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cjl2625 22-08-2014 21:04
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1397656)
You would generate five or six. 3x regional winner, 1x CA, 1x EI. If you won EI at both of your other events, there would be a sixth wild card.
Well, aren't original and sustaining teams prequalified for CMP?
So if such a team attended 3 regionals, wouldn't that automatically create 3 more wildcards?

Edit: I reread the first post, I guess it doesn't

Jon Stratis 23-08-2014 10:04
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1397663)
Last year Michigan had 10.3% (329 out of 3195 according to the first website) of of all teams, and I saw some semi official prediction somewhere that predicted much more growth next year. If we get to the point where 10.7% of all teams are in Michigan, then all 64 teams at MSC would qualify for worlds under this blog's rules. Even if the percentage stayed the same and 60 or so qualified, I could see this as being an issue. The obvious solution is get a bigger state championship, but EMU's convocation center probably can't hold any more teams. Are there any larger possible venues? Maybe two separate state championship events? I guess we'll see pretty soon when they release the dates for registration.
What about splitting it into two separate districts? East and West, or north and south, whatever makes the most sense. Then each district would have 5% of teams, and the two separate championships would make sense.

Koko Ed 23-08-2014 10:17
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1397644)
Or get Engineering Inspiration
I know MOE really want to win EI.

rsisk 23-08-2014 10:34
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1397723)
I know MOE really want to win EI.
They did at Chestnut Hill last year

Navid Shafa 25-08-2014 21:26
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Knufire (Post 1397683)
Navid Shafta
*Get Shafted* :p

See you this weekend Rahul!

Christopher149 25-08-2014 21:56
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1397721)
What about splitting it into two separate districts? East and West, or north and south, whatever makes the most sense. Then each district would have 5% of teams, and the two separate championships would make sense.
At first blush, geographically, north/south or Detroit area/not-Detroit area might work best.

Deke 26-08-2014 14:07
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1397663)
Last year Michigan had 10.3% (329 out of 3195 according to the first website) of of all teams, and I saw some semi official prediction somewhere that predicted much more growth next year. If we get to the point where 10.7% of all teams are in Michigan, then all 64 teams at MSC would qualify for worlds under this blog's rules. Even if the percentage stayed the same and 60 or so qualified, I could see this as being an issue. The obvious solution is get a bigger state championship, but EMU's convocation center probably can't hold any more teams. Are there any larger possible venues? Maybe two separate state championship events? I guess we'll see pretty soon when they release the dates for registration.
I think the interesting part is going to be how the wait list is handled. If 60+ teams from FiM go to champs only through qualifying through MSC, then there are no more wait list slots available.

So I guess the question is if FiM had 60 slots, are they going to all have to qualify with enough district points, or will there be a FiM wait list?

Another way to look at it, is First setting up 400ish qualifying spots for champs and 200ish wait list slots. Does that mean 40 qualifying for FiM and the other 20 spots are wait listed throughout First? Should those 20 spots be reserved for FiM teams on the wait list?

Maybe someone knows, but that is unclear to me. That should answer if MSC needs to expand or not. I know there were a lot of good teams at MSC that didn't make the cut last year. Hopefully we can make it to MSC next year.

Steven Donow 26-08-2014 15:12
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Infinity2718 (Post 1398049)
I think the interesting part is going to be how the wait list is handled. If 60+ teams from FiM go to champs only through qualifying through MSC, then there are no more wait list slots available.

So I guess the question is if FiM had 60 slots, are they going to all have to qualify with enough district points, or will there be a FiM wait list?

Another way to look at it, is First setting up 400ish qualifying spots for champs and 200ish wait list slots. Does that mean 40 qualifying for FiM and the other 20 spots are wait listed throughout First? Should those 20 spots be reserved for FiM teams on the wait list?

Maybe someone knows, but that is unclear to me. That should answer if MSC needs to expand or not. I know there were a lot of good teams at MSC that didn't make the cut last year. Hopefully we can make it to MSC next year.
Wait list doesn't count towards the "% representation of FRC=% of teams at Championship"

Bryce Paputa 26-08-2014 23:05
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by compwiztobe (Post 1398123)
Everyone seems to want representation at CMP proportional to geographical team population. I've even heard that districts get an advantage in this sense, and that traditional regional teams are losing out. But this spreadsheet shows that no geographical area is more than 3 teams "in the hole" ... except Michigan, who's down by 8. On the other hand, Ontario (still with traditional regionals, albeit 5 of them) is sending 14 more teams than their "fair share." And yet I don't think anyone would argue that these Ontario teams shouldn't be there...
Michigan was down by 8 last year because the proportion of teams used to decide the amount of world qualifiers was from 2013 instead of the current year and ignored the large growth we had last year. This year it will be based on the correct year so this shouldn't be much of an issue.

pntbll1313 26-08-2014 23:07
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by compwiztobe (Post 1398123)
Everyone seems to want representation at CMP proportional to geographical team population. I've even heard that districts get an advantage in this sense, and that traditional regional teams are losing out. But this spreadsheet shows that no geographical area is more than 3 teams "in the hole" ... except Michigan, who's down by 8. On the other hand, Ontario (still with traditional regionals, albeit 5 of them) is sending 14 more teams than their "fair share." And yet I don't think anyone would argue that these Ontario teams shouldn't be there...
That "Actual CMP Rep" seems extremely misleading to me. A normal person would read that and say, "Minnesota was represented by 24 teams at champs in 2014". Where in reality there were 24 total slots handed out at Minnesota regionals, but only 16 Minnesota teams went.

Aren Siekmeier 26-08-2014 23:13
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by pntbll1313 (Post 1398125)
That "Actual CMP Rep" seems extremely misleading to me. A normal person would read that and say, "Minnesota was represented by 24 teams at champs in 2014". Where in reality there were 24 total slots handed out at Minnesota regionals, but only 16 Minnesota teams went.
Yes, I just noticed this... That spreadsheet only shows the regional slots available, I'll amend my previous post.

Deke 27-08-2014 12:20
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1398057)
Wait list doesn't count towards the "% representation of FRC=% of teams at Championship"
Right, I think I am not writing my question clearly.

So if X number of regionals generates X number of championship spots, and that is subtracted from the 600 available spots. What number are the district's percentage applied to for their championship spots? Is it 600 or factored in from the regional teams qualified?

It looks like the going forward strategy is to get teams to champs that haven't been there in a while via the wait list, so it doesn't seem correct that FiM would get 10% of the 600, the ratio seems off to me. It should be factored according to the number of qualified teams of regionals.

If it was 100% district's, it wouldn't matter because they could choose whatever % they wanted, but regionals and district's complicate matters a bit.

MARS_James 27-08-2014 12:44
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Infinity2718 (Post 1398158)
Right, I think I am not writing my question clearly.

So if X number of regionals generates X number of championship spots, and that is subtracted from the 600 available spots. What number are the district's percentage applied to for their championship spots? Is it 600 or factored in from the regional teams qualified?

It looks like the going forward strategy is to get teams to champs that haven't been there in a while via the wait list, so it doesn't seem correct that FiM would get 10% of the 600, the ratio seems off to me. It should be factored according to the number of qualified teams of regionals.

If it was 100% district's, it wouldn't matter because they could choose whatever % they wanted, but regionals and district's complicate matters a bit.
Your words still confuse me let me see if I can answer what I think you are asking. The percentage representation of a district will NOT be calculated out of 600 just like last year it was NOT calculated out of 400.

An FRC Blog located here explains how the calculations will work. The only difference being numbers, instead of 27 prequalified teams out of 400 we now have 32 (The same number of sustaining teams, 1 more hall of fame team, 3 more Engineering Inspiration Award winners, and 1 more Einstein winner than last year) out of 600. So if Michigan had 277 out of 2707 they had 10.23% of all FRC teams, assuming that remains equal they will have (600-32)*.1023 teams or 58 teams (These same numbers can be used for all districts just sub out .1023 for their representation)

Deke 27-08-2014 12:56
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1398161)
Your words still confuse me let me see if I can answer what I think you are asking. The percentage representation of a district will NOT be calculated out of 600 just like last year it was NOT calculated out of 400.

An FRC Blog located here explains how the calculations will work. The only difference being numbers, instead of 27 prequalified teams out of 400 we now have 32 (The same number of sustaining teams, 1 more hall of fame team, 3 more Engineering Inspiration Award winners, and 1 more Einstein winner than last year) out of 600. So if Michigan had 277 out of 2707 they had 10.23% of all FRC teams, assuming that remains equal they will have (600-32)*.1023 teams or 58 teams (These same numbers can be used for all districts just sub out .1023 for their representation)
That does answer it, thanks!

pntbll1313 27-08-2014 13:14
Re: [FRC Blog] 2015 FIRST Championship (and beyond) Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by Infinity2718 (Post 1398164)
That does answer it, thanks!
Well now you have me over thinking it so I don't understand... Say for example they increased champs to 1032 teams for math easiness sake. There are now 1000 total available slots for teams to qualify for and we are saying Fim get 10.23% or 102 teams. FIM would have just increased it's total qualifying from 58 to 102 because championship expanded to 1032 instead of 600. However, regionals still only give away 6 slots each, no matter how huge championship gets. Then of course all teams that did not qualify from either districts or regionals can get in through the wait-list, but I still see districts getting a proportionately larger representation everytime champs increase size, while regionals do not.

What am I still not understanding?


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