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Tom Line 22-07-2014 18:51
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Chris, here are 1114's matches:

Match 1: Didn't start in the zone
Match 16: Didn't move away from the wall
Match 32: Didn't start in the zone
Match 45: Didn't start in the zone
Match 51: Didn't move away from the wall
Match 67: Turned and left the wall. May have possibly stopped while in the zone, but had their arm lowered outside their bumper and it ended up inside our bumper perimeter and severely bent our shooter so that we struggled for the next 2 matches. When we back up in auto, they were jammed inside us and backed up with us. Penalized
Match 73: Didn't leave the wall
Match 81: Penalized for leaving the zone.
Match 95: Came right out to the edge. I actually went down to watch this, and as far as I could tell they were about 1 inch inside the line.

Are you certain they had an extension device to keep them in the zone? I know 447 did, but I never saw 1114 use one. I believe they were trying to get right to the very edge of the zone while keeping their bumper inside it.

Thad House 22-07-2014 18:55
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 1394009)
Chris, here are 1114's matches:

Match 1: Didn't start in the zone
Match 16: Didn't move away from the wall
Match 32: Didn't start in the zone
Match 45: Didn't start in the zone
Match 51: Didn't move away from the wall
Match 67: Turned and left the wall. May have possibly stopped while in the zone, but had their arm lowered outside their bumper and it ended up inside our bumper perimeter and severely bent our shooter so that we struggled for the next 2 matches. When we back up in auto, they were jammed inside us and backed up with us. Penalized
Match 73: Didn't leave the wall
Match 81: Penalized for leaving the zone.
Match 95: Came right out to the edge. I actually went down to watch this, and as far as I could tell they were about 1 inch inside the line.

Are you certain they had an extension device to keep them in the zone? I know 447 did, but I never saw 1114 use one. I believe they were trying to get right to the very edge of the zone while keeping their bumper inside it.
Yeah I saw as well they had a device that stayed in the zone. It folded under their robot and rotated out on the ground. Very difficult to spot if you were not looking for it. I'm pretty sure it was rainbow colored as well.

Boe 22-07-2014 19:02
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
I vaguely recall seeing something come out by 1114's bumpers to stay in the zone and I'm fairly certain there was something on the end of the lower half of the claw to give them more reach.

Tom Line 22-07-2014 19:03
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1394010)
Yeah I saw as well they had a device that stayed in the zone. It folded under their robot and rotated out on the ground. Very difficult to spot if you were not looking for it. I'm pretty sure it was rainbow colored as well.
Ok. I'm sorry I missed it. It was an elegant idea and only a couple robots did it, and it certainly conferred a huge advantage in blocking balls!

Karthik 22-07-2014 21:59
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1394010)
Yeah I saw as well they had a device that stayed in the zone. It folded under their robot and rotated out on the ground. Very difficult to spot if you were not looking for it. I'm pretty sure it was rainbow colored as well.
Yes, this is correct. The referees missed the existence of this device a couple of times. In their defense, it's easy to miss if you aren't looking for it, and it's something that was only added for IRI. It was originally pink, but we made it rainbow coloured to make it easier for everyone to see. We also had our driveteam talk to and the demonstrate the device to the head referee to ensure the device wasn't missed during the elimination rounds.

pwnageNick 22-07-2014 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik
Yes, this is correct. The referees missed the existence of this device a couple of times. In their defense, it's easy to miss if you aren't looking for it, and it's something that was only added for IRI. It was originally pink, but we made it rainbow coloured to make it easier for everyone to see. We also had our driveteam talk to and the demonstrate the device to the head referee to ensure the device wasn't missed during the elimination rounds.
Throw some LED's on it next time? Not that Evolution needs the aesthetic boost.

-Nick

evanperryg 23-07-2014 07:47
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1393999)
This bothered me a bit, actually. 1114 had what appeared to be a neat, rainbow colored 20" stick that would swing out from under their robot to maintain contact with the goalie zone while blocking the low goal. Despite this appendage being really visible, at least once I saw 1114 get a technical foul for leaving the goalie zone when this appendage was indeed maintaining contact. I'm guessing this was cleared up for elims as 1114 didn't get any technical in auto during elims that I remember.
I saw the stick as well, and it appeared to stay in the zone. Either way, it wasn't very obvious. 447 had an interesting solution that worked pretty well, a stick with a bunch of zipties.

Tungrus 23-07-2014 08:59
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
oh so they were zip ties and not antlers? no wonder they were quiet.

scott 23-07-2014 10:21
Re: IRI Finals Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanperryg (Post 1394050)
I saw the stick as well, and it appeared to stay in the zone. Either way, it wasn't very obvious. 447 had an interesting solution that worked pretty well, a stick with a bunch of zip ties.
Thanks! We used two pneumatic rotaries each with a PVC arm attached that extended out 20". Each had 4 zip-ties that would maintain contact with the zone's carpet. Coupled with a Kinect to get into blocking position made blocking over the 1pt. goal achievable. That is unless the person working with the Kinect moves their arm to avoid getting hit in the face with a ball and drives the robot out of the zone, haha :D (see IRI match #1).

Boe 23-07-2014 10:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scott (Post 1394069)
Thanks! We used two pneumatic rotaries each with a PVC arm attached that extended out 20". Each had 4 zip-ties that would maintain contact with the zone's carpet. Coupled with a Kinect to get into blocking position made blocking over the 1pt. goal achievable. That is unless the person working with the Kinect moves their arm to avoid getting hit in the face with a ball and drives the robot out of the zone, haha :D (see IRI match #1).
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scott 23-07-2014 10:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1394072)
haha, looks like we need to add a new portion to our drive-team tryouts.


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