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EricH 13-06-2014 23:41

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A proposal, for use by Districts when going to Championship:

Let the district area buy airfare for their team allotment, or partial airfare rather, as well as hotel rooms. Let's assume 10 "standard" teams worth. (For this purpose, 1 "standard" team is defined as 16 students and 2-4 teachers/mentors/chaperones, or 20 seats and 5-6 hotel rooms. YMMV, and this should be determined by the district area.) Because the district area can buy earlier, and is buying a larger amount of seats and hotel rooms, the costs would presumably be somewhat cheaper due to both timing and volume. The teams then reimburse the district area and pay for any extra rooms/seats.

Now, there are going to be some problems. For example, not all the district teams will have the same convenience level at any given airport. For another, apportioning the rooms to the teams may be a very "interesting" process. OTOH, if the district areas are creative in how they handle this sort of thing, it can be a huge benefit.

Of course, for the DCMPs, it's a hair easier. Just gotta reserve a bunch of block hotel rooms near the venue for longer-traveling teams, no flights needed, and again, have the teams reimburse the district and pay for any extras.

Link07 14-06-2014 01:08

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Pretty thankful that MAR has mitigated this problem greatly by hosting no Week 6 district. Even with the planned addition of a new district event next year, we tend to stay away from Easter weekend (Week 6) anyway. We saw a lower number of DCMP declines this year as compared to 2013, partially for this reason.

Nemo 14-06-2014 08:54

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1389807)
A proposal, for use by Districts when going to Championship:

Let the district area buy airfare for their team allotment, or partial airfare rather, as well as hotel rooms.

That's a cool idea. Is there a way to buy tickets without locking in the passenger names, though? I know that airlines are completely unwilling to transfer tickets from one person to another.

John Retkowski 14-06-2014 09:14

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It seems to me like the simplest thing is to just move world championships back a week. Why would you try to changed every event around instead of just one? Of course I have no idea what the situation is with scheduling for St. Louis. Or there may just be something else I'm overlooking entirely.

dodar 14-06-2014 09:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Retkowski (Post 1389831)
It seems to me like the simplest thing is to just move world championships back a week. Why would you try to changed every event around instead of just one? Of course I have no idea what the situation is with scheduling for St. Louis. Or there may just be something else I'm overlooking entirely.

I believe the week after Worlds is AP Testing week.

Libby K 14-06-2014 09:36

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1389815)
Pretty thankful that MAR has mitigated this problem greatly by hosting no Week 6 district. Even with the planned addition of a new district event next year, we tend to stay away from Easter weekend (Week 6) anyway. We saw a lower number of DCMP declines this year as compared to 2013, partially for this reason.

I think the move to no Week 6 this year was a great idea on MAR's part. (1923 got an invite on the load-in-day of MARCMP in 2013, this year we had a week+ to plan. Definitely way better.)

However, that doesn't help the second problem of this schedule - Week 7 qualifications to CMP, which arguably is way harder to plan. I like some of the ideas I've seen above about the district reserving plane seats, hotel blocks, etc for teams and then waiting to offer them to teams that need them. It'd be a great help to take something off the plate of teams that are already scrambling.

cgmv123 14-06-2014 11:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1389832)
I believe the week after Worlds is AP Testing week.

There's a week in between Championship and AP Testing, but you don't want students taking an AP test the day after coming back tired from St. Louis.

Madison 14-06-2014 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1389828)
That's a cool idea. Is there a way to buy tickets without locking in the passenger names, though? I know that airlines are completely unwilling to transfer tickets from one person to another.

The PNW district folks did this for teams here. They bought an assortment of tickets -- about 200, I believe -- on Alaska Airlines many months in advance and made those tickets available to teams that qualified. The airfare wasn't exactly cheap, but it did assure availability.

The overall cost was north of $100,000; the airlines are willing to bend the rules when sufficiently motivated. :)

PayneTrain 14-06-2014 11:46

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Retkowski (Post 1389831)
It seems to me like the simplest thing is to just move world championships back a week. Why would you try to changed every event around instead of just one? Of course I have no idea what the situation is with scheduling for St. Louis. Or there may just be something else I'm overlooking entirely.

Moving it back 1-2 weeks interferes with AP testing, then most high schools graduate between the third week of May and second week of June. The only place to move championship "back" to is the last week of June. That would affect over a dozen offseason events, but holding the last weekend in April will become more untenable as championship bids start going out later and later in the season.

Jscout11 14-06-2014 13:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1389847)
Moving it back 1-2 weeks interferes with AP testing, then most high schools graduate between the third week of May and second week of June. The only place to move championship "back" to is the last week of June. That would affect over a dozen offseason events, but holding the last weekend in April will become more untenable as championship bids start going out later and later in the season.

I envy places that get out mid-May to mid-June. For us, graduation IS that last week of June. I would also imagine this would interfere with college orientations and the like.

PayneTrain 14-06-2014 14:13

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Originally Posted by Jscout11 (Post 1389862)
I envy places that get out mid-May to mid-June. For us, graduation IS that last week of June. I would also imagine this would interfere with college orientations and the like.

Do they block in time for snow or ??? 422's high school just graduated yesterday and I seriously thought that was late.

Steven Donow 14-06-2014 14:20

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1389865)
Do they block in time for snow or ??? 422's high school just graduated yesterday and I seriously thought that was late.

Not really. Most districts have ~6 snow days built in to the schedule, and you'll either get a day or two back Memorial Day or lose a day somewhete. I've never heard of a school in this area ending before June 20th

Cory 14-06-2014 14:22

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1389865)
Do they block in time for snow or ??? 422's high school just graduated yesterday and I seriously thought that was late.

Schools that start after Labor Day often end at the end of June.

EricDrost 14-06-2014 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1389865)
Do they block in time for snow or ??? 422's high school just graduated yesterday and I seriously thought that was late.

I'm 75% sure it's because there was construction being done on the high school over the summer of 2008. We had to start after Labor Day that year and the schedule stuck that way.

Jscout11 14-06-2014 14:59

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: June 13, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1389865)
Do they block in time for snow or ??? 422's high school just graduated yesterday and I seriously thought that was late.

Specifically our school blocks in 3 snow days, which are returned as extra days off if not used (like in 2012-2013). While we had probably closer to 7 snow days this year, it only pushed back graduation back 2 or 3 days.


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