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Jon Stratis 22-10-2014 13:52
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark MMcLeod (Post 1404609)
2014 had an unusually high initial registration for rookies for some reason.
Didn't Michigan have some special rookie Grant thing last year that boosted their numbers up a ton? Could that have accounted for some of the initial increase? I know many rookie teams apply for the NASA Grant or others that don't come in until later, so they have to sit around and wait to see if they'll have money before registering. Having a group that knows they have money before things get started would boost initial numbers.

Mr V 22-10-2014 14:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1405341)
Didn't Michigan have some special rookie Grant thing last year that boosted their numbers up a ton? Could that have accounted for some of the initial increase? I know many rookie teams apply for the NASA Grant or others that don't come in until later, so they have to sit around and wait to see if they'll have money before registering. Having a group that knows they have money before things get started would boost initial numbers.
Late rookie registration is often due to teams that are waiting to hear if they have received a grant or not. In WA we have a grant from the state that for rookies that is in the amount of $7000 which did not close until last Thur. Typically it takes a week or more for that grant to be approved and the applicants to receive notice that they will be awarded the grant. Then they have to complete some steps to claim the grant and wait some more until they actually receive the funds.

There is always a issue on deciding when to have the grant deadline. I've found that I typically have a very hard time getting responses from those who might want to start a team until school has been in session for a couple of weeks. So if you have the deadline early enough that they will be notified that they have the grant before first event registration and you'll be eliminating many potential rookies. I always tell the potential teams that are on my radar to go ahead, register a team and register for an event even if they don't know if they will receive funding since the worst that will happen if they don't pay the registration fee is that they will loose their spot. Despite this many do not even begin team registration until they have the cash in hand.

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 08:54
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2600 teams are fully registered and listed for events.
It took 7 days to add 100 teams.

Wetzel 23-10-2014 08:58
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Will be interesting to see which events snap full at noon today. I was surprised by Troy last year, though in hindsight it makes perfect sense how desirable it was.

Wetzel

Shrub 23-10-2014 09:07
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The regionals with the most teams currently registered are Minnesota North Star and 10k Lakes, at 58 and 63. I can't wait to see what other events fill up :D

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 09:19
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There are 13 Regionals with fewer than 10 open slots showing, not counting the reserved spots.
While these other double digit choices offer a better chance of getting in:

36 -- South Florida Regional
22 -- Palmetto Regional
18 -- Georgia Southern Classic Regional
16 -- Mexico City Regional
29 -- Arkansas Rock City Regional
32 -- Central Valley Regional
27 -- Israel Regional
10 -- Greater Toronto East Regional
16 -- Alamo Regional
11 -- Waterloo Regional
10 -- Central Illinois Regional
16 -- Bayou Regional
16 -- Wisconsin Regional
12 -- Colorado Regional
13 -- Hawaii Regional
22 -- Las Vegas Regional
16 -- Buckeye Regional
33 -- Hub City Regional
19 -- Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional
33 -- Queen City Regional
21 -- Lone Star Regional

The_ShamWOW88 23-10-2014 09:22
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We'll have a decent idea after today how many teams we're down or up from last year.

Still 364 teams from last season that haven't registered for an event this year.

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 09:54
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I don't expect much of a jump in teams as a result of 2nd Regionals opening.
We'll historically see a gain of maybe 30 teams today.

Teams hidden on waitlists won't appear until more events start clearing them.

sanddrag 23-10-2014 12:00
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I don't see how to register in TIMS. What do I click on?

Arefin Bari 23-10-2014 12:01
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Same here... not finding the button to add event... :ahh:

Arefin Bari 23-10-2014 12:01
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Originally Posted by Arefin Bari (Post 1405434)
Same here... not finding the button to add event... :ahh:
never mind. it worked!

DarrinMunter 23-10-2014 12:03
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The add event button was a little late showing up for me too.

Wetzel 23-10-2014 12:05
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Got into Mexico! Vamos a Mexico!

sanddrag 23-10-2014 12:05
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It looks like no additional slots have opened for today's registration at San Diego, Ventura, or Phoenix west, which are all full. We have full events at only 21 teams, during second registration! Huh? Combined with not knowing where we are on the waitlist and the fact that events fill to capacity in a matter of mere minutes, this is ludicrous. How are we supposed to know where to register? How can someone possibly take a gamble on a waitlist of unknown position and unknown additional capacity forthcoming, and miss out on registering for something that's open now. This system "inhales audibly." Not happy. Vegas it is for now. Our school administration and parents are going to throw a fit.

And also, why did FIRST ever remove that single page that showed all event capacities, number of registered teams, and open spots? We REALLY need that back.

mrnoble 23-10-2014 12:07
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Forgive my ignorance. We'd like to attend three regionals this year, but I can't figure out how to make that happen. Any ideas out there?

DarrinMunter 23-10-2014 12:09
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Originally Posted by mrnoble (Post 1405440)
Forgive my ignorance. We'd like to attend three regionals this year, but I can't figure out how to make that happen. Any ideas out there?
One week from now, is open registration, you can select your third one then.

Nemo 23-10-2014 12:09
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoble (Post 1405440)
Forgive my ignorance. We'd like to attend three regionals this year, but I can't figure out how to make that happen. Any ideas out there?
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/calendar/

There you can see that unrestricted registration starts next week. You'll have to wait and see what's still available.

mrnoble 23-10-2014 12:10
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Thanks everyone. This is our first time trying so many.

czeke 23-10-2014 12:11
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I hear ya, sandrag. We're on the waitlist for Northern Lights. The regionals fill up pretty fast.

Aren Siekmeier 23-10-2014 12:12
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405439)
It looks like no additional slots have opened for today's registration at San Diego, Ventura, or Phoenix west, which are all full. Combined with not knowing where we are on the waitlist, this is ludicrous. How are we supposed to know where to register? How can someone possibly take a gamble on a waitlist of unknown position and additional capacity forthcoming, and miss out on registering for something that's open now. This system "inhales audibly." Not happy.
Same for Northern Lights and Lake Superior, the two Duluth, MN regionals (and probably others), which are are both "full" at 15-20 below their usual capacities.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405439)
And also, why did FIRST ever remove that single page that showed all event capacities, number of registered teams, and open spots? We REALLY need that back.
This page is updating about every minute.

Boe 23-10-2014 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405439)
It looks like no additional slots have opened for today's registration at San Diego, Ventura, or Phoenix west, which are all full.
It appears LSR and Northern Lights have not added any slots either for today...

ehochstein 23-10-2014 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1405446)
It appears LSR and Northern Lights have not added any slots either for today...
They'll be added as time goes on - waitlists are for late registering rookies and teams that haven't registered for their first event.

Minnesota teams are known for registering late, which is why there are so many waitlist spots this year.

topgun 23-10-2014 12:28
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We need another Regional in Minnesota or we need to add one in Iowa!

Judging by how many regionals are at capacity, we need more regionals everywhere.

Doug G 23-10-2014 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405439)
It looks like no additional slots have opened for today's registration at San Diego, Ventura, or Phoenix west, which are all full. We have full events at only 21 teams, during second registration! Huh? Combined with not knowing where we are on the waitlist and the fact that events fill to capacity in a matter of mere minutes, this is ludicrous. How are we supposed to know where to register? How can someone possibly take a gamble on a waitlist of unknown position and unknown additional capacity forthcoming, and miss out on registering for something that's open now. This system "inhales audibly." Not happy. Vegas it is for now. Our school administration and parents are going to throw a fit.
Yeah I'm feeling that doing three regionals on the west coast (without back to back) is going to be an impossibility this year.

On a completely different topic but the same sort of issue... WE NEED MORE COMPETITIONS!! This is happening in FLL and Vex (maybe FTC as well?). We are hosting a dual FLL event (32 teams - sharing it with 2085) because not enough folks are hosting events to meet demand. We are hosting multiple Vex events (sharing it with a middle school vex team), and I am flooded with emails from teams that are begging to participate. I am so tempted to start charging extra $$ because the demand is so high!! (I won't do that.)

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 12:31
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It's still changing but here's a snapshot sample of what's left:

29 --- Hub City Regional
26 --- Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional
24 --- South Florida Regional
23 --- Israel Regional
20 --- Queen City Regional
18 --- Lone Star Regional
15 --- Mexico City Regional
12 --- Arkansas Rock City Regional
10 --- Waterloo Regional
10 --- Las Vegas Regional
9 ---- Central Valley Regional
6 ---- Alamo Regional
6 ---- Hawaii Regional
5 ---- North Bay Regional
4 ---- Colorado Regional
3 ---- Bayou Regional
1 ---- Georgia Southern Classic Regional
1 ---- Montreal Regional

Andrew Lawrence 23-10-2014 12:34
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 1405450)
Yeah I'm feeling that doing three regionals on the west coast (without back to back) is going to be an impossibility this year.

On a completely different topic but the same sort of issue... WE NEED MORE COMPETITIONS!! This is happening in FLL and Vex (maybe FTC as well?). We are hosting a dual FLL event (32 teams - sharing it with 2085) because not enough folks are hosting events to meet demand. We are hosting multiple Vex events (sharing it with a middle school vex team), and I am flooded with emails from teams that are begging to participate. I am so tempted to start charging extra $$ because the demand is so high!! (I won't do that.)
What you want is districts. Districts in California is what is how we solve the population problem and get more matches.

Wetzel 23-10-2014 12:35
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Districts are coming.

aldaeron 23-10-2014 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun (Post 1405449)
Judging by how many regionals are at capacity, we need more regionals everywhere.
Since on of our mentors organizes and runs the CO regional I have a little insight into how difficult this is. Regionals are very expensive and it is hard to find a space that is big enough and cheap enough and then staff it with volunteers. It is also challenging to convince people to take 2 days off to volunteer at the regional (thank you, thank you, thank you to those who do every year). And that is just part of what happens locally. Since the field ships on multiple big rig trucks the movement of the fields is no small effort (travelling salesman optimization anyone?). Great job FIRST HQ for making this happen every year!

-matto-

Nemo 23-10-2014 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aldaeron (Post 1405456)
Since on of our mentors organizes and runs the CO regional I have a little insight into how difficult this is. Regionals are very expensive and it is hard to find a space that is big enough and cheap enough and then staff it with volunteers. It is also challenging to convince people to take 2 days off to volunteer at the regional (thank you, thank you, thank you to those who do every year). And that is just part of what happens locally. Since the field ships on multiple big rig trucks the movement of the fields is no small effort (travelling salesman optimization anyone?). Great job FIRST HQ for making this happen every year!

-matto-
Agreed; in some ways it's amazing that we have as many events as we do. The volunteers give a ton to make it happen.

sanddrag 23-10-2014 12:43
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 1405450)
Yeah I'm feeling that doing three regionals on the west coast (without back to back) is going to be an impossibility this year.
I was struggling just to get two!

I know registration fills in a matter of seconds for some events. As soon as it opened, I waitlisted for San Diego, thinking maybe they just hadn't added the spots yet. Then I checked and Ventura showed openings. So I went to register there, and after I had, it confirmed me on the waitlist. At risk of jeopardizing a second regional at all, I registered for Vegas which still had spots open. I called FRC Team support, and they indicated the waitlists were short, and that if I waitlisted for San Diego, I'd likely get in once additional spots were added, because the rookies are not showing up in the quantities expected. So, I went back into TIMS and tried to switch the registration for Vegas back to wait list for San Diego. Can't do it. Can't re-join a waitlist you've previously dropped and FIRST confirms, that's by design. You get one chance to decide where to go. In 13 years of doing FRC, I've never known about this "feature" in TIMS.

They really need to do a preference and lottery system, like FIRST Choice. Or at least something different.

Doug G 23-10-2014 12:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1405454)
What you want is districts. Districts in California is what is how we solve the population problem and get more matches.
Absolutely! What's the latest on that front... 2016-2017? It is a problem though does span outside of FRC though.

Doug G 23-10-2014 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405459)
I was struggling just to get two!
...
They really need to do a preference and lottery system, like FIRST Choice. Or at least something different.
I agree. Boy how things are different these days. I used to have our students and parents plan for where we wanted to go, now I just tell them we will have to see what's available and go from there.

Bryan Herbst 23-10-2014 12:53
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405439)
It looks like no additional slots have opened for today's registration at San Diego, Ventura, or Phoenix west, which are all full. We have full events at only 21 teams, during second registration! Huh? Combined with not knowing where we are on the waitlist and the fact that events fill to capacity in a matter of mere minutes, this is ludicrous. How are we supposed to know where to register? How can someone possibly take a gamble on a waitlist of unknown position and unknown additional capacity forthcoming, and miss out on registering for something that's open now. This system "inhales audibly." Not happy. Vegas it is for now. Our school administration and parents are going to throw a fit.

And also, why did FIRST ever remove that single page that showed all event capacities, number of registered teams, and open spots? We REALLY need that back.
The best way to find out what your chances are of getting in off of the waitlist is to contact someone from your event's planning committee. They can see exactly who is on the waitlist and they have a pretty good idea of which teams they will be adding and in what order.

waialua359 23-10-2014 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1405459)
I was struggling just to get two!

I know registration fills in a matter of seconds for some events. As soon as it opened, I waitlisted for San Diego, thinking maybe they just hadn't added the spots yet. Then I checked and Ventura showed openings. So I went to register there, and after I had, it confirmed me on the waitlist. At risk of jeopardizing a second regional at all, I registered for Vegas which still had spots open. I called FRC Team support, and they indicated the waitlists were short, and that if I waitlisted for San Diego, I'd likely get in once additional spots were added, because the rookies are not showing up in the quantities expected. So, I went back into TIMS and tried to switch the registration for Vegas back to wait list for San Diego. Can't do it. Can't re-join a waitlist you've previously dropped and FIRST confirms, that's by design. You get one chance to decide where to go. In 13 years of doing FRC, I've never known about this "feature" in TIMS.

They really need to do a preference and lottery system, like FIRST Choice. Or at least something different.
During the 2013 season, we noticed also that you couldnt resign up for a regional you previously registered for. We were lucky that we didnt have to. We dropped one event to get the other since we noticed the other regional was filling up fast. In fact, we got the very last spot at Boilermaker 2013 1 hour into the registration initial regional sign up. Lucky for us it all worked out.:)

Larry Lewis 23-10-2014 13:11
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Seems like finding a second regional this year is tougher for the NYS teams. Any events that had openings filled up quickly in the second registration cycle. Also, with the NE and MAR Districts, attending events in that area is not an option. Just tried to register for our second regional event and got waitlisted not too long after registration opened. I am hoping that we can work with the regional planning committee to see if there are spaces available. It just makes it hard to plan when you don't know if you are going to an event, and the school needs to know where you are going.
I'm hoping the schedule will work out better next year where more events in our area will be available for us to attend.

topgun 23-10-2014 13:17
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How soon do the waitlists get cleared so that I will know whether or not we will be attending an event?

Bryan Herbst 23-10-2014 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun (Post 1405474)
How soon do the waitlists get cleared so that I will know whether or not we will be attending an event?
Contact your regional director. There is no set date for when they will add how many teams.

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 13:33
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2607 teams - 100 shy of last year's total teams (2707).

Cory 23-10-2014 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 1405460)
Absolutely! What's the latest on that front... 2016-2017? It is a problem though does span outside of FRC though.
No way it's coming in the 2016 season. 2017 seems like it could be doubtful too.

Andrew Lawrence 23-10-2014 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1405479)
No way it's coming in the 2016 season. 2017 seems like it could be doubtful too.
That's slightly depressing...

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 14:01
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Districts remaining open:

MAR District
13 --- North Brunswick Event

Indiana District
11 --- Kokomo City of Firsts Event sponsored by AndyMark


PNW District
9 ---- West Valley Event
6 ---- Philomath Event

Michigan District
1 ---- Escanaba Event
1 ---- Lansing Event
20 --- Bedford Event

NE District
24 --- UMass - Dartmouth Event
9 ---- Pioneer Valley Event
8 ---- Rhode Island Event
7 ---- Pine Tree Event
6 ---- Waterbury Event

Kevin Pardus 23-10-2014 14:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1405478)
2607 teams - 100 shy of last year's total teams (2707).
Between now and April it could be an interesting roller-coster ride, if last year is any indication of how long it will take getting to that 2707. The ride (timeline) based on Mark's inputs for Registration 2014 are as follows:
18 Nov 13: crossed over the 2700 registered teams milestone
10 Dec 13: the high point was 2797 registered teams
10 Jan 14: then down to 2733 registered teams, following the 'purge'
13 Feb 14: then down to 2726 registered teams
26 Mar 14: settling down to 2710 registered teams
Finally ending at 2707 for the number of registered teams

nikeairmancurry 23-10-2014 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1405478)
2607 teams - 100 shy of last year's total teams (2707).
There are a few Michigan teams who have not registered for events because they are sitting on the wait-list for a district spot.

Mark McLeod 23-10-2014 14:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1405489)
There are a few Michigan teams who have not registered for events because they are sitting on the wait-list for a district spot.
That's true for teams across the board every year.
As long as it's somewhat consistent each year then it gives us a pattern to anticipate and gives us reasonable year-to-year comparisons.

Eventually they all get released.

MrTechCenter 23-10-2014 18:48
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We almost didn't get into a second regional this year, the only regional that had any openings in California after the first minute f registration today was Central Valley. While we love CVR and it got into our schedule better than last year, it's kind of disappointing to not have any choice. And we were planning on doing three regionals this year too which is now an impossibility.

AdamHeard 23-10-2014 18:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1405540)
We almost didn't get into a second regional this year, the only regional that had any openings in California after the first minute f registration today was Central Valley. While we love CVR and it got into our schedule better than last year, it's kind of disappointing to not have any choice. And we were planning on doing three regionals this year too which is now an impossibility.
Keep in mind most CA events (LA being an exception, haven't looked at SVR yet) have a 15 team reserve right now still. That's a combined 60+ plays opening up.

As for 3 events, I think we're past the days of any given team assuming they can get 3 plays in CA. Too crowded unfortunately.

A lot of CA teams are looking at nonCA events for their 2nd event.

MrTechCenter 23-10-2014 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405542)
Keep in mind most CA events (LA being an exception, haven't looked at SVR yet) have a 15 team reserve right now still. That's a combined 60+ plays opening up.

As for 3 events, I think we're past the days of any given team assuming they can get 3 plays in CA. Too crowded unfortunately.

A lot of CA teams are looking at nonCA events for their 2nd event.
We were looking at either Arizona West in Week 6 or Utah in Week 3 and both have already filled-up as well, so unless either of those regionals has an extensive waitlist capacity, we can't even do that.

AdamHeard 23-10-2014 19:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1405545)
We were looking at either Arizona West in Week 6 or Utah in Week 3 and both have already filled-up as well, so unless either of those regionals has an extensive waitlist capacity, we can't even do that.
I believe every event has a 15 team reserve.

Some events that filled during initial registration started clearing their reserves and moving teams onto the official list already (like LA).

If you talk to RD's and are patient, you'll be able to get it worked out.

MrTechCenter 23-10-2014 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405546)
I believe every event has a 15 team reserve.

Some events that filled during initial registration started clearing their reserves and moving teams onto the official list already (like LA).

If you talk to RD's and are patient, you'll be able to get it worked out.
Awesome! Thanks for the tip.

Mark McLeod 27-10-2014 15:25
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Current team total by country:

1----Colombia
1----Dominican Republic
1----France
1----Germany
1----Singapore
1----Taiwan
1----United Arab Emirates
2----United Kingdom
2----Netherlands
3----Chile
5----Turkey
5----Brazil
20---Australia
23---Mexico
25---China
29---Israel
187--Canada
2344-USA

2652-Total

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Remaining places open for immediate registration...

Regionals:
24 ---- Hub City Regional
21 ---- Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional
17 ---- Israel Regional
13 ---- Mexico City Regional
13 ---- Queen City Regional
8 ----- South Florida Regional
7 ----- Waterloo Regional
2 ----- Central Illinois Regional


Districts
NE:
24 ---- NE District - UMass - Dartmouth District
9 ----- NE District - Pioneer Valley District
8 ----- NE District - Rhode Island District
7 ----- NE District - Pine Tree District
5 ----- NE District - Waterbury District

FIM:
20 ---- FIM District - Bedford District
1 ----- FIM District - Escanaba District

MAR:
13 ---- MAR District - North Brunswick District

IN:
10 ---- IN District - Kokomo City of Firsts District

PNW:
8 ----- PNW District - West Valley District
6 ----- PNW District - Philomath District

Mark McLeod 29-10-2014 16:43
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2700 teams (7 shy of last seasons final)

JB987 29-10-2014 19:18
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Wonder how many signed up last year between now and Kickoff?

Mark McLeod 29-10-2014 19:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1406352)
Wonder how many signed up last year between now and Kickoff?
341
but they didn't all stick around.
Net ended up being 251.

Mark McLeod 29-10-2014 20:47
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Here is where the missing 312 teams are from.
Some, like Israel, are traditionally later to register, so it's not unusual for them.
And some are undoubtedly hidden on waitlists to appear later when their event assignment comes through.

88.5% have returned from last year.
11.5% are still missing.

Longest missing resurrected veteran team is Team 1481, RoboRaiders from Farmington Hills, MI who last played 8 years ago in 2007.

P.S.
Based on typical team retention rates, ~244 of last seasons team's will not put in an appearance this season.
But on a lighter note, about 12% or 29 of these teams that go missing this year will reappear during the next four seasons.

Nathan Rossi 29-10-2014 21:14
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Typically, at what time do teams get registered or rejected for an event from the wait-list? Does it vary greatly from region to region?

Mark McLeod 29-10-2014 21:30
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It's pretty region dependent.
Sometimes a bunch of them do it at the same time, so the RDs may be triggered by a push from FIRST HQ.

Case in point were the two Minnesota events North Star & 10,000 Lakes where the waitlists were pretty cleared by the beginning of October.

FIRST doesn't have a rejection step for teams (which benefit the teams involved), so you have to watch out for yourself.

allgoodthehood 29-10-2014 23:46
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Today my coach, who is a member of the Double DECCer planning committee, told me that both the Northern Lights and Lake Superior regionals are full. However on FIRST's website, along with Blue Alliance, show they aren't full. Why is that, is my coach mistaken, are they just slow to updating, or what?

EricH 29-10-2014 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allgoodthehood (Post 1406389)
Today my coach, who is a member of the Double DECCer planning committee, told me that both the Northern Lights and Lake Superior regionals are full. However on FIRST's website, along with Blue Alliance, show they aren't full. Why is that, is my coach mistaken, are they just slow to updating, or what?
I'm seeing zero open capacity at 42 and 49 teams respectively on the FIRST site.

Now, I'm willing to bet that that isn't actually the max capacity, but rather that some teams are a little slow coming off of the waitlist and thus aren't shown yet.

Jon Stratis 30-10-2014 07:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allgoodthehood (Post 1406389)
Today my coach, who is a member of the Double DECCer planning committee, told me that both the Northern Lights and Lake Superior regionals are full. However on FIRST's website, along with Blue Alliance, show they aren't full. Why is that, is my coach mistaken, are they just slow to updating, or what?
There are enough teams on the waitlist to fill both events to capacity. The wait, currently, is probably due to the RD waiting for a couple last rookies to sign up before clearing the list. I believe final capacity for both events is going to be around 60 teams- that was the plan last year, we just didn't quite make it that high.

Boe 30-10-2014 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allgoodthehood (Post 1406389)
Today my coach, who is a member of the Double DECCer planning committee, told me that both the Northern Lights and Lake Superior regionals are full. However on FIRST's website, along with Blue Alliance, show they aren't full. Why is that, is my coach mistaken, are they just slow to updating, or what?
A bunch of teams were brought in off the wait list this morning bring the totals to 52 at Northern Lights and 57 at Lake Superior.

Alpha Beta 30-10-2014 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by compwiztobe (Post 1405337)
Here's a link.

Right now it updates every hour. Starting tomorrow at noon EDT it will update every 5 minutes or so, tapering back off to every hour.
Loving this quick view of open availability. We're in the market for a 3rd regional event this year.

Allison K 30-10-2014 11:07
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Looks like Michigan might be needing that rumored 17th district event, as FiM is at 316 teams (the 16 current district events have a capacity for 320 teams). Spreadsheet with details here. Other tidbits...
  • FiM is still missing 20 veterans that competed in 2014. 8 of those were rookies in 2014. I expect at least of few of the missing teams are hidden on waitlists. The overall retention rate at the moment is 92.8%.
  • Michigan currently has 58 rookies, 21% of all 2015 current rookies.
  • About 160 Michigan teams are on waitlists for at least one event. This doesn't include missing teams, so the actual number is higher.

stufflikethat 30-10-2014 12:05
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Is anyone having trouble signing up for a third district right now. When we go to the signup page we see all of the available regionals but do not see any district events.

Mark McLeod 30-10-2014 12:08
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Today unrestricted Regional signup opened.

Additional District signup won't be until Dec. 11

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Pre-waitlist Regionals are disappearing.
Those with remaining advertised slots 20 minutes after noon are:
Mexico
Israel
Waterloo
Central Illinois
Hub City
Windsor Essex

Travis Hoffman 30-10-2014 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1406443)
Loving this quick view of open availability. We're in the market for a 3rd regional event this year.
Welcome to Queen City. I see 233 will be taking their talents to Ohio as well. Should be a fun event!

AdamHeard 30-10-2014 12:24
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What events still have openings?

Travis Hoffman 30-10-2014 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1406472)
What events still have openings?
http://173.255.246.196/

Wetzel 30-10-2014 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1406472)
What events still have openings?
These are the only ones without a waitlist at this time.
Mexico
Israel
Waterloo
Central Illinois
Hub City
Windsor Essex

sanddrag 30-10-2014 13:09
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Still can't wait list for a previously dropped event.

lynca 30-10-2014 13:21
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetzel (Post 1406474)
These are the only ones without a waitlist at this time.
Central Illinois
Hub City
Only two USA Regionals with available spots, and Central Illinois only has 1 spot left.

Who wants to travel to Lubbock, Texas - Week 5 for the only available Regional in the country ?

AdamHeard 30-10-2014 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1406481)
Still can't wait list for a previously dropped event.
Have you talked to the RD?

Wetzel 30-10-2014 13:31
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lynca (Post 1406482)
Only two USA Regionals with available spots, and Central Illinois only has 1 spot left.

Who wants to travel to Lubbock, Texas - Week 5 for the only available Regional in the country ?
2914 traveled to Lubbock last year. The regional itself was great. Plenty of space in the pits and close by hotels. We had to split into two groups for the flight home though, with different layovers, and the school business manager put me as the only adult with 8 freshmen/sophomores, whilst the other three adults were with the 7 juniors/seniors. :mad:

Wetzel

Rick 30-10-2014 14:29
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1406456)
Looks like Michigan might be needing that rumored 17th district event, as FiM is at 316 teams (the 16 current district events have a capacity for 320 teams). Spreadsheet with details here. Other tidbits...
  • FiM is still missing 20 veterans that competed in 2014. 8 of those were rookies in 2014. I expect at least of few of the missing teams are hidden on waitlists. The overall retention rate at the moment is 92.8%.
  • Michigan currently has 58 rookies, 21% of all 2015 current rookies.
  • About 160 Michigan teams are on waitlists for at least one event. This doesn't include missing teams, so the actual number is higher.
When is FiM going to split? North/South or East/West?

If FRC allows 600 teams for the championship, and gives districts spots based on % of overall teams (eventually), the FiM State Championship will qualify nearly every team at the state championship.

Cleary Michigan is doing something right with grants when a single state can boast over 11% of all teams worldwide. It's a good problem to have.

Basel A 30-10-2014 15:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta (Post 1406495)
When is FiM going to split? North/South or East/West?

If FRC allows 600 teams for the championship, and gives districts spots based on % of overall teams (eventually), the FiM State Championship will qualify nearly every team at the state championship.

Cleary Michigan is doing something right with grants when a single state can boast over 11% of all teams worldwide. It's a good problem to have.
The short (and unofficial) answer on splitting is no. I simply can't think of a single proponent of such a plan. Also, at this point it's likely that even with 11%, Michigan won't qualify everyone at MSC.

I've heard rumors of 2 districts (weeks 1 & 2), but so far they're been just that, rumors. Hopefully FiM can get their act together before 3rd district registration. Would love for teams to switch to earlier events so there's more space for us to play a local 3rd in week 5 or 6 (local being especially important what with the travel to MSC).

PayneTrain 30-10-2014 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetzel (Post 1406485)
2914 traveled to Lubbock last year. The regional itself was great. Plenty of space in the pits and close by hotels. We had to split into two groups for the flight home though, with different layovers, and the school business manager put me as the only adult with 8 freshmen/sophomores, whilst the other three adults were with the 7 juniors/seniors. :mad:

Wetzel
Layovers out of Texas into the northeast are really fun when you go to an early Texas event (Week 1 Alamo for us, Week 2 Hub City for 2914) with 70 degree temps only to get flights delayed or cancelled from major snowstorms in Newark... :D

Lubbock looks like it has a good venue for an FRC event, but I imagine travel can be a little challenging like it was to SA.

Cory 30-10-2014 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1406502)
The short (and unofficial) answer on splitting is no. I simply can't think of a single proponent of such a plan. Also, at this point it's likely that even with 11%, Michigan won't qualify everyone at MSC.

I've heard rumors of 2 districts (weeks 1 & 2), but so far they're been just that, rumors. Hopefully FiM can get their act together before 3rd district registration. Would love for teams to switch to earlier events so there's more space for us to play a local 3rd in week 5 or 6 (local being especially important what with the travel to MSC).
11% of 600 is 66 spots. MSC is 64 spots, no?

Richard Wallace 30-10-2014 18:57
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1406514)
11% of 600 is 66 spots. MSC is 64 spots, no?
MSC has had 64 spots for several years now. In the first year that was about half the teams in Michigan. Now it is about one-sixth.

When California has a state championship, what fraction of teams will earn invitations?

MrBasse 30-10-2014 19:08
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1406502)
The short (and unofficial) answer on splitting is no. I simply can't think of a single proponent of such a plan. Also, at this point it's likely that even with 11%, Michigan won't qualify everyone at MSC.

I've heard rumors of 2 districts (weeks 1 & 2), but so far they're been just that, rumors. Hopefully FiM can get their act together before 3rd district registration. Would love for teams to switch to earlier events so there's more space for us to play a local 3rd in week 5 or 6 (local being especially important what with the travel to MSC).
What do you mean by "get their act together" exactly? What isn't going well right now from your point of view? And are you being serious about the travel to MSC?

EricH 30-10-2014 20:07
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1406515)
When California has a state championship, what fraction of teams will earn invitations?
California is listed as 298 teams (including 16 un-numbered rookies). Last number Mark gave for total registration was 2700.

Taking out those rookies for now: 10.4% of FRC.
Leaving the rookies in: 11% of FRC.

600 teams at Championship gives somewhere between 60 and 66 slots to CA depending which number you're using at the moment. Currently, the 7 regionals (that are all full) in CA supply 42 teams.

Assuming CA runs a state championship as large as its largest current event (66 teams at Los Angeles), that's about 22% of teams in the state, and most of 'em would be just about guaranteed a spot at CMP. OTOH, I'd anticipate the number of teams going up as word got around--might see some former teams returning, driving percentage down.

Anthony Galea 30-10-2014 20:10
Re: Registration 2015
 
Kentwood FIM District added Week 2

Basel A 30-10-2014 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1406514)
11% of 600 is 66 spots. MSC is 64 spots, no?
The location for MSC is listed as "to be determined," and I don't believe it'll return to its current location. I'm not at all affiliated with FiM, but anyone from Michigan who's been paying attention to the goings-on would tell you the most pressing reason to move away from the past location would be to make MSC larger. A 64-team MSC brings in the top ~20%, which is too low. In my opinion, the ideal is around ~30%, which this year would be over 90 teams. My guess is as good as anyone's, but I'd put money on a significant increase in the number of teams at MSC this year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBasse (Post 1406516)
What do you mean by "get their act together" exactly? What isn't going well right now from your point of view? And are you being serious about the travel to MSC?
This addition of Kentwood now mostly alleviates my concerns. When trying to plan a team's schedule, it's nice to know the options ahead of time. Also when events are added late, they tend to create large disparities in level of competition between districts. These are both bad for the teams at large.

As for MSC, if we don't know where it is, we have to at least consider every possibility. I am choosing not to assume it'll be where it always has been in the past.

GaryVoshol 30-10-2014 21:27
Re: Registration 2015
 
VIMS told me I was volunteering for MSC in Ypsilanti.

MrBasse 30-10-2014 21:32
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That makes sense on all counts. The addition of kent wood would have been nice before 2nd event registration for us as we could have avoided a hotel stay altogether.

I can't even think of another location for MSC. You know it will be close to the east side though, there are just so many teams in the metro Detroit area. Usually it is better to keep the masses happy. Although somewhere in the Lansing (MSU, wink wink nod nod) area would be just fine by me.

Basel A 30-10-2014 21:41
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBasse (Post 1406533)
That makes sense on all counts. The addition of kent wood would have been nice before 2nd event registration for us as we could have avoided a hotel stay altogether.

I can't even think of another location for MSC. You know it will be close to the east side though, there are just so many teams in the metro Detroit area. Usually it is better to keep the masses happy. Although somewhere in the Lansing (MSU, wink wink nod nod) area would be just fine by me.
There's a site here that lists all the stadiums and arenas in Michigan. Removing the outdoor venues and the small venues (below 7,000 seating capacity; Convocation Center is 8,800) leaves ten. Several probably wouldn't have the requisite pit space. There are some possibilities outside the list - convention centers, mostly - but you're right, there simply aren't many options.

Here are those ten:
Code:
Name                        Location                Tenants                        Capacity       
Pontiac Silverdome        Pontiac                        Multi-use                80 311
Ford Field                Detroit                        Detroit Lions                64 500
Palace of Auburn Hills        Auburn Hills                Detroit Pistons                22 076
Joe Louis Arena                Detroit                        Detroit Red Wings        20 066
Breslin Center                East Lansing                Michigan State Spartans        14 992
Crisler Arena                Ann Arbor                Michigan Wolverines        13 609
Van Andel Arena                Grand Rapids                Grand Rapids Griffins        10 834
Calihan Hall                Detroit                        Detroit Titans                8 837
Convocation Center        Ypsilanti                E. Michigan Eagles        8 824
Superior Dome                Marquette                N. Michigan Wildcats        8 000

EricH 30-10-2014 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1406535)
[snip]
Code:
Name                        Location                Tenants                        Capacity       
Palace of Auburn Hills        Auburn Hills                Detroit Pistons                22 076
Joe Louis Arena                Detroit                        Detroit Red Wings        20 066
If those two are available, I'll be surprised. NBA and NHL would be barely starting to wrap up their seasons. Though if the home team happens to be away for the weekend, it's quite doable (from the "no two events at the same time" standpoint, not the whole "cost of event" standpoint).

MrBasse 30-10-2014 21:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1406536)
If those two are available, I'll be surprised. NBA and NHL would be barely starting to wrap up their seasons. Though if the home team happens to be away for the weekend, it's quite doable (from the "no two events at the same time" standpoint, not the whole "cost of event" standpoint).
If only Cobo Arena was still a thing... It almost has to be college level, NCAA basketball would be done by then as it would be the championships. Could land at Van Andel, but I'm not sure about pit space there. I can't see it being anywhere but EMU. They already know the event, the schedule appears to work there. But I don't know how you could fit any more teams into that building without putting pits in the loading area and by the freight elevator.

BriteBacon 30-10-2014 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1406535)
Code:
Name                        Location                Tenants                        Capacity       
Pontiac Silverdome        Pontiac                        Multi-use                80 311
This means a water game right?

http://m.imgur.com/a/UXbNQ

MARS_James 30-10-2014 23:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BriteBacon (Post 1406540)
This means a water game right?

http://m.imgur.com/a/UXbNQ
I was gonna say, I thought I read a report about the Silverdome being abandoned seems I was right

Jon Stratis 30-10-2014 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1406514)
11% of 600 is 66 spots. MSC is 64 spots, no?
Honestly, it's starting to sound like Michigan should split into two separate districts. When you have enough teams in the district that everyone that makes it to the district championship also makes it to states, then the district championshipbecomes meaningless. This is something that FIRST really needs to look at and come up with some rules on... It doesn't make sense to habe an event when everyone who attends progresses to the next state-owned it just turns into a required payment in order to then pay for the next level.

Michael Corsetto 31-10-2014 03:11
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1406521)
California is listed as 298 teams...
I think you're mistaking FIRST's website for actually giving accurate numbers. You're probably seeing some duplicates through FIRST's "What's in My Area?" function, or teams that aren't actually registered for this season. I know CA is stretching to hit the 250 team milestone this year, with a goal of 251.

Source: On Sac RPC, talk to RD's once a month.

Meanwhile, FiM continues to grow at an inspiring rate. When something works, it just works.

-Mike

GaryVoshol 31-10-2014 05:50
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You can't go only by seating capacity. Calihan hall was the site of the FLL State tournament long ago, until FLL wouldn't fit there any more.

Mark McLeod 31-10-2014 08:06
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1406567)
I think you're mistaking FIRST's website for actually giving accurate numbers. You're probably seeing some duplicates through FIRST's "What's in My Area?" function, or teams that aren't actually registered for this season. I know CA is stretching to hit the 250 team milestone this year, with a goal of 251.

Source: On Sac RPC, talk to RD's once a month.
Yea, I see only 223 California teams registered and in an event so far.

2728 total teams at the moment.

Anthony Galea 31-10-2014 08:13
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My thoughts on MSC would be that instead of dividing into two districts, it would become more like CMP by having divisions, allowing it to expand. This way, more teams would get more matches at the championship. My idea would be to have two 40 team divisions for this year, and run the divisions like a normal 40 team district event.

nikeairmancurry 31-10-2014 08:31
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From little information I have heard through the grape vine, MSC will 100+ teams with two fields. How it is to be broken up is anyone's guess. Also newest rumors are that the event will be held somewhere on the west side of the state.

MrBasse 31-10-2014 08:44
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1406582)
From little information I have heard through the grape vine, MSC will 100+ teams with two fields. How it is to be broken up is anyone's guess. Also newest rumors are that the event will be held somewhere on the west side of the state.
West side? Where? I'm not trying to bash where I live, but we just don't have the capacity for that anywhere that I can think of. Everywhere that does doesn't have seating and everywhere that has seating doesn't have the capacity for that many teams plus two fields. I've never been to DeVos though, is there anyone here who has inside knowledge of that building?

BriteBacon 31-10-2014 08:54
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1406582)
From little information I have heard through the grape vine, MSC will 100+ teams with two fields. How it is to be broken up is anyone's guess. Also newest rumors are that the event will be held somewhere on the west side of the state.
If it is on the West side of the state I'd say it would be at Van Andel Arena. Not sure how well it would fit two fields though.

Tungrus 31-10-2014 10:50
Re: Registration 2015
 
Holy Moses!

P.J. 31-10-2014 13:06
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1406582)
From little information I have heard through the grape vine, MSC will 100+ teams with two fields. How it is to be broken up is anyone's guess. Also newest rumors are that the event will be held somewhere on the west side of the state.
Interesting. All of the rumors I've heard hint at Ford Field. But those are only rumors, as I have absolutely no connections with anyone involved with making this decision. I'm interested to see how this shakes out.

Richard Wallace 31-10-2014 19:30
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1406532)
VIMS told me I was volunteering for MSC in Ypsilanti.
Methinks FiM knows more than VIMs.;)

MrBasse 31-10-2014 19:46
Re: Registration 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1406714)
Methinks FiM knows more than VIMs.;)
However, they also haven't updated the pictures on their website since 2010. There is always the chance that they are a little behind...


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