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Re: Weight Saving Techniques

Use the Battery as your weight buffer. Years ago, it had to be in the limit of 130 pounds. Now, the limit is 120 pounds less the battery. With the battery weighing in at about 12 pounds, that's a pretty hefty buffer zone.

Also, consider your options. When you put in plastic air tanks, use the weight of the metal ones. When you are going to use the minimal devices, use the weight of the maximum. You'll soon find yourself with a large amount of buffer weight whether you CAD your robot or design it on paper and build.

Re: Weight Saving Techniques

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1391966)

No... it's still required. Playing out here is rough. (This is partially joking, it's a lot rougher than I remember MI being though)

It was a rough game this year.

Re: Weight Saving Techniques

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Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1392002)

It was a rough game this year.

True but its a rough year every year up here even with bumpers.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1387923)

A lot of people on this thread have mentioned using thin-walled aluminum as a great weight savings technique.
A lot of people on this thread have not competed at a New England event.

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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1392054)

True but its a rough year every year up here even with bumpers.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1391966)

No... it's still required. Playing out here is rough.

I'm going to start by attesting to the New England defense, our robot took a BEATING this year.

195 always goes overkill on material thickness, but its almost always for good reason. Our intake this year was made of welded 3/16" aluminum. Overkill? Maybe... but did it hold up? Yes.

Here's some general tips (Yeah, they're probably repeats, but they can't be over stated.):
-Over account for electronics weight...wiring does have weight, and its more than you'd think. (IIRC we left 20-30 lbs for electronics this year.)
-Go a size above what you think will work for Aluminum thickness. Its better to be safe than sorry.
-Always do CAD estimates, but know that the estimate is lighter than what it will actually be. CAD is just mean like that.

As for weigh-ins... I suppose we got lucky last year in Hartford.

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Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1392071)

-Always do CAD estimates, but know that the estimate is lighter than what it will actually be. CAD is just mean like that.

CAD isn't mean. It's a computer program. GIGO. Your calculation is only as good as the information you put in.

Just for general information, material nominal dimensions are sometimes given at what is known as "minimum material conditions" (unless specifically noted otherwise with a tolerance). This means that the 0.125" sheet you buy might actually be 0.127". The 1"x1"x0.0625" square tubing usually has pretty good dimensionality on the 1"x1", but the 0.0625" is very much a minimum requirement. Strength calculations for structural tubing are based on the nominal size, so the piece has to be at least that strong. Suppliers will target thicker materials to make sure that with manufacturing tolerances, they meet/exceed the minimum. They, of course, have an incentive to minimize the excess material to save on cost, but there is always the extra bit. Extrusions also don't have sharp intersections on internal corners. The fillet of material will add to the weight.

CAD models can account for this if you model all features and include the maximum material conditions.