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MentorForChange

05-08-2014 14:27

Petition to Diminish Mentor Involvement

Please sign the following petition to disallow mentors from going on to the field of play at FRC competitions. This includes not just drive coaching, but strategy, on field repair, etc. More details are included on the petition site. Thank you.

Link to petition

AdamHeard

05-08-2014 14:29

Re: Petition to Diminish Mentor Involvement

This has to be a troll job....

PayneTrain

05-08-2014 14:31

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MentorForChange

05-08-2014 14:32

Re: Petition to Diminish Mentor Involvement

No, I'm just a concerned mentor. I would ask that you take the time to at least consider my viewpoint by viewing the petition and the description. Whether or not you choose to sign it is on you.

Description found on the petition site:

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Originally Posted by Petition (Post 1395420)

The FIRST Robotics Competition, founded in 1992 by inventor Dean Kamen, is a robotics competition for students in grades 9-12. Students have 6 weeks to respond to a design challenge and fabricate a robot to compete against other teams from around the world, culminating in the FIRST Championship held annually in St. Louis.

Unfortunately, the competition, which is meant to introduce students to STEM and establish a fair playing field for all teams, currently allows heavy mentor involvement on the field of play. Mentor involvement, while important in the build process, is unacceptable on the field, regardless of intent. Strategy and coaching from mentors should be completed before the match and not during the competition. Allowing mentors onto the field of play diminishes the goals of FRC.

g_sawchuk

05-08-2014 14:33

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I really hope that this isn't serious. Part of FIRST is the concept of students working alongside experienced mentors to develop new skills. Although during build season some teams should allow students to do a bit more of the work, the mentors play an essential role and should never be told to do less or not be allowed to help as much in competitions. I think where we stand right now is perfect.

PayneTrain

05-08-2014 14:34

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Originally Posted by MentorForChange (Post 1395420)

No, I'm just a concerned mentor. I would ask that you take the time to at least consider my viewpoint by viewing the petition and the description. Whether or not you choose to sign it is on you.

I think regardless of intent, you're petitioning the incorrect president.

Akash Rastogi

05-08-2014 14:35

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1395418)

This has to be a troll job....

Either way, this is hilarious.

BrendanB

05-08-2014 14:37

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You can tell kickoff is getting nearer when the same horse beating topic comes around again.

Andrew Schreiber

05-08-2014 14:38

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Recognize that the FIRST Robotics Competition is not a science fair and mentors should be required to work beside students.

The FIRST Robotics Competition, founded in 1992 by inventor Dean Kamen, is a robotics competition for pre-college students. Teams have 6 weeks to respond to a design challenge and fabricate a robot to compete against other teams from around the world, culminating in the FIRST Championship held annually in St. Louis.

Unfortunately, the competition, which is meant to introduce students to STEM and establish a fair playing field for all teams, currently allows minimal mentor involvement on the field of play. Mentor involvement, while important in the build process, is is significantly more important on the field as dealing with high pressure situations is an important teaching moment. Not requiring mentors to be present on the field of play diminishes the goals of FRC by forcing students to face a stressful situation alone and unguided.

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Anupam Goli

05-08-2014 14:38

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This ought to be fun to watch.

Edit:

I'm liking Andrew Schreiber's changes

AdamHeard

05-08-2014 14:41

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It's just a bummer someone's joke is potentially going to draw possible attention from outsiders (hopefully not).

Teams go to the white house almost every year representing FIRST, something like this petition makes the organization publicly look bad.

Deke	05-08-2014 14:41

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1395423)

I think regardless of intent, you're petitioning the incorrect president.

+1

We do not need any more regulations from the government, especially ones restricting the awesome program FIRST is.

Why not bring this suggestion to FIRST? It seems like this is trying to above and around what is in place already.

Cory	05-08-2014 14:42

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OP is hilariously misinformed.

MentorForChange

05-08-2014 14:43

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1395426)

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...by forcing students into stressful situations, so that they can make mistakes and learn from them, just as in building robots and engineering in general.

pntbll1313

05-08-2014 14:43

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1395426)

Bolded was changed.

Liking the changes!

To the OP, please just use the search function on CD and save yourself what this thread is about to become... getting old :deadhorse:

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