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magnets

11-06-2014 20:47

Re: 2014 IRI Rule Changes

The removal of the zone rule makes the "park your robot on the sides of the field and cycle balls really fast" strategy feasible. The inbounder robot parks in the corner and shoots it to the human player, who immediately puts it into the second robot (against the side of field in third zone), which rolls it into the third robot, which rolls/shoots it into a goal. Rinse and repeat. All robots would be in a corner, so you can't push them out of the way.

Botsup

11-06-2014 20:50

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Originally Posted by billylo (Post 1389550)

Thank you. I am looking forward to the webcast.

Note to Frank: the FRC community will thank you if you manage to pick the brains of the IRI rules guys next season. They can definitely help.

Frank,

Better yet, please come to IRI this year!!! I am not sure if they will have corn dogs but I will personally buy you a nice, big, juicy ear of Indiana corn!

Hallry

11-06-2014 21:01

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Originally Posted by Botsup (Post 1389560)

Frank,

Better yet, please come to IRI this year!!!

^Frank, we'll probably end up having an extra hotel room if you'd like...

Kevin Leonard

11-06-2014 21:37

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As much as it helps the game flow- I really dislike the removal of the zone requirement for possessions. It removes the benefit of teams that built their robots to be able to truss from the white zone.

Boe	11-06-2014 21:45

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Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1389571)

This is exactly what I thought. Now long range trussers are a lot more valuable then before.

BobbyVanNess

11-06-2014 21:51

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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1389505)

2. There is no zone requirement for possession.

Maybe I'm reading this the wrong way, but it only says possessions, not assists.
From the 2014 FRC manual... "ASSISTS are earned when a unique ALLIANCE ROBOT POSSESSES the ALLIANCE’S BALL in a unique ZONE"
That still remains, and thus as written, it doesn't mean zones don't count.

Karthik

11-06-2014 21:58

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Originally Posted by bobby5150 (Post 1389577)

That's a sound argument, however the definition of POSSESS (quoted below for convenience) makes no mention of any ZONES.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRC Manual 2014

POSSESS: (for a ROBOT) to carry (move while supporting BALLS in or on the ROBOT), herd (repeated pushing or bumping), launch (impel BALLS to a desired location or direction via a MECHANISM in motion relative to the ROBOT), or trap (overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them) a BALL.

So the inference that this rule change intends to eliminate the zonal requirements that pair with possession to create an assist, seems fairly sound.

Samwaldo

11-06-2014 21:59

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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1389505)

2. There is no zone requirement for possession.

I understand that it helps the Refs out ALOT! but whats stopping you from a 3 robot line? 3 robots could push any defenders and they can probably cycle fast enough to skip the truss.

Dont like that rule but agree with all others. Love the 4th ball

Bryce Paputa

11-06-2014 22:52

Re: 2014 IRI Rule Changes

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Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1389574)

This is exactly what I thought. Now long range trussers are a lot more valuable then before.

I think this is a good thing because unless they can change their shot power like 33 or 118 can, then range past 30 ft or so is a trade off for accuracy in the high goal. It should also make the game feel more natural because teams wont be forced to go to specific zones before passing off the ball.

Overall I love the rule changes.

BriteBacon

11-06-2014 23:43

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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1389505)

3. A 4th ball may be used for autonomous. All other autonomous rules are unchanged.

Is this just for elimination matches or for qualification matches too?

Iaquinto.Joe

12-06-2014 00:04

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Originally Posted by BriteBacon (Post 1389596)

Is this just for elimination matches or for qualification matches too?

I believe it is every match.

Quality rule changes here. Excited for the stream. This opens up a whole new realm of possibilities for strategy. Bold prediction time: First no penalty 400+ score. In Quals.

EricH

12-06-2014 00:22

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Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe (Post 1389598)

Bole prediction time: First no penalty 400+ score. In Quals.

I'll throw in that Elims will have a 450+ no penalty score, and a 500+ score due to some form of G28 or G22 or both.

waialua359

12-06-2014 00:55

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#2 alone will have a greater impact than the rest combined!

Joe Ross

12-06-2014 11:03

Re: 2014 IRI Rule Changes

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Originally Posted by billylo (Post 1389550)

Note to Frank: the FRC community will thank you if you manage to pick the brains of the IRI rules guys next season. They can definitely help.

I'm sure with 8 weeks of hindsight, the FRC GDC has some pretty good ideas too.

Nick Lawrence

12-06-2014 15:22

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Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1389635)

I'm sure with 8 weeks of hindsight, the FRC GDC has some pretty good ideas too.

Yes. Lets not pick on the GDC, they have the hardest job:

Trying to predict what thousands of minds are going to think and do their games and manuals.

-Nick

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