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g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 16:34

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
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Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1396981)
Would you have Google'd ALS if the campaign wasn't going on?

Seems a lot of people are doing exactly what you did.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...y%203-m&cmpt=q

No, I would not have, and in that way it is good. However, many don't google it, or don't care about the true meaning, and that's not good.
Awareness is just the first step, talk.
We know we can talk the talk, but can we walk the walk?

pwnageNick 19-08-2014 16:36

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Originally Posted by GrifBot
I guarantee you, three quarters of the people who actually do the challenge don't even know what ALS is. I didn't know what it was after seeing nearly 200 videos of people dumping ice cold water over their heads. But one Google search was much more effective. In one google search, I completely understood what ALS was.

While I'm completely behind the challenge itself, whether someone's motive behind making a video is to raise money and awareness, you are literally a prime example of the challenge raising some awareness.

Were you aware of what ALS was before the challenge popped up online? No. Are you now aware what ALS is? Yes.

Hence you are now aware.

However one could argue, there are different and possibly more effective ways to raise awareness, and by result money than doing the "Ice Bucket Challenge."

-Nick

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 16:40

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1396983)
While I'm completely behind the challenge itself, whether someone's motive behind making a video is to raise money and awareness, you are literally a prime example of the challenge raising some awareness.

Were you aware of what ALS was before the challenge popped up online? No. Are you now aware what ALS is? Yes.

Hence you are now aware.

However one could argue, there are different and possibly more effective ways to raise awareness, and by result money than doing the "Ice Bucket Challenge."

-Nick

Exactly what I'm getting at. Talk isn't good enough in modern day society. Talk is awareness. Talk won't get us anywhere. Actions will always speak louder than words, as many have said time and time again.
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

BigJ 19-08-2014 16:53

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396984)
Exactly what I'm getting at. Talk isn't good enough in modern day society. Talk is awareness. Talk won't get us anywhere. Actions will always speak louder than words, as many have said time and time again.
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

The "Ice Bucket Challenge" simply latched into the "viral-ness" of other "challenges" going around on social media (ex. eat a spoonful of cinnamon, chug any of a large selection of drinks, etc.).

The Challenge puts a lot of eyes and talk around the issue, and guess what? Talk IS good enough in modern day society and the era of social media. Even if only 0.1% of the people who see these videos will donate, ALS research will make a lot of money. (Hint: This is how free-to-play games like Candy Crush Saga and the like made so much money.)

Your other argument is trying to change the topic, but I'm willing to wager the amount of water thrown over heads for the Challenge (which is reentering the watershed anyway) is a small small fraction of the overall water supply of any city that a Challenge participant lives in (the only reasonable frame of reference in which to make that particular argument).

pwnageNick 19-08-2014 16:57

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Originally Posted by GrifBot
Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse

This makes absolutely no sense. How does making people aware of one disease [ALS] take away from awareness of people dying from unclean water?

Awareness, or better worded, knowledge, is something that a person is not limited of.

Now if you want to make the argument that raising money for ALS could potentially take money away from other issues/problems/fundraisers, then you could make that arguement. But I don't think that anyone would argue putting money toward ALS is a bad use of money compared to using it for another cause.

Also, awareness of an illness or topic, or "talk" as you call it, is never a bad thing. Again, people don't have a limit to how much knowledge they can have so the more people that are aware of an disease or illness, the better. And in general, the more people that are aware of ALS, odds are the more people that will end up donating (Reportedly $21 million more raised during time period this year compared to last year).

-Nick

pntbll1313 19-08-2014 17:02

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396984)
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

I agree that the $20 million+ dollars doesn't in any way benefit people without clean water, however I'm not certain I see the connection to this making the problem of dying of unclean water worse. While that is a very real issue, I don't see how pouring a bucket of water over my head in Minnesota is going to negatively affect anyone dying of unclean water. It will just go into the ground water, the shower drain, the lake, the air, wherever it is I dumped it. It will then eventually rain down again. There is literally no way I could get this water from Minnesota to anywhere where it would do any good without wasting either more money, gas, or energy than it was worth in the first place (likely worth around a penny).

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 17:16

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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1396987)
This makes absolutely no sense. How does making people aware of one disease [ALS] take away from awareness of people dying from unclean water?

By dumping perfectly clean water over your head you are wasting water that could be used to help fix another cause. It is not taking away awareness, it is taking away the possibility to benefit another cause slightly. However, all in all, you can't win everything, and with so many problems linking to different causes and effects, it's hard to do one thing without affecting another.
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Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1396986)
Your other argument is trying to change the topic, but I'm willing to wager the amount of water thrown over heads for the Challenge (which is reentering the watershed anyway) is a small small fraction of the overall water supply of any city that a Challenge participant lives in (the only reasonable frame of reference in which to make that particular argument).

Firstly, it's not changing the topic, as I clearly mentioned it in my first post regarding this topic. Also, that argument is somewhat irrelevant. That water is essentially mandatory for our day to day lives, and not used to jump onto a bandwagon. Although there is no doubt that we need to use less water in our households, and we most certainly could, it's now become mandatory. However, dumping a couple of liters over your head (for the purpose of becoming part of the bandwagon for most, not all) is not necessary, and there are much more effective ways of helping the cause, like simply donating. A few celebs simply promoting the cause would be good enough, and it wouldn't use up any water.
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Originally Posted by pntbll1313 (Post 1396988)
I agree that the $20 million+ dollars doesn't in any way benefit people without clean water, however I'm not certain I see the connection to this making the problem of dying of unclean water worse. While that is a very real issue, I don't see how pouring a bucket of water over my head in Minnesota is going to negatively affect anyone dying of unclean water. It will just go into the ground water, the shower drain, the lake, the air, wherever it is I dumped it. It will then eventually rain down again. There is literally no way I could get this water from Minnesota to anywhere where it would do any good without wasting either more money, gas, or energy than it was worth in the first place (likely worth around a penny).

It is more of a mockery and a pure waste of water really, not just making the problem worse. Money will help benefit the research of ALS and help create a cure. Money will also help cure the lack of water in poor countries. But although water has an indirect effect on ALS, it has a direct effect on thirst, which makes it much more effective in that use.

Andrew Schreiber 19-08-2014 17:20

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396992)
By dumping perfectly clean water over your head you are wasting water that could be used to help fix another cause. It is not taking away awareness, it is taking away the possibility to benefit another cause slightly. However, all in all, you can't win everything, and with so many problems linking to different causes and effects, it's hard to do one thing without affecting another.

Unless that cause is brown lawn I highly doubt that.

You want to talk about wastes of water this shouldn't even be in your top 10. This is what, at most a couple gallons of water? The average American uses how much? I've heard numbers upwards of 100 gallons a day, most of which is for disposing of waste.

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 17:24

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1396993)
Unless that cause is brown lawn I highly doubt that.

You want to talk about wastes of water this shouldn't even be in your top 10. This is what, at most a couple gallons of water? The average American uses how much? I've heard numbers upwards of 100 gallons a day, most of which is for disposing of waste.

It's most certainly not one of the biggest wastes. However, it's one that should easily be prevented, and stopped. Society these days is just awful, with dozens of wacky, weird bandwagons. Having a spoonful of cinnamon. Twerking. And now this. The other past bandwagons aren't really doing much harm, and stopping them wouldn't do much good. But stopping this one could make a small, direct difference for a good cause.

I'm sorry if anyone is offended, I have absolutely no intention to fight as I was simply stating my opinion.

Sam Tyson 19-08-2014 20:33

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With all the complaining about "wasting water", it makes me wonder if you truly believe that the amount of water being used in this challenge is greatly affecting those without. How much water is wasted by the world daily? Or by you for that matter? Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine? Whatever the argument, do whatever you feel will help the ALS Association. And please don't judge those who are getting out awareness, regardless of their means. As long as it's safe, go for it!

Jared Russell 19-08-2014 20:56

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Originally Posted by Sam Tyson (Post 1397030)
Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine?


gc_coxen 19-08-2014 22:29

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
As some of you are saying, 'ALS ice bucket challenge is just another bandwagon ad campaign and that most of the people doing it don't know what ALS is.' I disagree almost completely. The ice bucket challenge has been a very successful campaign in raising awareness for ALS. There may be some people who just do this to follow a trend but the largest portion of people doing the ice bucket challenge are doing this to spread the word and hey, it's a fun way to spread awareness and millions have already been donated on top of that.

I'm also aware that California is in a drought and has been for some time but that doesn't mean you cant participate in spreading the word, maybe go jump in a lake or pour a small cup of cold water on your head, the whole point is to do this fun freezing thing then challenge your friends or better yet, donate $100.

BHS_STopping 19-08-2014 23:30

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I find it silly that anybody is complaining about "wasting water", to the point where it's almost ludicrous. You want to know how to offset somebody wasting 10 gallons of fresh water? Next time you make a hamburger, make it 3% smaller. That's it. It takes 300 gallons of fresh water to make one small hamburger. It's so easy for you to accidentally waste a bucket's worth of water by preparing a meal which is slightly too big that I simply cannot fathom in what context it is worth complaining about.

Sam Tyson 20-08-2014 01:12

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
Despite all of the arguing, bickering, "soap boxing", and justifications. The fact that we are all talking about issues like ALS and water conservation makes this whole thread a "win".
If you want to do the challenge, do it. If not, don't. Do something else instead, or just donate. If you can't do any of that, then hopefully, at least you are more aware of what ALS is and how it affects those with it, and those who know someone who has it.
People affected like Stephen Hawking (theoretical physicist & cosmologist), and Don Post (winner of the Betty Jane France Humanitarian Award). Look Don up. Despite having ALS, he is a true inspiration.

g_sawchuk 20-08-2014 17:01

Re: ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
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Originally Posted by BHS_STopping (Post 1397063)
I find it silly that anybody is complaining about "wasting water", to the point where it's almost ludicrous. You want to know how to offset somebody wasting 10 gallons of fresh water? Next time you make a hamburger, make it 3% smaller. That's it. It takes 300 gallons of fresh water to make one small hamburger. It's so easy for you to accidentally waste a bucket's worth of water by preparing a meal which is slightly too big that I simply cannot fathom in what context it is worth complaining about.

Food is food. Food is useful, as I am sure many of you will agree. Food feeds you. Food is not what you post on social media to get a lot of attention (well, some people do, but those are very interesting people). Dousing yourself with a bucket full of ice cold water is used to get attention, not to feed yourself. Water is something that should be used not as a way to get attention in a silly scheme, but to cure your thirst. Not once have I ever said that we shouldn't try and save water other ways. But those other ways have become the way of life, a necessity. Water to bathe yourself. Water to brush your teeth. Should water be a way of attention too? Because attention really shouldn't be a way of life. Use water usefully, at least usefully in the context of the modern day society.

Plus, if you are desperate to partake in the challenge, wait till the winter and dump an all natural bucket of water over your head. Or snow.

#snowbucketchallenge


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