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EricH 03-05-2014 01:03

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjParaNoize- (Post 1382226)
Has anyone tried using another material besides wedgetop or roughtop?

Blue Nitrile. That first picture in this thread shows some, though it's just about indistinguishable from the wheel. Lots of teams use that.

DjParaNoize- 03-05-2014 01:36

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Interesting, Most wheels tend to wear out from my view. Our team uses custom wheels with Ployurethane and they've got perfect grip and don't tend to wear easily.

Polyurethane is a great material; we did a Cinco de mayo parade with the robot last year on a hot day and walked on the streets and our wheels didn't wear at all. We'll Be doing the parade this year again ( Tomorrow ):D

Mike Marandola 03-05-2014 11:21

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by avanboekel (Post 1381934)
Any details on how these were made? I assume you had to create some sort of mold, but how was this done?

I am not going to go into too much detail because I will make a more detailed thread when they are complete.

To make the two part mold I started off by building the clay half way up the master wheel. http://i.imgur.com/Y1UbrUj.jpg After a good coat of mold release I poured half of the silicone in. Those dimples are called keys, they keep the two halves aligned.

After it cured I took the clay and master wheel out, cleaned up the mold, and put the wheel back in. http://i.imgur.com/TyhgwAN.jpg The rest of the silicone was poured in and 20 hours later it was done. This was the finished mold http://i.imgur.com/FmC5ng8.jpg It didn't turn out very well because I rushed through the clay part.

Mike Marandola 03-05-2014 11:25

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjParaNoize- (Post 1382226)
Has anyone tried using another material besides wedgetop or roughtop?

There is also this stuff http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2611.htm

I felt it on 1218's intake roller and it seemed really grippy and soft. I am not sure how well it would hold up on wheels.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BBray_T1296 (Post 1381986)
Do you just tread each half and attach them with 2 seams in the tread? Pretty clever for those -hard to replace drivetrains

I saw these at champs and they were awesome. Here they are with the tread attached. http://i.imgur.com/3W0z2Ik.jpg

T^2 03-05-2014 14:11

Re: Custom Wheels
 
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Live-axle version of 971's wheel. Tread is blue nitrile attached with a zip-tie. If your team has the resources to do this, I highly recommend it; not having to use rivets is excellent.

Dunngeon 03-05-2014 19:14

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1382089)
Did you have any issues with the flat on the top/ bottom of wheels? How exactly do you replace the tread? Is this on a live axle or dead axle?

Wicked cool design BTW.

EDIT: didn't read whole post. Dead axle then.

Actually it's a live axle design, the drive sprockets are mounted on the hex shaft as well, this way we don't have to design a way to attach sprockets to the wheel.

The tread is put on in halfs, so that we can split the wheel off the axle. The tops and bottom of the wheels induce some vibration, but it's not too bad.


If you want a comparison, watch

this video from PNW champs (Before 6wd)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlG1JUmWnlk

Then this video from CMP where the robot was full 6wd (Note that the mount for the Gopro changed, so there was some more vibration from that as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkKOhDXiRFY

asid61 04-05-2014 00:00

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunngeon (Post 1382370)
Actually it's a live axle design, the drive sprockets are mounted on the hex shaft as well, this way we don't have to design a way to attach sprockets to the wheel.

The tread is put on in halfs, so that we can split the wheel off the axle. The tops and bottom of the wheels induce some vibration, but it's not too bad.


If you want a comparison, watch

this video from PNW champs (Before 6wd)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlG1JUmWnlk

Then this video from CMP where the robot was full 6wd (Note that the mount for the Gopro changed, so there was some more vibration from that as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkKOhDXiRFY

I was wondering how you put the tread back on. Once the tread is on, the wheel is one piece, right? Do you attach tread while on the axle?

Monochron 04-05-2014 13:04

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunngeon (Post 1382370)
If you want a comparison, watch

this video from PNW champs (Before 6wd)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlG1JUmWnlk

Then this video from CMP where the robot was full 6wd (Note that the mount for the Gopro changed, so there was some more vibration from that as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkKOhDXiRFY

It looks to me like the second video has you driving a lot more erratically. Is this just the extra vibration I am seeing or is that a result of the change in drivetrain? In the first video you seem to do a much better job of tearing across the field and making blocks and stops.

Dunngeon 04-05-2014 16:03

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monochron (Post 1382509)
It looks to me like the second video has you driving a lot more erratically. Is this just the extra vibration I am seeing or is that a result of the change in drivetrain? In the first video you seem to do a much better job of tearing across the field and making blocks and stops.

The point I was trying to make with the videos was the side to side vibration, which wasn't as obvious before 6wd. As far as how our driver drove the robot, we had just been talked to about High Speed Ramming, so we were likely holding back a bit. The overall strategy was also different between those two matches, at PNW we were playing nearly straight defense except when finishing (which didn't happen due to defense) so the driver had a much clearer picture of what to do. Personally, I thought the PNW match had a lot of missed blocks, whereas at Champs it wasn't as bad.

Tearing across the field was actually better with 6wd, we had more acceleration and better control when turning the robot. The Omni's we had on the back two wheels at PNW were horrible because they would break loose and cause us to skid out of control.

safiq10 04-05-2014 16:27

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjParaNoize- (Post 1382232)
Interesting, Most wheels tend to wear out from my view. Our team uses custom wheels with Ployurethane and they've got perfect grip and don't tend to wear easily.

Polyurethane is a great material; we did a Cinco de mayo parade with the robot last year on a hot day and walked on the streets and our wheels didn't wear at all. We'll Be doing the parade this year again ( Tomorrow ):D

How much did the entire process cost you?

DjParaNoize- 04-05-2014 17:44

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by safiq10 (Post 1382560)
How much did the entire process cost you?

From the calculations I made it would be about ~$10.75 Per complete Wheel

about $5.5 Per Rim and ~$5.25 Per thread.


These wheels we've made have been great because they are Durable, long lasting, great on the field, and cost efficient.

Mike Marandola 04-05-2014 22:06

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjParaNoize- (Post 1382573)
From the calculations I made it would be about ~$10.75 Per complete Wheel

about $5.5 Per Rim and ~$5.25 Per thread.


These wheels we've made have been great because they are Durable, long lasting, great on the field, and cost efficient.

What kind of wheels are they? Machined with molded tread? Do you have a picture?

DjParaNoize- 04-05-2014 22:28

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Marandola (Post 1382639)
What kind of wheels are they? Machined with molded tread? Do you have a picture?

Here's a Picture from Last Year's ( 2013 )

This year's wheels we decided to get rid of the Bolt Hole and Just Hold or rims together with Snap rings on the Hex shaft and also drilled a hole on the center of the hex shafts to screw in a bolt with spacers.

I will upload pictures of our 2014 wheels soon.

Dunngeon 04-05-2014 22:39

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjParaNoize- (Post 1382648)
*snip*

Here's a Picture from Last Year's ( 2013 )

This year's wheels we decided to get rid of the Bolt Hole and Just Hold or rims together with Snap rings on the Hex shaft and also drilled a hole on the center of the hex shafts to screw in a bolt with spacers.

I will upload pictures of our 2014 wheels soon.

How does the material you use work on carpet in relation to the other types of traction material?

DjParaNoize- 04-05-2014 23:05

Re: Custom Wheels
 
Compared to other material I believe the material we use has great traction on the carpet
One of our mentors who gave us some history of the traction materials said that out of all materials wedgetop and roughtop were great for the carpet but wore out super easy; and while designing the wheel we wanted it to have great traction/grip on the carpet, easy thread replacement, cost efficent and YELLOW.
So far we haven't had to swap out threads our threads from last year are still good they just don't seem to wear out; im assuming these are good as wedge/roughtops/Nitrile but very long lasting


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