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dodar

04-05-2014 22:42

Re: 2014 Lessons Learned: The Negative

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Originally Posted by tStano (Post 1382651)

I'm a junior, and 2 sport athlete: Cross Country(where I'm a captain) and Track, all 3 years so far in high school. I've been varsity/near varsity for the past 2 years(though I've been deproving as I get more involved in robots, probably due to lack of decent rest, and build season eating habits :rolleyes:). Conveniently track and cross end at 5 and robots starts at 5:30, so I can attend meetings and practice, but it means not getting home until 9, and still needing to eat, shower, "do homework".

I have given up several track meets where I could have done well to go to robotics regionals(my coach was not pleased).

I tried wrestling for a while last year, but (among other reasons) its really hard to do a sport in the winter(build season) with robotics and IB-level homework, when you have robotics meetings and practice for 3 hours each every day.

I don't want to see the grades and/or sanity of a 3-sport varsity athlete who is truly involved with robots, if its even possible.

I was able to do Football, Soccer, and Robotics during my 4 years in high school while taking all honors classes. Football slightly hindered the time and events I could go to to fundraise and soccer was during build season but I still was able to thoroughly be there more than most others. I wouldnt have changed it for anything else in the world; I can happily say I was on a championship caliber robot team, championship caliber football team, and soccer....well soccer was fun.

Abhishek R

04-05-2014 23:02

Re: 2014 Lessons Learned: The Negative

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Originally Posted by tStano (Post 1382651)

I'm a junior, and 2 sport athlete: Cross Country(where I'm a captain) and Track, all 3 years so far in high school. I've been varsity/near varsity for the past 2 years(though I've been deproving as I get more involved in robots, probably due to lack of decent rest, and build season eating habits :rolleyes:). Conveniently track and cross end at 5 and robots starts at 5:30, so I can attend meetings and practice, but it means not getting home until 9, and still needing to eat, shower, "do homework".

I have given up several track meets where I could have done well to go to robotics regionals(my coach was not pleased).

I tried wrestling for a while last year, but (among other reasons) its really hard to do a sport in the winter(build season) with robotics and IB-level homework, when you have robotics meetings and practice for 3 hours each every day. However, during the winter, I do attend 1-hour track conditioning practices 3-4 days a week and participate in chemistry olympiad.

I don't want to see the grades and/or sanity of a 3-sport varsity athlete who is truly involved with robots, if its even possible.

Yeah, I've given up Division 1 soccer and some other clubs like Science Olympiad and FBLA (FRC is more fun anyway) to have more time for robotics. Combined with all these AP courses these days, it's quite a lot when you're trying to be as involved as you can with the team. A lot of our team members are in some sort of music, and from time to time we have major conflicts (in 2013 a good portion of the team was missing one of our regionals because of a large band trip).

Somehow I've managed to still be playing in the orchestra.

Andrew Schreiber

05-05-2014 10:06

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Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1382630)

I didn't see the poster mention convenience, only contract obligations. The large arenas usually to require their in house services be used.

Then it needs to be stipulated in the contracts that alternative dietary needs will be respected or that folks will be allowed to bring in food to meet those dietary conditions.

rsisk

05-05-2014 10:13

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1382759)

Then it needs to be stipulated in the contracts that alternative dietary needs will be respected or that folks will be allowed to bring in food to meat those dietary conditions.

Yep, totally agree

Aren Siekmeier

05-05-2014 10:35

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1382759)

Then it needs to be stipulated in the contracts that alternative dietary needs will be respected or that folks will be allowed to bring in food to meet those dietary conditions.

This is not well advertised, but unlike most regional venues, we are allowed to bring our own food into the dome and convention center. The bag search people haven't ever cared about food or beverages that I've seen, they're just there for security. The staff at our regional events often make me dump out bottles of tap water before entry, only for me to refill them on the other side...

However, like you have said, if they can't provide alternatives, what will be available to volunteers (and to the general public) should be well communicated so that people can at least plan to provide for themselves if needed.

Citrus Dad

05-05-2014 12:40

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Originally Posted by ZehP (Post 1382448)

For lunch every day we had a parent get food from a restaurant (usually something like subs or sandwiches) and bring it to the parking lot across from Entrance A. We saved money and ate better. There were a lot of teams eating out on the sidewalks and in that parking lot. I'm sure that whatever food vendor FIRST has a contract with isn't too thrilled about that, but given the choices that they offer it isn't difficult to see why so many people just don't eat their food.

We've done the same for the last 4 years. I parked in the closest spot each morning because our scouting team wanted to be near the front of the line :yikes: so that helped getting out for lunch too. But most teams don't have that option, and it would be nice to have something edible inside the stadium.:ahh:

Citrus Dad

05-05-2014 12:43

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Originally Posted by dag0620 (Post 1382542)

Guys please keep in mind that in many venues that FIRST works with (possibly including EJD), when you sign the contract to rent the venue, often your obligated to only use only the in-house retails locations to sell food to the public, and you have to use the in-house catering for any other food needs (Volunteers, VIPs etc.). There is a very good chance FIRST's hands are tied in this case.

For a large scale multiple day event that other cities would like to capture, FIRST has negotiating leverage. The city or Edwards Dome management can force the vendor to comply.

thegnat05

05-05-2014 14:58

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Originally Posted by Moon2020 (Post 1381727)

Do any FRC students play sports (three-sport, varsity athletes) or are the students in band? Who is FRC really targeting? Are they targeting students who play neither a sport or instrument or are they targeting everyone? Is FRC exciting enough for a student to give up a game or competition to participate in a District meet or Regional?

My freshman year in high school I played traveling hockey, was on varsity quiz bowl, in theatre and on the speech team. All of those are winter activities and it just wasn't possible to do everything plus FRC and school. I ended up dropping all of my activities except for speech in order to commit to my FRC team and take up leadership roles. Overall I believe that FRC is exciting enough to give up other things to be a part of.

That being said I am a FIRST addict and am always talking about robotics to my friends and basically anyone that will listen. Some of my friends ended up giving up their saturday to come down to the U of M to support my team at regionals. When they got there they were drawn in by the energy, the size, and the excitement of the event and they went to school on monday talking about it.

FIRST is something unique and special in my mind. FIRST is targeting everyone in my opinion and it is most definitely exciting enough.

Answer42

05-05-2014 23:33

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Originally Posted by Shrub (Post 1382577)

It's really unhealthy for growing teenagers to just eat greasy food all day on top of going to bed at 2 am to wake up at 6 am and exerting their bodies while under stress.

I agree that there should be more choice in food, but.... This happens, literally all the time. I'd even go so far as to say it's the norm. Even if there were a variety of choices available I'm sure plenty of kids would still buy the cheap greasy stuff. As long as they're getting enough calories to keep going, I'd wager 3 days isn't going to do them any harm.

Moon2020

05-05-2014 23:51

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I wonder what the catering is like on the EJD VIP-level.

I have been to VIP level at TBTF in Tampa (Tampa Bay Lightning) and AC in Orlando (Orlando Magic/Solar Bears) and the food/beverage is quite different. That is why I asked if the EJD VIP-level caterer could be more involved.

Andrew Schreiber

06-05-2014 00:28

Re: 2014 Lessons Learned: The Negative

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Originally Posted by Moon2020 (Post 1383094)

Not much better. Nor were the VIP dinners. And when asking about vegetarian options we (I was sitting with several other vegetarians) got a bit of flak.

(This post merely to provide information, I'm not really complaining just letting folks know this is an issue at all levels of the event... and I'm apparently the only very vocal proponent that alternate diets should be respected)

Citrus Dad

06-05-2014 12:33

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1383108)

Maybe I'm not being so direct, but I absolutely agree with you.

Citrus Dad

06-05-2014 12:35

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Originally Posted by Answer42 (Post 1383083)

Yes, many kids will continue to make poor dietary choices, but that doesn't mean that everyone should be FORCED to make poor choices. At least among our team members, healthy dietary choices are important. And perhaps your observation is true of a single meal (as I mentioned comparing this to a Rams game), but over a 3 day period (or longer for some teams), being forced to eat junk can have a deleterious effect on several fronts than can take a while to recover from. Please don't dismiss other people's concerns so cavalierly.

Lil' Lavery

06-05-2014 13:05

Re: 2014 Lessons Learned: The Negative

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Originally Posted by Moon2020 (Post 1383094)

While it certainly wasn't favorable to alternative diets, the quality of food in the VIP areas was substantially higher than elsewhere.

nuclearnerd

06-05-2014 14:50

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I just wanted to mention that, while the box-lunch Salad on Friday was pretty meagre, the veggie burger on Saturday was one of the best I've ever had. I think it was rice and black beans; whatever it was it tasted amazing.

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