round, they’ll pick up overlooked 126 Gael Force as a solid replacement at any spot in the cycle, and for their fantastic truss to the Human Player strategy. It won’t be pretty, will require lots of third matches, usage of all four robots, and some luck, but this alliance will prevail over the superstars on Galileo thanks to their versatility.

Newton:
1986 will seed first and pick Canadian powerhouse 1114, but the best alliance will start with the second alliance captain, team 1678 The Citrus Circuits, with their versatility and amazing double intake, and they will pick team 610 The Coyotes to join them. As the draft unfolds, this 2nd seed alliance will pick up 3313 Mechatronics and their hammer, and then will pick up 811 Cardinals as a solid backup bot. They will have to play the likes of 971, 4039, 1592, and 1983, but they will prevail and move onto Einstein.

Einstein:
Archimedes vs Curie:
These two alliances will play some high scoring, tough matches, but the shooting of 2056 and 33 will overpower the Curie Alliance.
Winner: Archimedes
Galileo vs Newton:
While Galileo played great to get to Einstein, they simply won’t be able to match up to the teamwork of the Newton alliance, who will outscore them in two tough matches.
Winner: Newton
Archimedes vs Newton:
The scoring of Archimedes will be ferocious, but Newton’s teamwork and quick assists will be a tough matchup. After three hard matches, Archimedes pulls through with the win, the first championship for teams 33, 2056, 2067, and 4265.

jamierose 16-04-2014 20:17

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1375002)
I usually don't make predictions...
(insert rest of really long post here)

Great analysis, and thanks for including us! It would be awesome to be on an eliminations alliance with 1114 for the first time ever (as far as I know). As always, they have a great robot and they know how to play the game.

There are a lot of robots better than 610's on Newton, though. If we somehow make it back to Einstein or even division finals, I would be more than happy with our performance. Champs is pretty crazy, though, so you never know how eliminations will play out.

Also, you talked about 865 and how they might be the third robot for the Curie alliance. Not only is their inbounding incredibly quick, but they also play possibly the best defence I've seen between both regionals 610 attended this year.

I've talked about them a bit with some of my teammates, and we decided that any alliance would be happy with Warp 7 because they're so great at what they do. In my opinion, they have the potential to change the outcome of eliminations. I suggest that the teams in Curie pay close attention to them when making a pick list.

Brandon Ha 16-04-2014 20:20

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I really am wondering apart from these alliances being "dreams" how effective it would be against an extremely strong defensive alliance. We saw many teams around the world get defeated when statistically speaking they should have won. Sooooo... Curie Curse SHALL BE BROKEN via penalties. Which would be so nice.

ks68 16-04-2014 20:24

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1375042)
Which 2 teams on each of these alliances are you expecting to be sandbagging their qualification matches, in order to be available as 2nd & 3rd picks? :D Not that I wouldn't love to be part of that Newton alliance, but let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

I know that these alliances won't happen. I think you guys will be with Simbotics, obviously there is an extremely low chance that either of the other teams would make it onto that alliance.

Abhishek R 16-04-2014 20:27

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Ha (Post 1375051)
I really am wondering apart from these alliances being "dreams" how effective it would be against an extremely strong defensive alliance. We saw many teams around the world get defeated when statistically speaking they should have won. Sooooo... Curie Curse SHALL BE BROKEN via penalties. Which would be so nice.

I think we'll see many of these top offensive teams actually be the ones playing the hardest defense.

AlecMataloni 16-04-2014 20:29

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

JohnFogarty 16-04-2014 20:30

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecMataloni (Post 1375059)
Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

Half-Life 3 confirmed.

dodar 16-04-2014 20:31

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1375060)
Half-Life 3 confirmed.

Half-Life 3 is on a Waterworld = 2015 FRC Water Game.

Thad House 16-04-2014 20:32

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecMataloni (Post 1375059)
Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 5, 2 replays

254 wins in 4, 1 replay

FTFY

Arman1266 16-04-2014 21:34

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes: 33, 2056, 2978, 4583

Galileo: 67, 148, 1266, 4476

Curie: 254, 987, 2478, 4161

Newton: 610, 16, 3847, 2486

Finals: Galileo vs Curie

Winner: Galileo

Sorry, new to this "picks" thing :P

alexander.h 16-04-2014 21:45

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecMataloni (Post 1375059)
Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

So, I wonder what team you're rooting for...

cgmv123 16-04-2014 22:04

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1375106)
Curie vs Galileo is a SF matchup. If you think Galileo wins, they would play either Archimedes/Newton in the Finals.

Nope, Archimedes plays Curie, and Galileo plays Newton

jamierose 16-04-2014 22:04

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1375106)
Curie vs Galileo is a SF matchup. If you think Galileo wins, they would play either Archimedes/Newton in the Finals.

We (Galileo) faced Newton during the semi-finals last year. We then played Archimedes, who beat Curie.

Is it going to change this year? If not, then Curie vs. Galileo can happen during the finals, which is what happened in 2012.

An easy way to remember which teams face each other in the semis is alphabetical order.
A and C come before G and N, so SFs are A vs C and G vs N.

EricDrost 16-04-2014 22:10

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Wiggumshire (Post 1375104)
hi welcum 2 my post im knew to this but her it goes

kurie prolly wins it all and kills the kurse with

5326, 5297, 5191, 5179 (prolly)

i dont know why everyone chooses the tiny number teams bigger number must = better robot.

#seeuthere


Arman1266 16-04-2014 22:10

Re: Einstein 2014
 
It probably might change then, if it wasn't the same two years in a row.

Woolly 16-04-2014 22:11

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes- 27-1477-1538-1540
Curie 254-987-2468-1902
Galileo $148.67-1023-1730
Newton- 1986-16-1806-340, In my dreams.

Jscout11 16-04-2014 22:15

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arman1266 (Post 1375123)
It probably might change then, if it wasn't the same two years in a row.

It's been A v C and G v N since at least 2006

mman1506 17-04-2014 00:56

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1375002)
I usually don't make predictions..
254 and 469 get their second championship wins, and 865 gets their first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamierose (Post 1375048)
Also, you talked about 865 and how they might be the third robot for the Curie alliance. Not only is their inbounding incredibly quick, but they also play possibly the best defence I've seen between both regionals 610 attended this year.

I've talked about them a bit with some of my teammates, and we decided that any alliance would be happy with Warp 7 because they're so great at what they do. In my opinion, they have the potential to change the outcome of eliminations. I suggest that the teams in Curie pay close attention to them when making a pick list.

Thank you for the kind words, our whole team is so stoked to hear that.

If that prediction was to come true... :ahh:

Blackphantom91 17-04-2014 01:20

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Woolly (Post 1375124)
Archimedes- 27-1477-1538-1540
Curie 254-987-2468-1902
Galileo $148.67-1023-1730
Newton- 1986-16-1806-340, In my dreams.

I'm ok with the dream, but who is taking an arrow to the knee?

Woolly 17-04-2014 01:36

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackphantom91 (Post 1375202)
I'm ok with the dream, but who is taking an arrow to the knee?

I don't know that anyone would be taking an arrow to the knee. The division's pretty deep. Last year everyone was surprised when 610 fell to a 3rd pick, and I'm sure something similar could happen this year, just because there's so many good robots.

MooreteP 17-04-2014 09:55

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Has anybody interested in this thread taken a class on statistics?

To attempt a prediction of the outcomes of the divisions is an exercise in futility.

Too much data and random choices involved.
(Remember, these are high school students scouting and speculating. It's actually kind of cool, creative, and quite random.)

Two ideas:
- Not about the Robot.
- Einstein will be awesome this year (Goalie Bots!).

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58

Haz Warren Buffett my 1 billion dollars?

The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!

No scores over 200 on Einstein.
Remember, you heard it here FIRST

Mt_Biker2014 17-04-2014 10:32

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I like the odds of Galileo division winning go 67!!

bkahl 17-04-2014 10:34

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1375287)

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58

Love the New England twist!:D

RonnieS 17-04-2014 10:46

Re: Einstein 2014
 
So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

tim-tim 17-04-2014 10:51

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie314 (Post 1375312)
So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

Yes, per 5.6.1

Basel A 17-04-2014 11:10

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Alright, I'm going to make my Einstein predictions the same way I make my FRCTop25 votes

Division: Alliance# Teams
Archimedes: #3 27, 33, 2137, 2834 (27-33 mandatory)
Curie: #3 1718, 469, 4362, 74
Galileo: #2 2337, 67, 862, 857 (67 will accept this time)
Newton: #8 3539, 314, 2054, 910 (how any of these teams could be a 3rd pick is beyond me)

Curie beats Archimedes
Newton beats Galileo

Newton beats Curie

Jade Z 17-04-2014 11:17

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1374835)
My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

Look forward to seeing y'all again, sir. Make it happen.

Jade Z 17-04-2014 11:20

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie314 (Post 1375312)
So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

Yes, teams are swappable constantly. This not only allows for a backup that can be taken back out, but allows for a timeout for, say, a mechanum when you're about to go up against strong defense, or putting in an extra defender against a catching robot, etc.

Excellent idea, in my opinion. Allows for easier changing of strategy to suit the next match.

JohnFogarty 17-04-2014 11:37

Re: Einstein 2014
 
The four alliance system is alot like the 3 alliance system in FTC. If you didnt know FTC is 2v2 and yet their alliances are always 3 team. I love the strategy that can come out of an extra alliance member in special situations. In 2010 my FTC Champion alliance constantly swapped which ones of the three of us were on the field.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jade Z (Post 1375334)
Look forward to seeing y'all again, sir. Make it happen.

We'll do our best. We've made some intake/ball control improvements that should help us perform 100% than Orlando.

LoweIQ 17-04-2014 11:39

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1375327)
Alright, I'm going to make my Einstein predictions the same way I make my FRCTop25 votes...

No regional bias, right?

Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances!
Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781
Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648
Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193
Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415

Curie beat Archimedes, Galileo beats Newton, Galileo beats Curie.

Disclaimer: I realize a lot of these picks won't be around for the 8th alliance, or even that round of selections. No offense is meant by these predictions, all 16 of these teams are top contenders in their respective division.

GKrotkov 17-04-2014 11:43

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1375287)
The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!
FIRST

Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

magnets 17-04-2014 11:50

Re: Einstein 2014
 
A good goalie bot could change the outcome of a match, but there aren't too many good goalie bots out there.

I also think we'll see considerably lower scores and lots of upsets than usual because of the crazy defense. The teams that win their divisions will be ones where all three members of the alliance play defense when they don't have the ball.

I'm curious to see what teams do with the 4th member of the alliance. If I'm understanding the rules correctly, you could be a world champion, without ever playing in an elimination match.

cmrnpizzo14 17-04-2014 11:51

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GKrotkov (Post 1375350)
Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

Check out 973 for red in Auton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819idQnXwxw#t=18

I expect to see at least someone like this on Einstein or at least as a prominent force in division elims. Too many multi-ball autons are susceptible to this strategy.

Kabir Manghnani 17-04-2014 11:55

Out of all these predictions I'm seeing 971 less than I would have thought. Undefeated this season is quite a achievement especially considering one of those regionals was SVR. I'm not going to claim they are assured to win anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Einstein.

AllenGregoryIV 17-04-2014 11:58

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GKrotkov (Post 1375350)
Truth.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

We got CheesyVision working over the weekend. we'll see how it plays out.

1323 almost gets the block here.

Joe195 17-04-2014 12:06

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GKrotkov (Post 1375350)
Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUDUTQLZ5QE

4048 Blocked two shots at NE Champs

joelg236 17-04-2014 12:36

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabir Manghnani (Post 1375361)
Out of all these predictions I'm seeing 971 less than I would have thought. Undefeated this season is quite a achievement especially considering one of those regionals was SVR. I'm not going to claim they are assured to win anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Einstein.

Agreed. Are people assuming they'll lose in finals or something similar?

Yipyapper 17-04-2014 12:39

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LoweIQ (Post 1375346)
No regional bias, right?

Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances!
Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781
Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648
Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193
Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415

Curie beat Archimedes, Galileo beats Newton, Galileo beats Curie.

Disclaimer: I realize a lot of these picks won't be around for the 8th alliance.

4th pick? Ouch.

Billfred 17-04-2014 12:50

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yipyapper (Post 1375394)
4th pick? Ouch.

You know what they call the graduate with the lowest GPA in med school? Doctor.

You know what they call the fourth robot in the alliance that wins Einstein? Champion.

swootton 17-04-2014 13:02

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1375287)
Has anybody interested in this thread taken a class on statistics?

To attempt a prediction of the outcomes of the divisions is an exercise in futility.

Too much data and random choices involved.
(Remember, these are high school students scouting and speculating. It's actually kind of cool, creative, and quite random.)

Two ideas:
- Not about the Robot.
- Einstein will be awesome this year (Goalie Bots!).

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58

Haz Warren Buffett my 1 billion dollars?

The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!

No scores over 200 on Einstein.
Remember, you heard it here FIRST

Someone must have been paying attention in New England :) The real magic is not what teams statistically look the best, it's which bots compliment each other and which teams can play together effectively. I like the second pick for Archimedes and Galileo and the third pick for Curie.

tim-tim 17-04-2014 13:12

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ks68 (Post 1375006)
Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

Thanks for the shout-out. If we end up on alliance that I will be a very, very happy man.

michael.saxon 17-04-2014 23:16

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboAlum (Post 1374751)
My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
...
Winner Curie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arman1266 (Post 1375097)
Curie: 254, 987, 2478, 4161
...
Finals: Galileo vs Curie


Holy crap! Our entire team is overjoyed that we have been noticed by two different posters in this! (Seriously, our team members who follow CD were freaking out) You've made our day. Thank you both for the shoutouts!

JB987 17-04-2014 23:39

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Obviously people were watching the LVR webcast or archived vids of eliminations:D

s_forbes 17-04-2014 23:55

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1375715)
Obviously people were watching the LVR webcast or archived vids of eliminations:D

Westwood was a great pick, I was impressed!

The_ShamWOW88 18-04-2014 12:41

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1374858)
Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

Maybe those divisions are just that good? Going to be an intense Champs this year.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 18:38

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...

Yipyapper 20-04-2014 18:40

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376909)
Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...

So many people are picking such amazing teams for the same alliance--if Newton's teams as predicted here all team up, I will eat my shoe.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 18:43

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yipyapper (Post 1376910)
So many people are picking such amazing teams for the same alliance--if Newton's teams as predicted here all team up, I will eat my shoe.

Is that a promise?

bkahl 20-04-2014 18:46

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376909)
Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...

All twelve teams here are probable Top 8 seeds in their divisions. These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

This goes for most of the predictions in this thread. 1241, 610, 27, 11, 330, 1477, 469 etc. are all captains and/or first picks... NOT third picks.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 18:48

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376915)
All twelve teams here are probable Top 8 seeds in their divisions. These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

This goes for most of the predictions in this thread. 1241, 610, 27, 11, 330, 1477, 469 etc. are all captains and/or first picks... NOT third picks.

Oh well, it was just for the fun of it...

bkahl 20-04-2014 18:50

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376916)
Oh well, it was just for the fun of it...

You might see these at IRI, but not WCMP

bkahl 20-04-2014 19:02

Einstein 2014
 
With that said, here are my picks:

Archimedes:
33 27 3525

Curie:
254 118 3015

Galileo:
148 67 2363

Newton:
1114 1285 3928

Archimedes over Curie
Newton over Galileo

Archimedes in 3

Juan Martinez 20-04-2014 19:25

Re: Einstein 2014
 
I know that these alliances are highly unlikely but here goes my shot

Archimedes :27,33,51 note the all michigan alliance :cool:

Curie:254,125,2451

Galileo:67,148,3098

Newton:1986,1114,1806

A v. C A wins
G v. N G wins

A v. G after three super long matches A pulls out a win

StAxis 20-04-2014 19:43

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

alexander.h 20-04-2014 19:46

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StAxis (Post 1376935)
Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

By far, these might be the most possible predictions to date.

dodar 20-04-2014 19:48

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StAxis (Post 1376935)
Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376938)
By far, these might be the most possible predictions to date.

If that actually happened...lol

alexander.h 20-04-2014 19:51

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1376941)
If that actually happened...lol

You have doubt in your team winning the Championship? If you go in with that mindset...

Joe Ross 20-04-2014 19:55

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376915)
These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.

dodar 20-04-2014 19:58

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376943)
You have doubt in your team winning the Championship? If you go in with that mindset...

That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:11

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1376946)
That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

The thought of winning it all? That's a nice feeling ... one that we don't even dream of ...

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:14

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1376944)
In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.

Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

AdamHeard 20-04-2014 20:15

Re: Einstein 2014
 
ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:15

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376953)
Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:17

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376955)
This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

An even more valid point...

I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.

Richard Wallace 20-04-2014 20:51

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1376958)
I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.

Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

alexander.h 20-04-2014 20:54

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1376972)
Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

Abhishek R 20-04-2014 20:56

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376977)
And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

148 designed their robot to primarily run laps around the field as quickly as possible.

bkahl 20-04-2014 20:58

Re: Einstein 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander.h (Post 1376977)
And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

I believe he is talking about 148 in 2008. They were really only a drivetrain,but an amazing one at that. Their soul strategy was to gain as many 'laps' as possible, scoring points without the main objective, the GIANT ball.

2008 Einstein Finals 2: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008ein_f1m2

Edit:Abhishek beat me to it.


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