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Wendy Holladay 13-08-2014 19:54

ALS Bucket Challenge, CD everyone is challenged
 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

Hey FIRSTers, I was nominated for the ALS Bucket Challenge. I know by now everyone has heard of this but if you haven't you now have 24 hours to take the challenge or donate $100 to ALS. STEM is the answer to these extremely difficult problems. Please help this extremely worthy cause.

Cory 13-08-2014 21:14

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Even better, just donate and don't waste a bunch of water/ice.

Jacob Bendicksen 14-08-2014 02:22

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396367)
Even better, just donate and don't waste a bunch of water/ice.

Yep. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-ko...b_5656649.html

Taylor 14-08-2014 07:42

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If you're in the Indianapolis area, join us on September 27th as we walk in memory of my father, who was taken by ALS in May.
His team, "We'll Fly", pays homage to his hobby as a private pilot; the license plate that was on his 1923 T-Bucket and Corvette also read "I'LL FLY".
Donations are also accepted through the same link.

wilsonmw04 14-08-2014 08:00

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396367)
Even better, just donate and don't waste a bunch of water/ice.

Come on Cory! What's the fun in that? That's like saying, "don't ride this roller coaster. Watch it on video. It's the same thing!"

Do it AND donate.

RKazmer 14-08-2014 08:15

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Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1396398)

Do it AND donate.

That's actually what you are supposed to do. Do the challenge and donate $25 or don't and donate $100.

Wendy Holladay 14-08-2014 08:20

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California friends, donate the $$ and save the H20.

I donated and took the challenge. I would not have without the challenge, reminding me what an important cause this is.

Chinmay 14-08-2014 09:24

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Originally Posted by TheCascadeKid (Post 1396393)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...s-for-charity/

Theres the completely opposite stance. When I look at things like this, I look at $ raised per video submitted. ALS is doing a lot better than many other viral fundraisers.

I had no idea what ALS is. Now I know, and I thought some of the videos were cute/funny/creative so I donated. The huffington post article was a bit too skeptical in it's tone and didn't resonate with me personally


Some quotes from the Washington Post: “It’s been incredible,” said Erin Fleming, the group’s associate director. “We are somewhat shocked at how many people are ‘putting their money where their mouths are’ for this challenge — in our experience, it’s difficult for awareness campaigns to translate into dollars, but the ice bucket challenge has certainly succeeded on both fronts.”

"The ALS Association, the nation’s largest ALS charity, says it’s raised $1.35 million in the past two weeks, versus a paltry $22,000 in the same period last year. Project ALS, a New York-based non-profit that funds ALS research, told the Post it’s received nearly 50 times the donations it usually gets this time of year"

Cory 14-08-2014 10:07

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Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1396398)
Come on Cory! What's the fun in that? That's like saying, "don't ride this roller coaster. Watch it on video. It's the same thing!"

Do it AND donate.

Living in CA, it's completely irresponsible to be wasting water right now. Any amount counts. When viewed on a macro level, imagine how hard someone in a rural village in Africa or other third world countries would have to work just to get a 5 gallon bucket of clean water? The thought of making ice is probably not even comprehensible to them.

Amongst the people I see doing it on Facebook, I don't see many that are doing the challenge and then saying they donated afterwards. I see a lot more people that seem to just be doing it because it's the trendy thing to do and then call their friends out to do it too. Maybe they're doing it and not telling people? But who is willing to self promote that they are doing the ice challenge but not that they donated money to a good cause?

Libby K 14-08-2014 10:18

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396408)
...It's completely irresponsible to be wasting water right now. Any amount counts. When viewed on a macro level, imagine how hard someone in a rural village in Africa or other third world countries would have to work just to get a 5 gallon bucket of clean water?

And this is exactly why I won't do it. I think we all know about the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, and if all the viral-video-sharers are doing their job correctly, we all know what ALS -is- from that slacktivist effort. (Note, that's not always happening. Some are doing it right, others are just doing it for the likes. Not cool at all.)

Just make a donation, and try to spread actual information about the disease and how to help through your FB/Twitter channels. It's a much better use of your time and resources.

(On a side note, your comment made me think: What do y'all think Dean would say about this colossal waste of water? Considering his biggest project is to bring clean water to those who don't have it. Yes, shameless plug for Slingshot, I don't care. Go see it if you can.)

Chinmay 14-08-2014 11:48

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Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 1396410)
And this is exactly why I won't do it. I think we all know about the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge

How would it have gone viral? and how would we all know about it it? without the challenge. We have the luxury now that it has gone viral to not do the challenge and critique it. If people hadn't done it and posted all over social media, I wouldnt know about ALS. Simple as that.


As for what you and Cory are bringing up about water waste: I get that its slightly irresponsible to dump a bucket of water on yourself. Use a cup full of water... its the sentiment and participation that matter. Most places in the US aren't in a drought.

Comparing a bucket of water in New York to a bucket of water in Africa is just plain silly... i dont see that as a valid comparison at all.

Libby K 14-08-2014 11:58

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Originally Posted by Chinmay (Post 1396415)
How would it have gone viral? and how would we all know about it it? without the challenge. We have the luxury now that it has gone viral to not do the challenge and critique it. If people hadn't done it and posted all over social media, I wouldnt know about ALS. Simple as that.

You're right - I should have added a 'by now' in there somewhere. It's already gone viral, we all know what it is, now maybe it's time to stop with the water dumping and move to just talking about ALS. I like your thoughts about a cup of water, though. That's a bit less extreme. Still wasteful, and I think some people in developed countries don't quite see what a charmed life we live as compared to other regions- but I won't get into that right now.

(Please note, I'm talking in my post about the people who just post the water-dump without any mention of what ALS is, how to donate, or anything. That's the slacktivist side of this that's killing me. Some people are just throwing water on themselves without any demonstrated knowledge of why.)

Maybe it's my background with family in medicine, but I truly didn't think there were people out there who didn't know what some of these major diseases are. TIL, or something like that. My apologies.

T^2 14-08-2014 12:01

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Originally Posted by Chinmay (Post 1396415)
Most places in the US aren't in a drought.

California sure is, though...

Cory 14-08-2014 13:19

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Originally Posted by Chinmay (Post 1396415)
Most places in the US aren't in a drought.

Comparing a bucket of water in New York to a bucket of water in Africa is just plain silly... i dont see that as a valid comparison at all.

The world has a finite amount of fresh water. It all matters. Maybe not to us, but certainly it will to the generation that follows us.

connor.worley 14-08-2014 13:26

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396442)
The world has a finite amount of fresh water. It all matters. Maybe not to us, but certainly it will to the generation that follows us.

Getting off topic, but here's an interesting documentary on the subject of water

TravusCubington 14-08-2014 13:37

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Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 1396410)
Some are doing it right, others are just doing it for the likes. Not cool at all.[/size][/i])

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396367)
Even better, just donate and don't waste a bunch of water/ice.

But Koray n Libi how I sposta show off my beach body?

Libby K 14-08-2014 13:44

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Originally Posted by connor.worley (Post 1396445)
Getting off topic, but here's an interesting documentary on the subject of water

Watch Flow, and then go see Slingshot.

http://slingshotdoc.com/

(No, actually, See it if you can. This is Dean's other 'big project' besides FIRST and if we could all go support him in this, it'd mean the world.)

Chinmay 14-08-2014 13:52

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1396442)
The world has a finite amount of fresh water. It all matters. Maybe not to us, but certainly it will to the generation that follows us.

Isn't the whole point of slingshot to create fresh water. If so, then there is not a finite amount of fresh water. Either way, the water on the earth is cycled through... I think I might be missing something... How are we somehow permanently consuming our fresh water?


Im not trying to get into an argument with you, but I disagree that this is a "waste" of water. I think its a pretty darn useful way of using water to raise awareness for something that I am realizing is very important, and something that I was completely in the dark about a month ago. Americans use 400 gal of water on average per day. I think there are other things we should cut back on before we cut back on using a few gallons to raise money for a deserving charity.


I would also like to second the suggestions to go see slingshot. Awesome movie if you can find a theater that'll play it.

Libby K 14-08-2014 13:57

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Originally Posted by Chinmay (Post 1396453)
Isn't the whole point of slingshot to create fresh water. If so, then there is not a finite amount of fresh water.
...
I would also like to second the suggestions to go see slingshot. Awesome movie if you can find a theater that'll play it.

To your first point:
There's plenty of water in the world. There's not a lot of low-cost, clean, accessible water for people to drink. That's the aim of Slingshot. It's not just creating infinite water, it's taking the dirty water that these areas have access to and making it clean. It's a cycle.

Second point:
More screenings coming soon, so that will be an awesome thing. :)

Taylor 14-08-2014 14:14

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There are lots of noble causes out there to support, as well as amazing documentaries that chronicle them.
While I appreciate the bumps, let's please stay on Wendy's original topic in this thread. There is already a place to discuss Dean's Slingshot.
My previous post linked to a place to make donations if you please; here is the whole ALS Association website.
Those of us directly affected thank you.

Chris is me 15-08-2014 02:39

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The challenge didn't go viral and didn't find the success it has managed to have by one dude going "okay, Internet, you're all challenged, do it now or donate $100!" It caught on because the challenges following it were individual and targeted. This creates some social obligation to follow through, as well as an entertaining few second video clip of your friends covered in ice. Hopefully , ideally, that makes you stop scrolling through Facebook for a second to at least think about and research disorders like ALS. (Honestly, I think Facebook embedding videos on mobile is a huge part of why this caught on.)

Effective and useful (hey, $4 million+ isn't a joke), or pointless and stupid, whatever you want to call it, challenging 1000+ people all at once just doesn't work. It's so broad no one feels any obligation to do it, which was the main impetus kicking this meme forward. If I posted "the entirety of the Internet is now challenged", how many people would do it because of what I said? Probably nobody.

That said, it is by all means a worthy cause and I hope no one on the fence uses this post to rationalize not donating.

Shrub 15-08-2014 12:06

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Actually, this was mildly popular with teams a few weeks before MN State Champs, but it was just a cold water challenge with no donation whatsoever if I remember correctly. Teams here just went to the lake and freezed their butts off (which of course raised health issues because the water was way, way too cold to be swimming in) and after a while there were police officers (rumour has it) patrolling the local lakes and warning people against doing it.
It was pretty silly, and our team never did it as a whole even when we were supposed to (although people on our team did anyway, including me. I got kinda sick). It's better to put your effort into actually educating yourself on why you were told to go jump in a lake than jumping in the lake yourself and getting sick (summer colds = bad).

Justin Montois 15-08-2014 17:38

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Water has a cost. Granted we shouldn't be "wasting it" but by looking at this quote and the included statistic, it seems like water well spent.

"The ALS Association, the nation’s largest ALS charity, says it’s raised $1.35 million in the past two weeks, versus a paltry $22,000 in the same period last year. Project ALS, a New York-based non-profit that funds ALS research, told the Post it’s received nearly 50 times the donations it usually gets this time of year"

waialua359 15-08-2014 19:25

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Hawaii folks have been doing it all summer the past couple of months. Perfect time to cool off from our usual hot weather while supporting a worthy cause.

Wendy Holladay 18-08-2014 20:32

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More 1912ers taking the challenge. And everyone, please remember to donate

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

tickspe15 19-08-2014 01:33

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We were challenged by our schools principle to build a "robot" to dump the bucket on them. This is what we came up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDo...6ZAgZsoG_hyEmQ

The school also made a video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zykyDleSjy8

Taylor 19-08-2014 07:03

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That is so beyond cool. (no pun intended). Reverse dunk tank FTW!

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 16:01

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Just going to share my two cents here, because I feel that they're needed.
I see the intention of this project. It's to raise awareness, and many would argue that it has been beyond successful in this aspect. However, the truth is, it has not. I guarantee you, three quarters of the people who actually do the challenge don't even know what ALS is. I didn't know what it was after seeing nearly 200 videos of people dumping ice cold water over their heads. But one Google search was much more effective. In one google search, I completely understood what ALS was. It's therefore proven that watching 200 people make a fool of themselves is such an uneffective way of raising awareness for this awful disease.

The truth is, most people aren't even doing this with the intention of awareness. It's really just another ridiculous bandwagon, like twerking, or weird hashtags. People do it to be in a "clique" and do it to try and seem "cool". I appreciate those who do it with the intention of awareness, and I really wish their efforts really were raising true awareness.

Now, an effective way that this could work would be by requiring people who do the challenge to describe the disease in the same post as their video in their social media post. That way knowledge of the disease would spread, therefore creating meaningful awareness. I strongly recommend for everyone to choose to donate, but please, don't make a fool of yourselves just to jump in the bandwagon, and don't bother wasting all that water. It's like you're taunting those who cannot have water. If we took all the water dumped on each and every one of you, and gave it to the people who can't even get a cup of clean water everyday, I think it would do a lot more good.

In short, this is why I shall not be dumping a waste of ice cold water over my head.

evanperryg 19-08-2014 16:12

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Originally Posted by Wendy Holladay (Post 1396352)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

Hey FIRSTers, I was nominated for the ALS Bucket Challenge. I know by now everyone has heard of this but if you haven't you now have 24 hours to take the challenge or donate $100 to ALS. STEM is the answer to these extremely difficult problems. Please help this extremely worthy cause.


This might be the one time Charlie Sheen should be a good example to us: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1908475

mwtidd 19-08-2014 16:32

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396974)
I guarantee you, three quarters of the people who actually do the challenge don't even know what ALS is. I didn't know what it was after seeing nearly 200 videos of people dumping ice cold water over their heads. But one Google search was much more effective. In one google search, I completely understood what ALS was.

Would you have Google'd ALS if the campaign wasn't going on?

Seems a lot of people are doing exactly what you did.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...y%203-m&cmpt=q

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 16:34

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Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1396981)
Would you have Google'd ALS if the campaign wasn't going on?

Seems a lot of people are doing exactly what you did.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...y%203-m&cmpt=q

No, I would not have, and in that way it is good. However, many don't google it, or don't care about the true meaning, and that's not good.
Awareness is just the first step, talk.
We know we can talk the talk, but can we walk the walk?

pwnageNick 19-08-2014 16:36

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Originally Posted by GrifBot
I guarantee you, three quarters of the people who actually do the challenge don't even know what ALS is. I didn't know what it was after seeing nearly 200 videos of people dumping ice cold water over their heads. But one Google search was much more effective. In one google search, I completely understood what ALS was.

While I'm completely behind the challenge itself, whether someone's motive behind making a video is to raise money and awareness, you are literally a prime example of the challenge raising some awareness.

Were you aware of what ALS was before the challenge popped up online? No. Are you now aware what ALS is? Yes.

Hence you are now aware.

However one could argue, there are different and possibly more effective ways to raise awareness, and by result money than doing the "Ice Bucket Challenge."

-Nick

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 16:40

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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1396983)
While I'm completely behind the challenge itself, whether someone's motive behind making a video is to raise money and awareness, you are literally a prime example of the challenge raising some awareness.

Were you aware of what ALS was before the challenge popped up online? No. Are you now aware what ALS is? Yes.

Hence you are now aware.

However one could argue, there are different and possibly more effective ways to raise awareness, and by result money than doing the "Ice Bucket Challenge."

-Nick

Exactly what I'm getting at. Talk isn't good enough in modern day society. Talk is awareness. Talk won't get us anywhere. Actions will always speak louder than words, as many have said time and time again.
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

BigJ 19-08-2014 16:53

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396984)
Exactly what I'm getting at. Talk isn't good enough in modern day society. Talk is awareness. Talk won't get us anywhere. Actions will always speak louder than words, as many have said time and time again.
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

The "Ice Bucket Challenge" simply latched into the "viral-ness" of other "challenges" going around on social media (ex. eat a spoonful of cinnamon, chug any of a large selection of drinks, etc.).

The Challenge puts a lot of eyes and talk around the issue, and guess what? Talk IS good enough in modern day society and the era of social media. Even if only 0.1% of the people who see these videos will donate, ALS research will make a lot of money. (Hint: This is how free-to-play games like Candy Crush Saga and the like made so much money.)

Your other argument is trying to change the topic, but I'm willing to wager the amount of water thrown over heads for the Challenge (which is reentering the watershed anyway) is a small small fraction of the overall water supply of any city that a Challenge participant lives in (the only reasonable frame of reference in which to make that particular argument).

pwnageNick 19-08-2014 16:57

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Originally Posted by GrifBot
Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse

This makes absolutely no sense. How does making people aware of one disease [ALS] take away from awareness of people dying from unclean water?

Awareness, or better worded, knowledge, is something that a person is not limited of.

Now if you want to make the argument that raising money for ALS could potentially take money away from other issues/problems/fundraisers, then you could make that arguement. But I don't think that anyone would argue putting money toward ALS is a bad use of money compared to using it for another cause.

Also, awareness of an illness or topic, or "talk" as you call it, is never a bad thing. Again, people don't have a limit to how much knowledge they can have so the more people that are aware of an disease or illness, the better. And in general, the more people that are aware of ALS, odds are the more people that will end up donating (Reportedly $21 million more raised during time period this year compared to last year).

-Nick

pntbll1313 19-08-2014 17:02

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396984)
It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse)

I agree that the $20 million+ dollars doesn't in any way benefit people without clean water, however I'm not certain I see the connection to this making the problem of dying of unclean water worse. While that is a very real issue, I don't see how pouring a bucket of water over my head in Minnesota is going to negatively affect anyone dying of unclean water. It will just go into the ground water, the shower drain, the lake, the air, wherever it is I dumped it. It will then eventually rain down again. There is literally no way I could get this water from Minnesota to anywhere where it would do any good without wasting either more money, gas, or energy than it was worth in the first place (likely worth around a penny).

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 17:16

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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1396987)
This makes absolutely no sense. How does making people aware of one disease [ALS] take away from awareness of people dying from unclean water?

By dumping perfectly clean water over your head you are wasting water that could be used to help fix another cause. It is not taking away awareness, it is taking away the possibility to benefit another cause slightly. However, all in all, you can't win everything, and with so many problems linking to different causes and effects, it's hard to do one thing without affecting another.
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Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1396986)
Your other argument is trying to change the topic, but I'm willing to wager the amount of water thrown over heads for the Challenge (which is reentering the watershed anyway) is a small small fraction of the overall water supply of any city that a Challenge participant lives in (the only reasonable frame of reference in which to make that particular argument).

Firstly, it's not changing the topic, as I clearly mentioned it in my first post regarding this topic. Also, that argument is somewhat irrelevant. That water is essentially mandatory for our day to day lives, and not used to jump onto a bandwagon. Although there is no doubt that we need to use less water in our households, and we most certainly could, it's now become mandatory. However, dumping a couple of liters over your head (for the purpose of becoming part of the bandwagon for most, not all) is not necessary, and there are much more effective ways of helping the cause, like simply donating. A few celebs simply promoting the cause would be good enough, and it wouldn't use up any water.
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Originally Posted by pntbll1313 (Post 1396988)
I agree that the $20 million+ dollars doesn't in any way benefit people without clean water, however I'm not certain I see the connection to this making the problem of dying of unclean water worse. While that is a very real issue, I don't see how pouring a bucket of water over my head in Minnesota is going to negatively affect anyone dying of unclean water. It will just go into the ground water, the shower drain, the lake, the air, wherever it is I dumped it. It will then eventually rain down again. There is literally no way I could get this water from Minnesota to anywhere where it would do any good without wasting either more money, gas, or energy than it was worth in the first place (likely worth around a penny).

It is more of a mockery and a pure waste of water really, not just making the problem worse. Money will help benefit the research of ALS and help create a cure. Money will also help cure the lack of water in poor countries. But although water has an indirect effect on ALS, it has a direct effect on thirst, which makes it much more effective in that use.

Andrew Schreiber 19-08-2014 17:20

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Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1396992)
By dumping perfectly clean water over your head you are wasting water that could be used to help fix another cause. It is not taking away awareness, it is taking away the possibility to benefit another cause slightly. However, all in all, you can't win everything, and with so many problems linking to different causes and effects, it's hard to do one thing without affecting another.

Unless that cause is brown lawn I highly doubt that.

You want to talk about wastes of water this shouldn't even be in your top 10. This is what, at most a couple gallons of water? The average American uses how much? I've heard numbers upwards of 100 gallons a day, most of which is for disposing of waste.

g_sawchuk 19-08-2014 17:24

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1396993)
Unless that cause is brown lawn I highly doubt that.

You want to talk about wastes of water this shouldn't even be in your top 10. This is what, at most a couple gallons of water? The average American uses how much? I've heard numbers upwards of 100 gallons a day, most of which is for disposing of waste.

It's most certainly not one of the biggest wastes. However, it's one that should easily be prevented, and stopped. Society these days is just awful, with dozens of wacky, weird bandwagons. Having a spoonful of cinnamon. Twerking. And now this. The other past bandwagons aren't really doing much harm, and stopping them wouldn't do much good. But stopping this one could make a small, direct difference for a good cause.

I'm sorry if anyone is offended, I have absolutely no intention to fight as I was simply stating my opinion.

Sam Tyson 19-08-2014 20:33

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With all the complaining about "wasting water", it makes me wonder if you truly believe that the amount of water being used in this challenge is greatly affecting those without. How much water is wasted by the world daily? Or by you for that matter? Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine? Whatever the argument, do whatever you feel will help the ALS Association. And please don't judge those who are getting out awareness, regardless of their means. As long as it's safe, go for it!

Jared Russell 19-08-2014 20:56

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Originally Posted by Sam Tyson (Post 1397030)
Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine?


gc_coxen 19-08-2014 22:29

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As some of you are saying, 'ALS ice bucket challenge is just another bandwagon ad campaign and that most of the people doing it don't know what ALS is.' I disagree almost completely. The ice bucket challenge has been a very successful campaign in raising awareness for ALS. There may be some people who just do this to follow a trend but the largest portion of people doing the ice bucket challenge are doing this to spread the word and hey, it's a fun way to spread awareness and millions have already been donated on top of that.

I'm also aware that California is in a drought and has been for some time but that doesn't mean you cant participate in spreading the word, maybe go jump in a lake or pour a small cup of cold water on your head, the whole point is to do this fun freezing thing then challenge your friends or better yet, donate $100.

BHS_STopping 19-08-2014 23:30

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I find it silly that anybody is complaining about "wasting water", to the point where it's almost ludicrous. You want to know how to offset somebody wasting 10 gallons of fresh water? Next time you make a hamburger, make it 3% smaller. That's it. It takes 300 gallons of fresh water to make one small hamburger. It's so easy for you to accidentally waste a bucket's worth of water by preparing a meal which is slightly too big that I simply cannot fathom in what context it is worth complaining about.

Sam Tyson 20-08-2014 01:12

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Despite all of the arguing, bickering, "soap boxing", and justifications. The fact that we are all talking about issues like ALS and water conservation makes this whole thread a "win".
If you want to do the challenge, do it. If not, don't. Do something else instead, or just donate. If you can't do any of that, then hopefully, at least you are more aware of what ALS is and how it affects those with it, and those who know someone who has it.
People affected like Stephen Hawking (theoretical physicist & cosmologist), and Don Post (winner of the Betty Jane France Humanitarian Award). Look Don up. Despite having ALS, he is a true inspiration.

g_sawchuk 20-08-2014 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BHS_STopping (Post 1397063)
I find it silly that anybody is complaining about "wasting water", to the point where it's almost ludicrous. You want to know how to offset somebody wasting 10 gallons of fresh water? Next time you make a hamburger, make it 3% smaller. That's it. It takes 300 gallons of fresh water to make one small hamburger. It's so easy for you to accidentally waste a bucket's worth of water by preparing a meal which is slightly too big that I simply cannot fathom in what context it is worth complaining about.

Food is food. Food is useful, as I am sure many of you will agree. Food feeds you. Food is not what you post on social media to get a lot of attention (well, some people do, but those are very interesting people). Dousing yourself with a bucket full of ice cold water is used to get attention, not to feed yourself. Water is something that should be used not as a way to get attention in a silly scheme, but to cure your thirst. Not once have I ever said that we shouldn't try and save water other ways. But those other ways have become the way of life, a necessity. Water to bathe yourself. Water to brush your teeth. Should water be a way of attention too? Because attention really shouldn't be a way of life. Use water usefully, at least usefully in the context of the modern day society.

Plus, if you are desperate to partake in the challenge, wait till the winter and dump an all natural bucket of water over your head. Or snow.

#snowbucketchallenge

Lil' Lavery 20-08-2014 17:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Tyson (Post 1397030)
With all the complaining about "wasting water", it makes me wonder if you truly believe that the amount of water being used in this challenge is greatly affecting those without. How much water is wasted by the world daily? Or by you for that matter? Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine? Whatever the argument, do whatever you feel will help the ALS Association. And please don't judge those who are getting out awareness, regardless of their means. As long as it's safe, go for it!

That's not a valid point at all. It's an ad hominem attack, first off. Secondly, just because there are other wasteful water habits doesn't mean that every waste of water is acceptable.

g_sawchuk 20-08-2014 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1397221)
That's not a valid point at all. It's an ad hominem attack, first off. Secondly, just because there are other wasteful water habits doesn't mean that every waste of water is acceptable.

Well, this has to be the first waste of water that is used for a use that the human race revolves much to greatly around. Attention. And in my opinion, it is the most useless thing for one to use water for.

Andrew Schreiber 20-08-2014 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1397223)
Well, this has to be the first waste of water that is used for a use that the human race revolves much to greatly around. Attention. And in my opinion, it is the most useless thing for one to use water for.

Ever been to Vegas? Golf courses in the middle of a desert.

g_sawchuk 20-08-2014 17:33

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1397226)
Ever been to Vegas? Golf courses in the middle of a desert.

Well Vegas is it's own case, considering how different it is from the average city. Comparing things in Vegas to things around the world in general is like comparing a picture of a robot and a robot made by 254. It's an unfair and extremely far out comparison.

asid61 20-08-2014 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1397214)
Food is food. Food is useful, as I am sure many of you will agree. Food feeds you. Food is not what you post on social media to get a lot of attention (well, some people do, but those are very interesting people). Dousing yourself with a bucket full of ice cold water is used to get attention, not to feed yourself. Water is something that should be used not as a way to get attention in a silly scheme, but to cure your thirst. Not once have I ever said that we shouldn't try and save water other ways. But those other ways have become the way of life, a necessity. Water to bathe yourself. Water to brush your teeth. Should water be a way of attention too? Because attention really shouldn't be a way of life. Use water usefully, at least usefully in the context of the modern day society.

Plus, if you are desperate to partake in the challenge, wait till the winter and dump an all natural bucket of water over your head. Or snow.

#snowbucketchallenge

The point of dousing oneself with water is to get attention. That's the entire point of this ALS campaign.

I had not heard of ALS until I heard about the challenge. I agree that it does waste water, but worrying about such trivial matters raises an interesting point:
Survivors of ALS will use a lot of water. By dumping buckets of water, we are raising awareness to raise money to find a cure for ALS. Considerably less water will be dumped in buckets than surivors of ALS will consume. And to me, I think that it's okay to use a bit of extra water so that these people can live.
Essentially, wasting a few buckets of water are the smallest concern people can have with this campaign.
Food for thought.

gc_coxen 20-08-2014 23:07

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Here is an interesting link from earlier today to start off this post:
http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/ho...ised-till-now/


Quote:

Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1397214)
Food is food. Food is useful, as I am sure many of you will agree. Food feeds you. Food is not what you post on social media to get a lot of attention (well, some people do, but those are very interesting people). Dousing yourself with a bucket full of ice cold water is used to get attention, not to feed yourself. Water is something that should be used not as a way to get attention in a silly scheme, but to cure your thirst. Not once have I ever said that we shouldn't try and save water other ways. But those other ways have become the way of life, a necessity. Water to bathe yourself. Water to brush your teeth. Should water be a way of attention too? Because attention really shouldn't be a way of life. Use water usefully, at least usefully in the context of the modern day society.

Plus, if you are desperate to partake in the challenge, wait till the winter and dump an all natural bucket of water over your head. Or snow.

#snowbucketchallenge

Some of the things you just said are plain silly. This isn't something that should be compared to food because the goal of the ice bucket challenge has nothing to do with food. Are you calling The ALS Association silly? Well that right there doesn't make much sense. Pouring a bucket of water on your head is a way to raise awareness about this association and to raise funding. It may seem like a strange and even wasteful way to raise awareness but it's something that's fun to do and something that's fun to challenge your friends to do also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1397214)
Dousing yourself with a bucket full of ice cold water is used to get attention

In some ways, yes, it is used to get attention and by getting attention they are raising awareness for ALS and also large quantities of money are being donated which helps with research. So, by the rules of the ice bucket challenge, if you refuse to partake in the dumping of ice cold water upon your head you must donate, so below is the link to where you can donate.
http://www.alsa.org/donate/

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrifBot (Post 1397214)
#snowbucketchallenge

Hate to break it to you, but snow is water. Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical of your main points?

Botsup 20-08-2014 23:48

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Wow, 4 pages of arguments over water......

Is it the off season or what?

g_sawchuk 21-08-2014 07:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gc_coxen (Post 1397290)
Hate to break it to you, but snow is water. Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical of your main points?

That was a joke, if you didn't get that.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Botsup (Post 1397298)
Wow, 4 pages of arguments over water......

Is it the off season or what?

Arguing over water is just prep for this years water game.

Cory 21-08-2014 12:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gc_coxen (Post 1397290)
So, by the rules of the ice bucket challenge, if you refuse to partake in the dumping of ice cold water upon your head you must donate, so below is the link to where you can donate.
http://www.alsa.org/donate/

By the rules of the ice bucket challenge, you donate no matter what, not just if you don't complete it. That seems to be getting lost in all the noise about this.

The point was never to just "raise awareness" by taking 30s to post on Facebook...it was to raise awareness AND donate.

Mastonevich 21-08-2014 17:21

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The challenge involves people getting doused with buckets of ice water on video, posting that video to social media, then nominating others to do the same, all in an effort to raise ALS awareness. People can either accept the challenge or make a donation to an ALS Charity of their choice, or do both.

http://www.alsa.org/news/archive/ice...challenge.html

Cory 21-08-2014 20:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mastonevich (Post 1397443)
The challenge involves people getting doused with buckets of ice water on video, posting that video to social media, then nominating others to do the same, all in an effort to raise ALS awareness. People can either accept the challenge or make a donation to an ALS Charity of their choice, or do both.

http://www.alsa.org/news/archive/ice...challenge.html

We can quibble about this all we want, but as this first started making the rounds, it was donate $10 and dump ice all over yourself (I also saw $25), or don't do it and donate $100.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...ket-challenge/ details this, as do other sites.

T^2 22-08-2014 02:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mastonevich (Post 1397443)
[b]People can either accept the challenge or make a donation to an ALS Charity of their choice, or do both.

Or, they could choose to ignore the request. As, undoubtedly, most of the users on CD have done.

Mastonevich 22-08-2014 06:30

42 million donated as of yesterday. Seems like a lot of people are donating which is great.

Taylor 22-08-2014 07:04

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Originally Posted by T^2 (Post 1397505)
Or, they could choose to ignore the request. As, undoubtedly, most of the users on CD have done.

Not us!

wilsonmw04 22-08-2014 08:32

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If you are challenged and don't donate to something you feel worthwhile, (some folks have a problem with some of ALS' research approaches) you are a putz. The goal is to raise money. The videos are just the social media aspect of the fundraising drive. If you want to make a video of you getting dumped with ice cold water to put on the interwebs, that's your prerogative. Don't call it the ALS cold water challenge if you don't actually donate.

g_sawchuk 22-08-2014 14:07

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https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/...us-weekly.html
This is an interesting article, kind of shocking, and rather awful, but it does show the other side of things.

pfreivald 22-08-2014 16:10

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That $42 million includes $10M just from Wednesday and Thursday of this week--it's truly exploding across the net, gaining momentum across the US and now in other countries.

I did the challenge and donated in honor of my friend and Horror Writers Association president Rocky Wood, who is now confined to a wheelchair and able to communicate only via iPad because of ALS. As with all who are diagnosed, his long-range prognosis is terrible in the true sense of the word.

I challenged three authors rather more famous than I am; they all agreed to do it--dumped and donated. I've been contacted by friends and fans alike who had no idea what ALS is, who now know.

In addition to the direct monetary gain and the indirect increase in awareness, it is worth noting that Rocky and many people like him take great delight in seeing the support and willingness from so many wonderful people. (Rocky, a Stephen King biographer, got to watch King dedicate his ice water dumping to him.) Anything that can bring comfort to the afflicted is something to consider.

Finally, concerns over fresh water are about transport and supply--any water dumped as part of this challenge will return to the atmosphere and keep doing its watery thang. Even in drought-stricken California, if all thirty-eight million residents were to dump a gallon of ice water on their heads, they'd still use less water than seventy Olympic-sized swimming pools. There are an estimated 43,123 swimming pools just in Los Angeles (as of December 2013), comprising a total of 760 million gallons of water--the full volume of which is gradually replaced throughout the year.... That doesn't count the rest of the state.

This is a win all day long.

guniv 22-08-2014 19:01

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I suppose this is the best place to post our team's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaUm79wEks

We challenged two other local teams, 3824 and 4265.

DiehardCybercard 22-08-2014 19:12

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So originally the whole AndyMark crew was nominated by our good friend Jon Kentfield. As individuals we are donating but decided to do the challenge together. For your viewing pleasure, AndyMark accepts the challenge.

http://youtu.be/fJm5Ck2W0fs

We've nominated Paul Copioli from VEX and Frank, Nick, Kate, Colin, and Derek from FIRST.

Steven Donow 22-08-2014 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DiehardCybercard (Post 1397685)
So originally the whole AndyMark crew was nominated by our good friend Jon Kentfield. As individuals we are donating but decided to do the challenge together. For your viewing pleasure, AndyMark accepts the challenge.

http://youtu.be/fJm5Ck2W0fs

We've nominated Paul Copioli from VEX and Frank, Nick, Kate, Colin, and Derek from FIRST.

125 actually challenged Frank already

And we got this fun response from him

Mastonevich 23-08-2014 04:51

Add another 12 million in just one day for a total of 53 million. Pretty great stuff.

ToddF 24-08-2014 17:32

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2363 Triple Helix Mentors got dumped on today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O3p...RUtz3Dy8ynfN3A

Ryan Dognaux 24-08-2014 20:57

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4329 used our 2014 robot to shoot a ball to dump the first bucket on a long line of our students - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruACLVJdzSk

AmoryG 24-08-2014 21:18

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If there is such a concern over wasting fresh water, does this mean we're never going to have a water game?

g_sawchuk 25-08-2014 09:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AmoryG (Post 1397857)
If there is such a concern over wasting fresh water, does this mean we're never going to have a water game?

We can always hope.... :rolleyes:

Anthony Galea 25-08-2014 11:24

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9U...ature=youtu.be

Woodie took the challenge :)

Mastonevich 25-08-2014 17:39

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http://www.alsa.org/news/media/press...ge-082514.html

About $80 Million in donations, wow.

Botsup 25-08-2014 21:30

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I hope that when I am 71 years old I am half as cool as Woodie. That man is amazing! (Who am I kidding, I will never be close to that cool!).

Navid Shafa 25-08-2014 21:34

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Kevin Ross took the ‪#‎IceBucketChallenge‬ to the next level. Introducing the ‪#‎LegoBucketChallenge‬. He nominated Scott Evans, Kathy Vachon, and Don Bossi:

http://youtu.be/IwYGQgbYw9I


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