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I agree with you it doesn't seem fair the way James explained the calculation because it eliminates the wait list slots. It relies on regionals to set the pace.

To make it fair no teams from district's should be on the First wait list, or each district has its own wait list based on the slots they are given.
Edit: based on the explained calculation.

That's why I was asking how they calculate the allocated slots.

Edit: if it were all regionals or all district's everything gets simplified, it's the combination that's complicated.

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It is true that the current plan is to give district a portion of the available positions at CMP based on the percentage of teams they represent.

At this point FIRST may not expand to that full 600 team CMP, that is still under discussion. There will be more than 400 spaces but may not be a full 600 this season. Regionals will get increased numbers of spots for two reasons #1 the number of Regionals are increasing #2 the new wild card rules means that it will be a rare occurrence for less than 6 teams to earn a spot at a Regional. In the past the average was certainly less than 6 teams, I've seen a few events where there were only 4 new unique teams that earned a spot.

Yes the way the wait list is now set up may favor district teams slightly. The reality is that you have to purposely decided to join the wait list and I suspect that the percentage of teams that will join the waitlist from a District will be less than teams that compete at regionals. The "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" teams that are now in a district have a significantly higher likelihood of going to CMP than similar teams that compete at Regionals. In the long run that means that a far lower percentage of District teams will qualify under the new wait list system.

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I would just like to point out that, if I remember correctly from 2014, 27, 51, and 67 (HOF) all do not take up FiM qualification spots, creating 3 pseudo-wildcard slots, upping the calculated number to 61.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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So do 469 and 74 for the 2015 season.

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It's really early in the morning and my memory might be fuzzy, but from what I remember what you say isn't exactly true.

The HOF teams are auto-qualified, BUT we do not (at least did not in past years) create wildcards for the district. FiM sends X (58 in the above example) point-qualified teams regardless of any other status those teams have. In other words, if team my team (51) fails to qualify, FiM would send 58 qualified teams and we would go on our HOF exemption, resulting in 59 teams from FiM at champs. However, if we qualify on points then FiM still sends 58 qualified teams and our slot at champs for our HOF status opens up for the wait list. (At least this is how I remember it.)

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That is how I remember it too. Any team that qualifies at an outside regional or any HOF team from a district claims a spot from that district. 217 was one example of this this year, chairman's at a regional but not enough district points.

I'm not sure that is a fair statement, the district system fairly effectively rises the cream to the top and scrapes it off to champs. The stats on district teams finishing position in champs is pretty telling. Whereas in regionals teams can get carried to championships being a 3rd pick on a finalist. Either case, it is not easy to make it to champs, each team that makes it there deserves it.

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Meaning, if that is right, with 2014 MSC numbers (64) and 2015 projected allocation, AND if the HOF provision is modified (I think), absolutely everyone with a pit in Ypsilanti will be able to get one in St Louis...

...except for 1 team.

EDIT: The way I look at allocation is that everyone who earns a berth to championships outside of the current seasonal qualification system (F&S, HoF, previous winners of BBAs) are in a separate pool entirely. FIRST HQ puts on Championship and invites a subset of teams outside, so with "x" being the final number of slots and "y" being the number of teams HQ invites outside of seasonal qualification, and "z" being the total number of teams in FRC, the allocation percentage = (x-y)/z.

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Depends on how many of the new spots get allocated to EI and RAS as well as how many of those EI and RAS teams make it to MSC. Personally I have no problem with everyone at MSC making it. I think it's awesome (though only 1 or 2 or 5 teams not making it would be sad). The bigger problem with MSC is that it has become too selective, with legitimately good teams left out. The options to address this, however, are best left to a different thread.

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What if you allocate a proportional number of spots to every district based on their percentage of FRC, but split that number of allocated spots up according to the proportion of non-District teams attending CMP by winning a Regional vs. by getting in from the waitlist.

So, hypothetically, say there are 3000 teams in FRC and 600 at CMP. Let's say that Districts account for 33% of teams, so 1000 of the 3000, or 200 of the 600 CMP spots. Of the 2000 Regional teams, 400 will get to CMP. Let's say there are 60 Regionals, each qualifying a perfect 6 teams, and all attend CMP, giving 360 teams. Of the Regional teams' 400 spots, there are now 40 remaining for the waitlist. Applying that proportion to the district teams would mean 20 total would get in from the waitlist. If FiM has 300 teams, they get 60 CMP spots in total, with 6 of those being waitlist spots.

I simplified the numbers a bit to make the math really easy. I think that this could solve some of the fairness problems people have discussed and also potentially fix the MSC problem.

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I just got around to fact checking, and FiM was supposed to send 32 teams to CMP in 2014 according to this, but according to the final point tally here, if you account for 107 declining and 217's Buckeye Chairmans spot, 34 teams were sent.

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Just wondering when Champs lottery sign ups open. Haven't seen anything about that yet...

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Open waitlist starts 10/23, 1200 EST. http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...ility-criteria

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Has anyone else noticed that under "Aerial Assist winners" it lists the four finalists?

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If you look under
Didn't 254 and others win?

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I suspect a very delayed technical foul on the blue alliance. :p

That or one of the blue alliance teams were told that their robot was legal for eliminations, but they were given a retroactive red card because their robot was not legal for eliminations... No, that could never happen. :rolleyes: