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Hey FIRSTers, I was nominated for the ALS Bucket Challenge. I know by now everyone has heard of this but if you haven't you now have 24 hours to take the challenge or donate $100 to ALS. STEM is the answer to these extremely difficult problems. Please help this extremely worthy cause. |
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Even better, just donate and don't waste a bunch of water/ice.
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If you're in the Indianapolis area, join us on September 27th as we walk in memory of my father, who was taken by ALS in May.
His team, "We'll Fly", pays homage to his hobby as a private pilot; the license plate that was on his 1923 T-Bucket and Corvette also read "I'LL FLY". Donations are also accepted through the same link. |
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Do it AND donate. |
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California friends, donate the $$ and save the H20.
I donated and took the challenge. I would not have without the challenge, reminding me what an important cause this is. |
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Theres the completely opposite stance. When I look at things like this, I look at $ raised per video submitted. ALS is doing a lot better than many other viral fundraisers. I had no idea what ALS is. Now I know, and I thought some of the videos were cute/funny/creative so I donated. The huffington post article was a bit too skeptical in it's tone and didn't resonate with me personally Some quotes from the Washington Post: “It’s been incredible,” said Erin Fleming, the group’s associate director. “We are somewhat shocked at how many people are ‘putting their money where their mouths are’ for this challenge — in our experience, it’s difficult for awareness campaigns to translate into dollars, but the ice bucket challenge has certainly succeeded on both fronts.” "The ALS Association, the nation’s largest ALS charity, says it’s raised $1.35 million in the past two weeks, versus a paltry $22,000 in the same period last year. Project ALS, a New York-based non-profit that funds ALS research, told the Post it’s received nearly 50 times the donations it usually gets this time of year" |
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Amongst the people I see doing it on Facebook, I don't see many that are doing the challenge and then saying they donated afterwards. I see a lot more people that seem to just be doing it because it's the trendy thing to do and then call their friends out to do it too. Maybe they're doing it and not telling people? But who is willing to self promote that they are doing the ice challenge but not that they donated money to a good cause? |
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Just make a donation, and try to spread actual information about the disease and how to help through your FB/Twitter channels. It's a much better use of your time and resources. (On a side note, your comment made me think: What do y'all think Dean would say about this colossal waste of water? Considering his biggest project is to bring clean water to those who don't have it. Yes, shameless plug for Slingshot, I don't care. Go see it if you can.) |
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As for what you and Cory are bringing up about water waste: I get that its slightly irresponsible to dump a bucket of water on yourself. Use a cup full of water... its the sentiment and participation that matter. Most places in the US aren't in a drought. Comparing a bucket of water in New York to a bucket of water in Africa is just plain silly... i dont see that as a valid comparison at all. |
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(Please note, I'm talking in my post about the people who just post the water-dump without any mention of what ALS is, how to donate, or anything. That's the slacktivist side of this that's killing me. Some people are just throwing water on themselves without any demonstrated knowledge of why.) Maybe it's my background with family in medicine, but I truly didn't think there were people out there who didn't know what some of these major diseases are. TIL, or something like that. My apologies. |
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http://slingshotdoc.com/ (No, actually, See it if you can. This is Dean's other 'big project' besides FIRST and if we could all go support him in this, it'd mean the world.) |
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Im not trying to get into an argument with you, but I disagree that this is a "waste" of water. I think its a pretty darn useful way of using water to raise awareness for something that I am realizing is very important, and something that I was completely in the dark about a month ago. Americans use 400 gal of water on average per day. I think there are other things we should cut back on before we cut back on using a few gallons to raise money for a deserving charity. I would also like to second the suggestions to go see slingshot. Awesome movie if you can find a theater that'll play it. |
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There's plenty of water in the world. There's not a lot of low-cost, clean, accessible water for people to drink. That's the aim of Slingshot. It's not just creating infinite water, it's taking the dirty water that these areas have access to and making it clean. It's a cycle. Second point: More screenings coming soon, so that will be an awesome thing. :) |
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There are lots of noble causes out there to support, as well as amazing documentaries that chronicle them.
While I appreciate the bumps, let's please stay on Wendy's original topic in this thread. There is already a place to discuss Dean's Slingshot. My previous post linked to a place to make donations if you please; here is the whole ALS Association website. Those of us directly affected thank you. |
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The challenge didn't go viral and didn't find the success it has managed to have by one dude going "okay, Internet, you're all challenged, do it now or donate $100!" It caught on because the challenges following it were individual and targeted. This creates some social obligation to follow through, as well as an entertaining few second video clip of your friends covered in ice. Hopefully , ideally, that makes you stop scrolling through Facebook for a second to at least think about and research disorders like ALS. (Honestly, I think Facebook embedding videos on mobile is a huge part of why this caught on.)
Effective and useful (hey, $4 million+ isn't a joke), or pointless and stupid, whatever you want to call it, challenging 1000+ people all at once just doesn't work. It's so broad no one feels any obligation to do it, which was the main impetus kicking this meme forward. If I posted "the entirety of the Internet is now challenged", how many people would do it because of what I said? Probably nobody. That said, it is by all means a worthy cause and I hope no one on the fence uses this post to rationalize not donating. |
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Actually, this was mildly popular with teams a few weeks before MN State Champs, but it was just a cold water challenge with no donation whatsoever if I remember correctly. Teams here just went to the lake and freezed their butts off (which of course raised health issues because the water was way, way too cold to be swimming in) and after a while there were police officers (rumour has it) patrolling the local lakes and warning people against doing it.
It was pretty silly, and our team never did it as a whole even when we were supposed to (although people on our team did anyway, including me. I got kinda sick). It's better to put your effort into actually educating yourself on why you were told to go jump in a lake than jumping in the lake yourself and getting sick (summer colds = bad). |
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Water has a cost. Granted we shouldn't be "wasting it" but by looking at this quote and the included statistic, it seems like water well spent.
"The ALS Association, the nation’s largest ALS charity, says it’s raised $1.35 million in the past two weeks, versus a paltry $22,000 in the same period last year. Project ALS, a New York-based non-profit that funds ALS research, told the Post it’s received nearly 50 times the donations it usually gets this time of year" |
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Hawaii folks have been doing it all summer the past couple of months. Perfect time to cool off from our usual hot weather while supporting a worthy cause.
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More 1912ers taking the challenge. And everyone, please remember to donate
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We were challenged by our schools principle to build a "robot" to dump the bucket on them. This is what we came up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDo...6ZAgZsoG_hyEmQ The school also made a video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zykyDleSjy8 |
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That is so beyond cool. (no pun intended). Reverse dunk tank FTW!
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Just going to share my two cents here, because I feel that they're needed.
I see the intention of this project. It's to raise awareness, and many would argue that it has been beyond successful in this aspect. However, the truth is, it has not. I guarantee you, three quarters of the people who actually do the challenge don't even know what ALS is. I didn't know what it was after seeing nearly 200 videos of people dumping ice cold water over their heads. But one Google search was much more effective. In one google search, I completely understood what ALS was. It's therefore proven that watching 200 people make a fool of themselves is such an uneffective way of raising awareness for this awful disease. The truth is, most people aren't even doing this with the intention of awareness. It's really just another ridiculous bandwagon, like twerking, or weird hashtags. People do it to be in a "clique" and do it to try and seem "cool". I appreciate those who do it with the intention of awareness, and I really wish their efforts really were raising true awareness. Now, an effective way that this could work would be by requiring people who do the challenge to describe the disease in the same post as their video in their social media post. That way knowledge of the disease would spread, therefore creating meaningful awareness. I strongly recommend for everyone to choose to donate, but please, don't make a fool of yourselves just to jump in the bandwagon, and don't bother wasting all that water. It's like you're taunting those who cannot have water. If we took all the water dumped on each and every one of you, and gave it to the people who can't even get a cup of clean water everyday, I think it would do a lot more good. In short, this is why I shall not be dumping a waste of ice cold water over my head. |
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This might be the one time Charlie Sheen should be a good example to us: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1908475 |
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Seems a lot of people are doing exactly what you did. http://www.google.com/trends/explore...y%203-m&cmpt=q |
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Awareness is just the first step, talk. We know we can talk the talk, but can we walk the walk? |
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Were you aware of what ALS was before the challenge popped up online? No. Are you now aware what ALS is? Yes. Hence you are now aware. However one could argue, there are different and possibly more effective ways to raise awareness, and by result money than doing the "Ice Bucket Challenge." -Nick |
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It could also be argued that we are killing one dragon and feeding another. (Dragons representing problems, destroying the problem of ALS, but making the problem of people dying of unclean water worse) |
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The Challenge puts a lot of eyes and talk around the issue, and guess what? Talk IS good enough in modern day society and the era of social media. Even if only 0.1% of the people who see these videos will donate, ALS research will make a lot of money. (Hint: This is how free-to-play games like Candy Crush Saga and the like made so much money.) Your other argument is trying to change the topic, but I'm willing to wager the amount of water thrown over heads for the Challenge (which is reentering the watershed anyway) is a small small fraction of the overall water supply of any city that a Challenge participant lives in (the only reasonable frame of reference in which to make that particular argument). |
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Awareness, or better worded, knowledge, is something that a person is not limited of. Now if you want to make the argument that raising money for ALS could potentially take money away from other issues/problems/fundraisers, then you could make that arguement. But I don't think that anyone would argue putting money toward ALS is a bad use of money compared to using it for another cause. Also, awareness of an illness or topic, or "talk" as you call it, is never a bad thing. Again, people don't have a limit to how much knowledge they can have so the more people that are aware of an disease or illness, the better. And in general, the more people that are aware of ALS, odds are the more people that will end up donating (Reportedly $21 million more raised during time period this year compared to last year). -Nick |
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You want to talk about wastes of water this shouldn't even be in your top 10. This is what, at most a couple gallons of water? The average American uses how much? I've heard numbers upwards of 100 gallons a day, most of which is for disposing of waste. |
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I'm sorry if anyone is offended, I have absolutely no intention to fight as I was simply stating my opinion. |
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With all the complaining about "wasting water", it makes me wonder if you truly believe that the amount of water being used in this challenge is greatly affecting those without. How much water is wasted by the world daily? Or by you for that matter? Do you turn off the shower while soaping up? Do you have low-flow toilets? Do you recycle and filter your urine? Whatever the argument, do whatever you feel will help the ALS Association. And please don't judge those who are getting out awareness, regardless of their means. As long as it's safe, go for it!
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As some of you are saying, 'ALS ice bucket challenge is just another bandwagon ad campaign and that most of the people doing it don't know what ALS is.' I disagree almost completely. The ice bucket challenge has been a very successful campaign in raising awareness for ALS. There may be some people who just do this to follow a trend but the largest portion of people doing the ice bucket challenge are doing this to spread the word and hey, it's a fun way to spread awareness and millions have already been donated on top of that.
I'm also aware that California is in a drought and has been for some time but that doesn't mean you cant participate in spreading the word, maybe go jump in a lake or pour a small cup of cold water on your head, the whole point is to do this fun freezing thing then challenge your friends or better yet, donate $100. |
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I find it silly that anybody is complaining about "wasting water", to the point where it's almost ludicrous. You want to know how to offset somebody wasting 10 gallons of fresh water? Next time you make a hamburger, make it 3% smaller. That's it. It takes 300 gallons of fresh water to make one small hamburger. It's so easy for you to accidentally waste a bucket's worth of water by preparing a meal which is slightly too big that I simply cannot fathom in what context it is worth complaining about.
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Despite all of the arguing, bickering, "soap boxing", and justifications. The fact that we are all talking about issues like ALS and water conservation makes this whole thread a "win".
If you want to do the challenge, do it. If not, don't. Do something else instead, or just donate. If you can't do any of that, then hopefully, at least you are more aware of what ALS is and how it affects those with it, and those who know someone who has it. People affected like Stephen Hawking (theoretical physicist & cosmologist), and Don Post (winner of the Betty Jane France Humanitarian Award). Look Don up. Despite having ALS, he is a true inspiration. |
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Plus, if you are desperate to partake in the challenge, wait till the winter and dump an all natural bucket of water over your head. Or snow. #snowbucketchallenge |
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I had not heard of ALS until I heard about the challenge. I agree that it does waste water, but worrying about such trivial matters raises an interesting point: Survivors of ALS will use a lot of water. By dumping buckets of water, we are raising awareness to raise money to find a cure for ALS. Considerably less water will be dumped in buckets than surivors of ALS will consume. And to me, I think that it's okay to use a bit of extra water so that these people can live. Essentially, wasting a few buckets of water are the smallest concern people can have with this campaign. Food for thought. |
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Here is an interesting link from earlier today to start off this post:
http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/ho...ised-till-now/ Quote:
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Wow, 4 pages of arguments over water......
Is it the off season or what? |
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The point was never to just "raise awareness" by taking 30s to post on Facebook...it was to raise awareness AND donate. |
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The challenge involves people getting doused with buckets of ice water on video, posting that video to social media, then nominating others to do the same, all in an effort to raise ALS awareness. People can either accept the challenge or make a donation to an ALS Charity of their choice, or do both.
http://www.alsa.org/news/archive/ice...challenge.html |
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http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...ket-challenge/ details this, as do other sites. |
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42 million donated as of yesterday. Seems like a lot of people are donating which is great.
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If you are challenged and don't donate to something you feel worthwhile, (some folks have a problem with some of ALS' research approaches) you are a putz. The goal is to raise money. The videos are just the social media aspect of the fundraising drive. If you want to make a video of you getting dumped with ice cold water to put on the interwebs, that's your prerogative. Don't call it the ALS cold water challenge if you don't actually donate.
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https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/...us-weekly.html
This is an interesting article, kind of shocking, and rather awful, but it does show the other side of things. |
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That $42 million includes $10M just from Wednesday and Thursday of this week--it's truly exploding across the net, gaining momentum across the US and now in other countries.
I did the challenge and donated in honor of my friend and Horror Writers Association president Rocky Wood, who is now confined to a wheelchair and able to communicate only via iPad because of ALS. As with all who are diagnosed, his long-range prognosis is terrible in the true sense of the word. I challenged three authors rather more famous than I am; they all agreed to do it--dumped and donated. I've been contacted by friends and fans alike who had no idea what ALS is, who now know. In addition to the direct monetary gain and the indirect increase in awareness, it is worth noting that Rocky and many people like him take great delight in seeing the support and willingness from so many wonderful people. (Rocky, a Stephen King biographer, got to watch King dedicate his ice water dumping to him.) Anything that can bring comfort to the afflicted is something to consider. Finally, concerns over fresh water are about transport and supply--any water dumped as part of this challenge will return to the atmosphere and keep doing its watery thang. Even in drought-stricken California, if all thirty-eight million residents were to dump a gallon of ice water on their heads, they'd still use less water than seventy Olympic-sized swimming pools. There are an estimated 43,123 swimming pools just in Los Angeles (as of December 2013), comprising a total of 760 million gallons of water--the full volume of which is gradually replaced throughout the year.... That doesn't count the rest of the state. This is a win all day long. |
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I suppose this is the best place to post our team's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaUm79wEks
We challenged two other local teams, 3824 and 4265. |
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So originally the whole AndyMark crew was nominated by our good friend Jon Kentfield. As individuals we are donating but decided to do the challenge together. For your viewing pleasure, AndyMark accepts the challenge.
http://youtu.be/fJm5Ck2W0fs We've nominated Paul Copioli from VEX and Frank, Nick, Kate, Colin, and Derek from FIRST. |
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And we got this fun response from him |
Add another 12 million in just one day for a total of 53 million. Pretty great stuff.
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2363 Triple Helix Mentors got dumped on today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O3p...RUtz3Dy8ynfN3A |
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4329 used our 2014 robot to shoot a ball to dump the first bucket on a long line of our students - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruACLVJdzSk
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If there is such a concern over wasting fresh water, does this mean we're never going to have a water game?
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I hope that when I am 71 years old I am half as cool as Woodie. That man is amazing! (Who am I kidding, I will never be close to that cool!).
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Kevin Ross took the #IceBucketChallenge to the next level. Introducing the #LegoBucketChallenge. He nominated Scott Evans, Kathy Vachon, and Don Bossi:
http://youtu.be/IwYGQgbYw9I |
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