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Andrew Schreiber 18-09-2014 15:55

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
[quote=Michael Hill;1400561]
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Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man (Post 1400559)
I think this may be one of FIRST's unofficial tools of encouraging (prodding) regions into transitioning to district play. If you dangle this really neat opportunity in front of a bunch of teams ineligible due to their region's outdated format, it gives them all the more incentive to organize and modernize.
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Ohio and the neighboring states would love to go to a district setup...

Someone please explain why regional teams are excluded. This is pretty asinine.

My guess, the same reason they have always been excluded. Mothership FIRST says so.

MARS_James 18-09-2014 16:02

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1400562)

My guess, the same reason they have always been excluded. Mothership FIRST says so.

I do love how FIRST didn't like the district idea originally forcing Michigan to be an island in a sea of Regionals, and now they are pushing to get everyone to districts and are still scared to let everyone try it out. I really feel that FIRST should let teams decide if they want to opt into a existing district system or not from season to season.

Eventually either everyone will want to opt in and we will have a giant district for all of FIRST or everyone will opt out and the experiment will be over, the two systems have enough issues coexisting that we need to resolve it sooner rather than later.

EDIT: Also I think that Indiana (and by extension all districts that may develop in the future) should not be a part of inter-district play for their first year.

Deke 18-09-2014 16:03

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Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1400560)
This is probably one of the big reasons. Also, I would view this season as a "pilot season" for interdistrict play. I expect <15 teams to do this*



*no statistic backup,just my own guess

More than 15 I think, just check how many district teams went to regionals last year and increase the number due to the lower cost.

I can think of 7 FiM teams, off memory, that went to regionals last year.

This will definitely be a trial year to see what shakes out.

Steven Donow 18-09-2014 16:09

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Does anyone have hard data compiled on districts capacity and how many were filled/how manyopen spots there were?

Michael Hill 18-09-2014 16:17

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
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Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1400566)
Does anyone have hard data compiled on districts capacity and how many were filled/how manyopen spots there were?

If anyone does, it would be Jim Zondag

Cory 18-09-2014 16:19

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1400561)
Someone please explain why regional teams are excluded. This is pretty asinine.

It's very simple. Money. Why would FIRST allow you, as a regional team, to compete in districts, when they will lose $4000 every time that happens?

Deetman 18-09-2014 16:23

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MAR has 7 events with 36 slot capacity. Assuming growth of 6 teams, that makes 117 teams needing 234 of the 252 slots available for 18 open slots.

Joe G. 18-09-2014 16:23

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1400568)
It's very simple. Money. Why would FIRST allow you, as a regional team, to compete in districts, when they will lose $4000 every time that happens?

More specifically, the option to spend $1000 on a district reduces the incentive to spend $4000 on a second regional, since regional teams will likely do this instead of, rather than in addition to, their second/third regionals.

PayneTrain 18-09-2014 16:37

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1400561)

Someone please explain why regional teams are excluded. This is pretty asinine.

I'm not smarter than the average bear and I'd tell you that we could shuffle our team up to Pennsylvania/New Jersey for Week 1 and 2 to play around with the robot for half the price if we could. Sure we wouldn't get a bid to champs, but we'd get 12 hours of unbag time and 24 matches, which are the gold and crude oil of FRC.

So FIRST wouldn't want people stampeding for districts they don't get financial benefit from when they can lock the sorry saps in the regional system into a second regional.

GKrotkov 18-09-2014 16:57

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1400550)
It's not everything we wanted out of Inter-District play, but it's a step in the right direction.

Now, I hope that there's still an open spot in CT week 1 and I can convince 1712 to compete in weeks 1, 3, 5, AND 7. :rolleyes:

Convince? I'm already hooked.

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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1400563)
Also I think that Indiana (and by extension all districts that may develop in the future) should not be a part of inter-district play for their first year.

Can you explain this a bit more? Because they shouldn't have to deal with teams coming into their districts? I could certainly see this making it harder for some Indiana teams to make it to their district championship, but if the encroaching teams spread out over the district events (taking what events they could get), wouldn't they have about an equal force on each Indiana team?

Jscout11 18-09-2014 17:14

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I really like these changes. I'm sure MAR teams will be happy to play with some new faces and friends from other districts.

That being said, I do wish regional teams could have the opportunity as well, especially in the case of places like NY, where it would actually make more sense to come down (or up) than it would be for a team from, say, Michigan.

Lil' Lavery 18-09-2014 17:24

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I'll take baby steps in the right direciton over no steps at all.

Steven Donow 18-09-2014 17:32

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1400576)
I'll take baby steps in the right direciton over no steps at all.

This.

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Originally Posted by GKrotkov (Post 1400573)
Convince? I'm already hooked.



Can you explain this a bit more? Because they shouldn't have to deal with teams coming into their districts? I could certainly see this making it harder for some Indiana teams to make it to their district championship, but if the encroaching teams spread out over the district events (taking what events they could get), wouldn't they have about an equal force on each Indiana team?

I've proposed the idea in threads before, but essentially the idea is to have teams get acclimated to the transition themselves and build their own culture (ie. from experience, districts in NE feel different than districts in MAR).

Of course, Indiana (might?) is different than all other district transitions so far due to the number of teams and number of events; how many open spots they'll have I can't say, but I assume it'll be small.

Also, when I've mentioned that idea before, in my mind, that was in a situation where OOD play would count for points (something I would expect a few years down the road).

cadandcookies 18-09-2014 17:45

Re: [FRC Blog] Inter-District Play for 2015
 
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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1400568)
It's very simple. Money. Why would FIRST allow you, as a regional team, to compete in districts, when they will lose $4000 every time that happens?

Or it might just be because they're testing the waters on this...

IndySam 18-09-2014 17:51

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Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1400579)
This.
Of course, Indiana (might?) is different than all other district transitions so far due to the number of teams and number of events; how many open spots they'll have I can't say, but I assume it'll be small.

With 54-56 teams and only 40 spots per event the number will be very small.


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