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Michael Corsetto

27-04-2014 17:02

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1379239)

I feel like Cheesyvision was an elaborate Trojan horse. 254 knew teams would implement it, but they always had something up their sleeve knowing they could defeat it. They duped 1114 into believing that they (1114) could block 254's automode, taking away 1114's scoring in autonomous.

There seems to be something not so straightforward with 254's release of Cheesyvision.

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?

1114 uses the Kinect, not Cheesyvision...

1114 was not duped, they disrupted 254's 3-ball auto in Einstein F2, a huge reason we won that match.

Gregor

27-04-2014 17:08

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

Even if 1114 wasn't able to block any shots, the only harm it did was costing them 5 mobility points, due to 1678's solid 2 ball, and 1640's solid 1.

Siri	27-04-2014 17:09

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1379285)

1114 uses the Kinect, not Cheesyvision...

1114 was not duped, they disrupted 254's 3-ball auto in Einstein F2, a huge reason we won that match.

They also didn't take away 1114's scoring in auto, considering there was never a match in which our alliance couldn't score all 3 of our auto balls. (We did choose to run just 2 in semis, but not for technical reasons.)

I love CheesyVision, but it's also worth noting that 1114's Kinect offers significantly more hybrid control than just the left/right choice of the former.

Citrus Dad

30-04-2014 13:49

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1379069)

1114's blocker was not what stopped those auto shots. It was them hitting 254 in the goalie zone that causes them to go out of alignment and miss. Also, it was just our luck that the hot goal that lit second every auto was on the claw side (not blocker side) of 1114. That third final match was unbelievably close. If anyone was going to break the Curie curse 254 and 469 would be the ones to do it.

Note that 2 of 254's shots deflected off 1114's goalie post in the 3rd match. If 1114 had been able to move over a couple more inches, those balls would have been on the floor...

Citrus Dad

30-04-2014 13:52

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1379242)

I believe 254 always shot their auto balls over the low goal. They didn't change it to fool 1114 or anyone else.

I don't think 254 would do something like that... they want to win on the field, not by "tricking" you. And in any case, 1114 is not a team that can get easily "duped."

See 254's explanation of their response to 1114 after the second match in the Einstein thread. They had to come up with an innovative counter strategy on the spot.

Citrus Dad

30-04-2014 13:56

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by donald_pinckney (Post 1379262)

The statement "taking away 1114's scoring autonomous" isn't quite applicable, because 254 should expect that Einstein level alliances should be capable of scoring a consistent 3 ball auto even without one of their best shooters shooting. Team 1640 was offensively amazing capable considering they were 3rd robot of 1st seeded alliance.

Exactly one of the reasons why we chose 1640--the reliability of their auto shot.

An interesting sidenote--we had to radically change our draft strategy for Champs vs Regionals because we realized we were going to get very high quality offensive-capable robots. No modifications to catapults like we had done on our third robots in the regionals. It was much more fun picking among the amazing robots that we knew would be available. 1640 easily could have been a first draft for any other alliance in our division.

AdamHeard

30-04-2014 13:56

Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions

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Originally Posted by Don Wright (Post 1378908)

Cheezyvision made blockers MUCH more effective.

We were driving our blocker via kinect at our 2nd regional.

It'd have been under kinect at our debut regional too if we weren't chasing down massive controls/comms gremlins all weekend.

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