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jwfoss 03-09-2014 13:23
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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1398865)
Agreed. There is also a difference between an overnight trip and a day field trip of which many NEFIRST teams can realistically commute to their out of state competitions. We commuted to the DCMP this past year and are planning to commute to both of our district competitions whether they are in New Hampshire or Massachusetts.

Let's also not forget that last year CT teams were some of the only teams able to compete at two-three competitions in their own state. Both New Hampshire events were week 1 and week 2 meaning all but two teams traveled out of state to compete or be forced to compete back to back in the beginning of the season when robots/teams usually aren't ready. Massachusetts was doable in weeks 3 and 5 but demand filled both of those events fast.

For those of us who are competing in the southern half of the district (CT, MA, RI, and SNH) keep in mind that there are plenty of teams in Vermont, Nothern New Hampshire, and Maine who are forced to travel hours to just get to one event.
Absolutely true, we we're spoiled in 2014, and I was hoping to see Groton back again in 2015.
I am nervous about continued turnover in event locations year to year.

I don't think its a matter of complaining vs what other teams/areas have, its just about how things are adjusting in general.

Lil' Lavery 03-09-2014 13:23
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While I understand the concern, and fully appreciate that event organizers should focus on equity as much as possible, I can't help but enjoy the irony of New England and MAR teams who complain about district allocaiton. Compared the vast majority of FRC, we have it made.

BrendanB 03-09-2014 13:28
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Originally Posted by jwfoss (Post 1398866)
Absolutely true, we we're spoiled in 2014, and I was hoping to see Groton back again in 2015.
I am nervous about continued turnover in event locations year to year.
This is a good concern. I also hope we don't see districts change too much year to year because its nice to know your events. Additionally its good for communities/teams/sponsors to build up their events locally and see them branch out with new teams in neighboring towns along with potential for more community support from local businesses. Its sad to see 195 and 2168 lose their home events.

One change I was happy to see was UNH is being held in the Whittemore Center Arena! Last year's venue worked but one hallway for robots to get to the field with a ramp and having to walk outside to get from the pits to the fields wasn't the most ideal.

indubitably 03-09-2014 13:33
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Originally Posted by Roger (Post 1398857)
Make sure you bring that up at FIRST's next "What Events Are In My Area" website design meeting, where you have to re-click e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g to find out what's happening in my multi-state District event :confused:
ctrl + click, does the search in a new tab and leaves the search page open with all of your selections.

pastelpony 03-09-2014 16:30
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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1398865)
Agreed. There is also a difference between an overnight trip and a day field trip of which many NEFIRST teams can realistically commute to their out of state competitions. We commuted to the DCMP this past year and are planning to commute to both of our district competitions whether they are in New Hampshire or Massachusetts.

Let's also not forget that last year CT teams were some of the only teams able to compete at two-three competitions in their own state. Both New Hampshire events were week 1 and week 2 meaning all but two teams traveled out of state to compete or be forced to compete back to back in the beginning of the season when robots/teams usually aren't ready. Massachusetts was doable in weeks 3 and 5 but demand filled both of those events fast.

For those of us who are competing in the southern half of the district (CT, MA, RI, and SNH) keep in mind that there are plenty of teams in Vermont, Nothern New Hampshire, and Maine who are forced to travel hours to just get to one event.
Absolutely true. It was so easy for us to go to our first two events (Southington and Hartford) because both are less than an hour away. I met teams in Southington abd Hartford who travelled hours to get to Connecticut so they wouldn't have to compete in week 1 and 2 events. I also heard that Maine teams had to travel hours to go to the closest event when we were at Pine Tree.

Anyway, I'm happy that my team now has a home event (though it isn't at our school.)

Link07 03-09-2014 18:01
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Not entirely sure if this was already mentioned, but:

Festival de Robotique FRC a Montreal Regional - Week 4

Drew4564 03-09-2014 18:44
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Originally Posted by pastelpony (Post 1398881)
I also heard that Maine teams had to travel hours to go to the closest event when we were at Pine Tree.
This is very true, but unavoidable. For my team, Pine Tree was a minimum of a 2 hour drive, and any other event is upwards of 3 and a half hours. Unfortunately, the numbers aren't there for another Maine event, but who knows what the future will bring.

CTbiker105 03-09-2014 19:00
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Very disappointed to see where the NECMP is being held. WPI simply will not be able to comfortably accommodate the number of teams competing.

Chris is me 03-09-2014 19:05
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Originally Posted by CTbiker105 (Post 1398897)
Very disappointed to see where the NECMP is being held. WPI simply will not be able to comfortably accommodate the number of teams competing.
Honestly, WPI was fairly close to full in 2013 when it had 40-ish teams. Pits were pretty much at capacity; there was some room in the stands left over but that was probably in large part due to the snowstorm forcing 6 teams to head home. I guess we'll see how the District Championship works out, but it will certainly be a challenge.

Francis-134 03-09-2014 19:14
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Originally Posted by CTbiker105 (Post 1398897)
Very disappointed to see where the NECMP is being held. WPI simply will not be able to comfortably accommodate the number of teams competing.
I find your comment most perplexing. First, I would assume that the NEFIRST committee is not just blind-picking events, but is doing homework on where to put them. It is their job to find a suitable location, taking into account a number of factors, and I would hesitate to assume they failed in this capacity.

Additionally, the facility held a 60 team, two day event only 4 months ago. The venue seating is likely large enough, and there is ample hotel space within 15 minutes of WPI.

Can you elaborate on how you think the facility would not be able to hold the event? What specifically do you think would make the facility unable to accommodate a DCMP?

cadandcookies 03-09-2014 19:31
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Originally Posted by Francis-134 (Post 1398901)
I find your comment most perplexing. First, I would assume that the NEFIRST committee is not just blind-picking events, but is doing homework on where to put them. It is their job to find a suitable location, taking into account a number of factors, and I would hesitate to assume they failed in this capacity.

Additionally, the facility held a 60 team, two day event only 4 months ago. The venue seating is likely large enough, and there is ample hotel space within 15 minutes of WPI.

Can you elaborate on how you think the facility would not be able to hold the event? What specifically do you think would make the facility unable to accommodate a DCMP?
Speaking as somebody with absolutely no horse in the race, so to speak, the issues I've seen in this thread mostly aren't whether it is possible to hold the event at WPI (I think the majority trust that the planning committee on this point), but rather it will be of the same quality as last year's championships. I can't speak to that either, as I only watched them online-- and from a computer screen both WPI and the NE champs last year looked like quality events. But we all know that there's a lot more to making an event pleasant both to experience and compete in than what the field looks like or what how good the webcast is.

I also think that the previous posts concerning WPI hosting the NE championships have been pretty clear, and it would make sense to directly address those concerns (but like I said, I don't have much of an opinion other than hoping that everyone can have the best possible event, so take my opinion for what it is: that of a vaguely interested and hardly invested bystander).

Link07 03-09-2014 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis-134 (Post 1398901)
I find your comment most perplexing. First, I would assume that the NEFIRST committee is not just blind-picking events, but is doing homework on where to put them. It is their job to find a suitable location, taking into account a number of factors, and I would hesitate to assume they failed in this capacity.

Additionally, the facility held a 60 team, two day event only 4 months ago. The venue seating is likely large enough, and there is ample hotel space within 15 minutes of WPI.

Can you elaborate on how you think the facility would not be able to hold the event? What specifically do you think would make the facility unable to accommodate a DCMP?
It's not really that the facility is unable to accommodate a DCMP, it's that it may not be the best option due to some very valid concerns brought up in this thread (which includes potential overcrowding in the pits).

In MAR, many have expressed that Lehigh is not a great venue for our DCMP for a few reasons, mainly its distance from the majority of MAR teams, despite being much cheaper than the previous venue at Temple. MAR has been very transparent and have stated they are actively considering moving our DCMP to a more suitable venue, like Princeton.

No venue is perfect, and each venue has its own list of pros and cons, Lehigh and WPI included. This is not a negative reflection on NEFIRST's part, or a failure for that matter, but some see it as a step in the wrong direction. Of course, I don't claim to know the factors behind the move, but I'm sure NEFIRST is doing its best to accommodate teams, and some factors are beyond their control.

magnets 03-09-2014 19:43
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 Events are Being Posted!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis-134 (Post 1398901)
I find your comment most perplexing. First, I would assume that the NEFIRST committee is not just blind-picking events, but is doing homework on where to put them. It is their job to find a suitable location, taking into account a number of factors, and I would hesitate to assume they failed in this capacity.

Additionally, the facility held a 60 team, two day event only 4 months ago. The venue seating is likely large enough, and there is ample hotel space within 15 minutes of WPI.

Can you elaborate on how you think the facility would not be able to hold the event? What specifically do you think would make the facility unable to accommodate a DCMP?
Have you ever been to battlecry? WPI is not a great venue. The pits are pretty bad when you have lots of teams. From what I've heard, Boston was a really nice place, and WPI seems like a step down.

Steven Donow 03-09-2014 19:43
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 Events are Being Posted!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis-134 (Post 1398901)
I find your comment most perplexing. First, I would assume that the NEFIRST committee is not just blind-picking events, but is doing homework on where to put them. It is their job to find a suitable location, taking into account a number of factors, and I would hesitate to assume they failed in this capacity.

Additionally, the facility held a 60 team, two day event only 4 months ago. The venue seating is likely large enough, and there is ample hotel space within 15 minutes of WPI.

Can you elaborate on how you think the facility would not be able to hold the event? What specifically do you think would make the facility unable to accommodate a DCMP?
The big kicker for me is that we're moving from a D1 hockey arena of one of the top hockey schools in the country to a D3 basketball court at a school not known for its sports. Now, I haven't been to WPI for a robotics event (but I have been in the gym) but I just can't imagine an event there feeling as large as BU (of course however, that brings up another debate about what makes a good event/"big" event).

In regards to pits, is there a pitmap for Battlecry this year? I was only able to find the pit map for the district, and even that looked tight(of course, I'll gladly be proven wrong with a different layout).

Francis-134 03-09-2014 19:55
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Thank you guys for specifics! To be honest, what irritates me most is blanket statements made without specifics, or even general reasoning behind them. Brendan, Steven and others made great contributions to the discussion, airing their concerns for the new venue, which I think everyone can benefit from.

CD is a discussion forum, not a place to air dirty laundry. Let's discuss some stuff! Even if you don't have an answer, at least say what the problem is.


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