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cmrnpizzo14 25-04-2014 12:15
2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Unfortunately some of us are stuck unable to watch CMP this year. Everyone who is watching, keep us updated and let us know what you're thinking!

cmrnpizzo14 25-04-2014 14:23
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Can someone explain to me how 27 has racked up 820 assist points so far? That's incredibly far above the 2nd highest total for all of the divisions. Do they have a unique strategy?

Jacob Bendicksen 25-04-2014 14:49
27 adds an extra assist to each cycle by receiving the ball from a human player and immediately giving it back. It's so successful that other teams have started emulating it.

stingray27 25-04-2014 14:51
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCascadeKid (Post 1378484)
27 adds an extra assist to each cycle by receiving the ball from a human player and immediately giving it back. It's so successful that other teams have started emulating it.
The origin came from team 2851, Crevolution. Its not the same strategy, but that is where the original idea came from

Navid Shafa 25-04-2014 16:08
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCascadeKid (Post 1378484)
27 adds an extra assist to each cycle by receiving the ball from a human player and immediately giving it back. It's so successful that other teams have started emulating it.
It was used a bit at the MAR Championship, and I just watched it happen on Newton now. It certainly surprised me, these teams are definitely using their brains.

PVCpirate 25-04-2014 18:08
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Team 16 is an extremely good finisher. Their auto is great, and their drivers are experts with the swerve drive, getting around defenders and scoring with ease. They are certainly one of the top teams and I'm sure we'll see them late tomorrow afternoon.

Navid Shafa 25-04-2014 18:12
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVCpirate (Post 1378543)
Team 16 is an extremely good finisher. Their auto is great, and their drivers are experts with the swerve drive, getting around defenders and scoring with ease. They are certainly one of the top teams and I'm sure we'll see them late tomorrow afternoon.
There are plenty of strong teams on Newton, but their driving definitely puts them a step ahead of most teams. With many strong teams that will likely not seed in the top 8 tomorrow, 16 might not have an easy fight to make it out of divisions.

Navid Shafa 25-04-2014 19:17
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Even though matches are done for the day, the FMS data is not up to date on most divisions...

Archimedes: Match Results and Rankings display current as of Match 120.

Curie: The only division that is truly current, maybe the curse is spreading.

Galileo: Match results only current to 148, Rankings apparently say 150.

Newton Rankings: Matches and Rankings say current as of Match 144.

*Sigh*

kenavt 25-04-2014 19:22
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378552)
Even though matches are done for the day, the FMS data is not up to date on most divisions...

Archimedes: Match Results and Rankings display current as of Match 120.

Curie: The only division that is truly current, maybe the curse is spreading.

Galileo: Match results only current to 148, Rankings apparently say 150.

Newton Rankings: Matches and Rankings say current as of Match 144.

*Sigh*
Doesn't help that Archimedes has been showing 6-22 teams for at least half an hour either...

CTbiker105 25-04-2014 19:43
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
I saw 33 utilizing a killer strategy today, no pun intended. The ball never touched the ground, all 3 robots were stationary the majority of the time, and it was a 3-assist cycle every time.

33 would inbound, truss shot it to the HP, HP would inbound it to a bot, the bot would shoot it horizontally across the field to the other HP, that HP would inbound it to the third bot, who would finish the cycle with a high shot.

Very impressive to watch.

orangemoore 25-04-2014 20:11
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378552)
Even though matches are done for the day, the FMS data is not up to date on most divisions...

Archimedes: Match Results and Rankings display current as of Match 120.

Curie: The only division that is truly current, maybe the curse is spreading.

Galileo: Match results only current to 148, Rankings apparently say 150.

Newton Rankings: Matches and Rankings say current as of Match 144.

*Sigh*
All divisions are updated through Match 150 except Galileo is still missing the scores from the last 2 matches

cmrnpizzo14 25-04-2014 20:14
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTbiker105 (Post 1378557)
I saw 33 utilizing a killer strategy today, no pun intended. The ball never touched the ground, all 3 robots were stationary the majority of the time, and it was a 3-assist cycle every time.

33 would inbound, truss shot it to the HP, HP would inbound it to a bot, the bot would shoot it horizontally across the field to the other HP, that HP would inbound it to the third bot, who would finish the cycle with a high shot.

Very impressive to watch.
Video?!?

Navid Shafa 25-04-2014 20:21
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1378559)
All divisions are updated through Match 150 except Galileo is still missing the scores from the last 2 matches
Thanks, glad to hear they are up to date now. I'm surprised it took so long.

Navid Shafa 26-04-2014 10:14
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Newton match results not posting this morning, Newton FMS not updating again.

dodar 26-04-2014 10:18
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378673)
Newton match results not posting this morning, Newton FMS not updating again.
Its something wrong with Spyder because the FIRST website is updating.

EDIT: Atleast it was earlier, now its back to match 150...

Basel A 26-04-2014 10:24
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
FIRST just tweeted about the issue: https://twitter.com/FRCTeams/status/460061446974758912

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRCTeams
We know that the website & Spyder/Tracker aren't updating automatically. We are manually updating every 3-5 matches. #FIRSTChamp #omgrobots

Navid Shafa 26-04-2014 10:26
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1378674)
Its something wrong with Spyder because the FIRST website is updating.

EDIT: Atleast it was earlier, now its back to match 150...
It was not, match results have not been updated all day for Newton. Even if Rankings say they are current (which is incorrect).

dodar 26-04-2014 10:30
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378676)
It was not, match results have not been updated all day for Newton. Even if Rankings say they are current (which is incorrect).
Well it has updated atleast once today because it shows us playing 10 matches.

Basel A 26-04-2014 10:34
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1378677)
Well it has updated atleast once today because it shows us playing 10 matches.
The rankings on every division are more current than the match results (all rankings have been updated at least once today). I don't think the rankings for any division are actually current though.

The Lucas 26-04-2014 11:25
Couple of tidbits about the schedule:
3 HOF 365 (Galileo) & 103 (Archi) have the first and last (167) qual matches in thier division (which is a record of course since there have never been 167 quals before)
In Curie another HOF 359 is in the the last match
Perhaps this is a good omen for 1983 Skunkworks (last match in Newton). Good luck to our friends and hotel mates in joining the club.

Mike Marandola 26-04-2014 14:51
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Anyone know where the smoke came from that is over Galileo/the Einstein stage? I can't see from Curie.

cgmv123 26-04-2014 15:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by marandola316 (Post 1378751)
Anyone know where the smoke came from that is over Galileo/the Einstein stage? I can't see from Curie.
My guess is testing for Will.I.Am's show tonight.

Chris is me 26-04-2014 16:08
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
In the Curie final match just played, red pushed a blue ball in a blue goal and it was counted as scored. This is the incorrect call and it might have decided the match. Interested to see how it plays out.

BBray_T1296 26-04-2014 16:09
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Who else is going ballistic screaming their head off? (not in anger but excitement)

BBray_T1296 26-04-2014 16:12
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1378765)
In the Curie final match just played, red pushed a blue ball in a blue goal and it was counted as scored. This is the incorrect call and it might have decided the match. Interested to see how it plays out.
I think it was corrected for. Final score Red 231 Blue 226

Who am I kidding, we are ALL watching right now :P

Tyler2517 26-04-2014 16:15
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
The Cheesy Poofs have a great robot. That 3 ball auto is amazing.

pmangels17 26-04-2014 16:18
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
How about these Archimedes finals....

Nebster 26-04-2014 18:28
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Will.I.Am's performance is not very flattering watching on the livestream... was it any better being there in person?

Answer42 26-04-2014 18:39
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
And massive "Paper Airplanes are super immature and not GP" thread starting in 3. 2. 1....

Jibsy 26-04-2014 18:42
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Answer42 (Post 1378795)
And massive "Paper Airplanes are super immature and not GP" thread starting in 3. 2. 1....

As rude as it is to interrupt a speech with one, I can't help but laugh every time it happens :o

cgmv123 26-04-2014 18:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebster (Post 1378791)
Will.I.Am's performance is not very flattering watching on the livestream... was it any better being there in person?
A bit, but it was rather unimpressive.

plasma_54 26-04-2014 18:45
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebster (Post 1378791)
Will.I.Am's performance is not very flattering watching on the livestream... was it any better being there in person?
Yeah the audio mixing sounded a little off on the live stream.

Here it is for reference: http://youtu.be/zkJ48YjPnM4

Nebster 26-04-2014 18:45
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Also it seems like people cheered louder for when the paper airplane flew on stage than during the matches themselves, is that actually the case?

Steven Donow 26-04-2014 18:53
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
This stuff in between matches is pretty good. Better than the usual stuff.

EDIT: I take it back. Badly mixed music isn't fun.

dodar 26-04-2014 18:57
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
They copied Crowd-A-Tron from Orlando and it was a pretty good Championship version. I do think they went a little fast on the history sequence though.

Jay O'Donnell 26-04-2014 18:59
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
I'm very disappointed by the video quality of these matches once again. I can't even see what's going on most of the time because it's obscured by a ref or part of the goals. Why can't we just have one stationary full-field view? That's all most of us want.

Jibsy 26-04-2014 19:07
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1378805)
I'm very disappointed by the video quality of these matches once again. I can't even see what's going on most of the time because it's obscured by a ref or part of the goals. Why can't we just have one stationary full-field view? That's all most of us want.

Agreed... especially towards the end of the match when there are potential buzzer beaters at both ends of the field and you can only watch one (if that). At least there's a functioning scoreboard.


Congrats to Curie moving to the finals!

Steven Donow 26-04-2014 19:10
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1378805)
I'm very disappointed by the video quality of these matches once again. I can't even see what's going on most of the time because it's obscured by a ref or part of the goals. Why can't we just have one stationary full-field view? That's all most of us want.
The problem with that is it's not good for actually being at the venue. Also full-field view is very bad for people who don't know much about FRC/Aerial Assist.

It's an unfortunate fact. Also, the full-field view in Autonomous isn't ideal at all for the entirety of the match.

sanddrag 26-04-2014 19:11
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
This Macy's parade woman is hilarious!

Jibsy 26-04-2014 19:12
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1378809)
The problem with that is it's not good for actually being at the venue. Also full-field view is very bad for people who don't know much about FRC/Aerial Assist.

It's an unfortunate fact. Also, the full-field view in Autonomous isn't ideal at all for the entirety of the match.

Another stream with a stationary camera would be fantastic!

dodar 26-04-2014 19:14
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
2015 WATER GAME!!!

Did anyone else catch that subtle hint?

Marc S. 26-04-2014 19:15
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
254 vs 1114. Battle for most blue-banners goes all the way to Einstein! :p

Basel A 26-04-2014 19:17
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
It's basically a 50-50, but I think Curie will break the curse.

dodar 26-04-2014 19:21
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Looks like the curse has been broken.

Cataclysmatic 26-04-2014 19:22
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
That 254 auto vs 1114....

billylo 26-04-2014 19:24
OMG. That 254 auton is ?!?!?! Jaw dropped.

Tyler2517 26-04-2014 19:25
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataclysmatic (Post 1378819)
That 254 auto vs 1114....
What happen i did not get to see the auto.

Jibsy 26-04-2014 19:25
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
254's 3-ball hot goal auto all from one side was really nice - kept them away from 1114's blocker. 1114 appears to be using CheesyVision to tell the bot which side to defend on too!

EDIT: To give more detail for those who missed it, 254 shot all 3 balls into one side, from the low-goal sweet spot. This prevented 1114 from blocking them.

cgmv123 26-04-2014 19:25
Time for Dave's Top 10 list!

ErvinI 26-04-2014 19:26
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler2517 (Post 1378822)
What happen i did not get to see the auto.
1114 tried blocking 254's auto. 254 still scored. At least, according to the announcer, the camera focus was on the other side for some reason...

dodar 26-04-2014 19:32
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Or maybe the curse is rearing its head....

SkittlesCharge 26-04-2014 19:33
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Those auto misses really hurt the Poofs this match...

cgmv123 26-04-2014 19:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErvinI (Post 1378826)
1114 tried blocking 254's auto. 254 still scored. At least, according to the announcer, the camera focus was on the other side for some reason...
254 adjusted their path to move in front of the low goal instead of just turning.

Jibsy 26-04-2014 19:33
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1378828)
Or maybe the curse is rearing its head....

Things just got interesting!

Marc S. 26-04-2014 19:33
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1378818)
Looks like the curse has been broken.
#jinxed_it

frasnow 26-04-2014 19:34
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Gah! NASA channel on Roku dropped the feed in the middle of the second finals match on Einstein. Good thing I had a PC close.

dodar 26-04-2014 19:34
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1378830)
254 adjusted their path to move in front of the low goal instead of just turning.
And 1114 countered with their own blocker using 254's own code.

April_robo 26-04-2014 19:34
THE CURSE IS REAL!!!!!

MikeE 26-04-2014 19:35
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
One auto block and one miss from what I could see on the feeds.

Also enjoying the post-match analysis from Blair & Andy.

Navid Shafa 26-04-2014 19:35
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Video quality = HD Potato
Poor switching often leaves the stream with this:

NASA, please bring on some high school students from FiM or PNW to help you with streaming...

DampRobot 26-04-2014 19:38
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Go 1678!

By the way, anyone archiving Einstein and the divisions?

RC3 26-04-2014 19:41
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378837)
Video quality = HD Potato
Poor switching often leaves the stream with this:

NASA, please bring on some high school students from FiM or PNW to help you with streaming...
While they're at it they should bring in the video equipment from the PNW as well :D

-edit-
For those who don't know, this is what the PNW streams all looked like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPTl...9QNx&index=140

dodar 26-04-2014 19:41
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378837)
Video quality = HD Potato
Poor switching often leaves the stream with this:

NASA, please bring on some high school students from FiM or PNW to help you with streaming...
Why cant they just use the broadcasting equipment the Rams use?

arizonafoxx 26-04-2014 19:42
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378837)
Video quality = HD Potato
Poor switching often leaves the stream with this:

NASA, please bring on some high school students from FiM or PNW to help you with streaming...
I second this motion. I have been spoiled this season with great Streaming from many different FRC teams hosting the stream during regionals. Now it comes to Champs and we are given choppy video, bad camera view choices, and over all, in my opinion, bad coverage of the most important event.

Note to FRC. Please step up your game when it comes to streaming or let high school students take care of it.

cgmv123 26-04-2014 19:46
DOWN GOES THE CURSE!

Mike dennis 26-04-2014 19:47
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
The curse is broken!!

orangemoore 26-04-2014 19:57
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1378840)
Go 1678!

By the way, anyone archiving Einstein and the divisions?
FIRST Records and posts all matches from each division, Einstein and all of the ceremonies shortly after the event.

plasma_54 26-04-2014 20:02
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
It's just live stream quality but here are the final matches:

F1-1: http://youtu.be/jdJutaggCMk
F1-2: http://youtu.be/Mf816DZU__Q
F1-3: http://youtu.be/xvEq4IMirZ4

Marc S. 26-04-2014 20:20
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
254 wins Einstein for the second time in 4 years, their 6th time being on Einstein and their 36th Blue banner ever!

469, after a close loss in the finals in 2013, 2010 and 2004, finally takes home their second Championship win! Their 24th Blue banner in FIRST!

2848 makes their first ever appearance on Einstein with an intense fury, earning them a Championship Win, and their 3rd ever Blue Banner.

74 Becomes the first team to win Champs as a backup (in the new system), earning them their 4th blue banner and a spot in history!


1678 takes the number one seed and a ticket to Einstein for a second year in a row. 69-7-0 is one of the most impressive and respectable win-loss ratios I have ever seen.

1114 proves that reverse engineering doesn't always work, for a design to be reused properly it must be evolved.

1640 also makes their second trip to Einstein in a row, with more vengeance than last year! I'll be keeping my eye on them in the future to go all the way.

And our friends, 5136 become dangerously close to being the first rookie team to ever win Einstein! We knew they were a strong team after competing with them at CVR, but now we know that they truly mean business!

AlexD744 26-04-2014 20:26
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc S. (Post 1378886)
[b]
1114 proves that reverse engineering doesn't always work, for a design to be reused properly it must be evolved.
I don't think it didn't work. Championship finalist is not too shabby in my opinion. This robot was only one match away from matching it's predecessor.

Answer42 26-04-2014 20:28
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
So. After being almost completely ignored all season, the goalie zone suddenly became very important during champs eliminations. Surprising. Did 469 or 1114 have blockers before champs? Also shout out to 973 for playing goalie before it was cool.

Marc S. 26-04-2014 20:35
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 1378897)
I don't think it didn't work. Championship finalist is not too shabby in my opinion. This robot was only one match away from matching it's predecessor.
This was a play on words relating to the name of 1114's robot, Simbot Evolution.

Navid Shafa 26-04-2014 20:36
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Answer42 (Post 1378899)
So. After being almost completely ignored all season, the goalie zone suddenly became very important during champs eliminations. Surprising. Did 469 or 1114 have blockers before champs? Also shout out to 973 for playing goalie before it was cool.
1114 debuted their blocker on Newton. With a lot of teams implementing cheesy vision or some form of vision-based commands, it became easier and certainly more viable in play if you can block a 2 or 3 ball auto.

Don Wright 26-04-2014 20:36
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Answer42 (Post 1378899)
So. After being almost completely ignored all season, the goalie zone suddenly became very important during champs eliminations. Surprising. Did 469 or 1114 have blockers before champs? Also shout out to 973 for playing goalie before it was cool.
Cheezyvision made blockers MUCH more effective.

AlexD744 26-04-2014 20:51
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc S. (Post 1378906)
This was a play on words relating to the name of 1114's robot, Simbot Evolution.
got it. Sorry!

PVCpirate 26-04-2014 22:12
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
That was a real fun Finals series, 254 and 1114 battling in auton. 1114 was able to turn the tide in match 2 by getting the block in, but 254's alliance came up with a solution to score their autonomous balls and edge out the win. Great job by all 8 teams for a great show!

Richard Wallace 26-04-2014 22:39
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVCpirate (Post 1378951)
..., 254 and 1114 battling in auton. 1114 was able to turn the tide in match 2 by getting the block in, but 254's alliance came up with a solution to score their autonomous balls and edge out the win. Great job by all 8 teams for a great show!
Auton on the blue end was like watching two grandmasters play chess.

DohertyBilly 26-04-2014 22:43
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVCpirate (Post 1378951)
1114 was able to turn the tide in match 2 by getting the block in
We were high up, but it looked like 1114 didn't touch those auto balls. It looked like 254 just misaligned their robot or something of the sort.

Abhishek R 26-04-2014 22:58
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DohertyBilly (Post 1378965)
We were high up, but it looked like 1114 didn't touch those auto balls. It looked like 254 just misaligned their robot or something of the sort.
Yeah, I think they didn't get blocked but it did force them to use that secondary auto which was slightly misaligned. 1114 was thinking ahead with that goalie autonomous mode, but 254 just seemed to always be a step in front.

I also found the semifinals pretty exciting, especially the Archimedes v Curie ones. Well played by all the Einstein teams. The 118-359-4334 alliance was quite scary too, with their amazing defensive play they took a match off of 254, 469, and 2848.

PVCpirate 26-04-2014 23:14
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Ok, so either way, 1114 forced the missed auto balls. The stream didn't show that side for all of auto, so wasn't quite sure if there was contact.

audietron 26-04-2014 23:21
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVCpirate (Post 1378971)
Ok, so either way, 1114 forced the missed auto balls. The stream didn't show that side for all of auto, so wasn't quite sure if there was contact.
On the stream pretty sure the first ball hit the blocker and sprung back and the second one grazed it in a way that made it bounce out of the goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf81...ature=youtu.be

Mike Marandola 26-04-2014 23:44
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1378907)
1114 debuted their blocker on Newton. With a lot of teams implementing cheesy vision or some form of vision-based commands, it became easier and certainly more viable in play if you can block a 2 or 3 ball auto.
Also, teams did what they needed to do to help the alliance win since they didn't need to worry about their rankings.

Nyxyxylyth 26-04-2014 23:58
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Answer42 (Post 1378899)
Did 469 or 1114 have blockers before champs?
469 did not have a blocker at the Michigan State Championship.

evanatch 27-04-2014 00:03
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by audietron (Post 1378973)
On the stream pretty sure the first ball hit the blocker and sprung back and the second one grazed it in a way that made it bounce out of the goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf81...ature=youtu.be
We were sitting fairly close to the field on that side and that's what appeared to happen from my perspective.

It was an incredibly exciting competition to watch, both on Einstein and in the Archimedes division elimination matches. I'm very glad to have had the opportunity to go for the first time in my senior year - the matches were incredible. Congratulations to the winning alliance, and thanks for the show!

themccannman 27-04-2014 03:56
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
1114's blocker was not what stopped those auto shots. It was them hitting 254 in the goalie zone that causes them to go out of alignment and miss. Also, it was just our luck that the hot goal that lit second every auto was on the claw side (not blocker side) of 1114. That third final match was unbelievably close. If anyone was going to break the Curie curse 254 and 469 would be the ones to do it.

SharonO 27-04-2014 09:20
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1379069)
1114's blocker was not what stopped those auto shots. It was them hitting 254 in the goalie zone that causes them to go out of alignment and miss. Also, it was just our luck that the hot goal that lit second every auto was on the claw side (not blocker side) of 1114. That third final match was unbelievably close. If anyone was going to break the Curie curse 254 and 469 would be the ones to do it.
Our team also noticed that the hot goal was always in the same sequence on the blue side in both SF & F matches. (We never paid attention to red) It would have been interesting to see 254's move in the other direction and see how it played out.

Amazing programming by both teams. Truly Inspiring!

micro 27-04-2014 11:26
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTbiker105 (Post 1378557)
I saw 33 utilizing a killer strategy today, no pun intended. The ball never touched the ground, all 3 robots were stationary the majority of the time, and it was a 3-assist cycle every time.

33 would inbound, truss shot it to the HP, HP would inbound it to a bot, the bot would shoot it horizontally across the field to the other HP, that HP would inbound it to the third bot, who would finish the cycle with a high shot.

Very impressive to watch.
Yep, that marinara sauce worked very well. We will post video as soon as we can.

Michael Hill 27-04-2014 15:46
Re: 2014 Championship live thoughts & reactions
 
I feel like Cheesyvision was an elaborate Trojan horse. 254 knew teams would implement it, but they always had something up their sleeve knowing they could defeat it. They duped 1114 into believing that they (1114) could block 254's automode, taking away 1114's scoring in autonomous.

There seems to be something not so straightforward with 254's release of Cheesyvision.

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?

DampRobot 27-04-2014 15:57
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1379239)
I feel like Cheesyvision was an elaborate Trojan horse. 254 knew teams would implement it, but they always had something up their sleeve knowing they could defeat it. They duped 1114 into believing that they (1114) could block 254's automode, taking away 1114's scoring in autonomous.

There seems to be something not so straightforward with 254's release of Cheesyvision.

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?
I believe 254 always shot their auto balls over the low goal. They didn't change it to fool 1114 or anyone else.

I don't think 254 would do something like that... they want to win on the field, not by "tricking" you. And in any case, 1114 is not a team that can get easily "duped."

donald_pinckney 27-04-2014 16:24
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1379239)
I feel like Cheesyvision was an elaborate Trojan horse. 254 knew teams would implement it, but they always had something up their sleeve knowing they could defeat it. They duped 1114 into believing that they (1114) could block 254's automode, taking away 1114's scoring in autonomous.

There seems to be something not so straightforward with 254's release of Cheesyvision.

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?
The statement "taking away 1114's scoring autonomous" isn't quite applicable, because 254 should expect that Einstein level alliances should be capable of scoring a consistent 3 ball auto even without one of their best shooters shooting. Team 1640 was offensively amazing capable considering they were 3rd robot of 1st seeded alliance.

Michael Corsetto 27-04-2014 17:02
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1379239)
I feel like Cheesyvision was an elaborate Trojan horse. 254 knew teams would implement it, but they always had something up their sleeve knowing they could defeat it. They duped 1114 into believing that they (1114) could block 254's automode, taking away 1114's scoring in autonomous.

There seems to be something not so straightforward with 254's release of Cheesyvision.

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?
1114 uses the Kinect, not Cheesyvision...

1114 was not duped, they disrupted 254's 3-ball auto in Einstein F2, a huge reason we won that match.

Gregor 27-04-2014 17:08
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Even if 1114 wasn't able to block any shots, the only harm it did was costing them 5 mobility points, due to 1678's solid 2 ball, and 1640's solid 1.

Siri 27-04-2014 17:09
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Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1379285)
1114 uses the Kinect, not Cheesyvision...

1114 was not duped, they disrupted 254's 3-ball auto in Einstein F2, a huge reason we won that match.
They also didn't take away 1114's scoring in auto, considering there was never a match in which our alliance couldn't score all 3 of our auto balls. (We did choose to run just 2 in semis, but not for technical reasons.)

I love CheesyVision, but it's also worth noting that 1114's Kinect offers significantly more hybrid control than just the left/right choice of the former.

Citrus Dad 30-04-2014 13:49
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Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1379069)
1114's blocker was not what stopped those auto shots. It was them hitting 254 in the goalie zone that causes them to go out of alignment and miss. Also, it was just our luck that the hot goal that lit second every auto was on the claw side (not blocker side) of 1114. That third final match was unbelievably close. If anyone was going to break the Curie curse 254 and 469 would be the ones to do it.
Note that 2 of 254's shots deflected off 1114's goalie post in the 3rd match. If 1114 had been able to move over a couple more inches, those balls would have been on the floor...

Citrus Dad 30-04-2014 13:52
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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1379242)
I believe 254 always shot their auto balls over the low goal. They didn't change it to fool 1114 or anyone else.

I don't think 254 would do something like that... they want to win on the field, not by "tricking" you. And in any case, 1114 is not a team that can get easily "duped."
See 254's explanation of their response to 1114 after the second match in the Einstein thread. They had to come up with an innovative counter strategy on the spot.

Citrus Dad 30-04-2014 13:56
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Originally Posted by donald_pinckney (Post 1379262)
The statement "taking away 1114's scoring autonomous" isn't quite applicable, because 254 should expect that Einstein level alliances should be capable of scoring a consistent 3 ball auto even without one of their best shooters shooting. Team 1640 was offensively amazing capable considering they were 3rd robot of 1st seeded alliance.
Exactly one of the reasons why we chose 1640--the reliability of their auto shot.

An interesting sidenote--we had to radically change our draft strategy for Champs vs Regionals because we realized we were going to get very high quality offensive-capable robots. No modifications to catapults like we had done on our third robots in the regionals. It was much more fun picking among the amazing robots that we knew would be available. 1640 easily could have been a first draft for any other alliance in our division.

AdamHeard 30-04-2014 13:56
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Originally Posted by Don Wright (Post 1378908)
Cheezyvision made blockers MUCH more effective.
We were driving our blocker via kinect at our 2nd regional.

It'd have been under kinect at our debut regional too if we weren't chasing down massive controls/comms gremlins all weekend.


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