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Jared Russell 27-02-2015 16:41
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jee7s (Post 1450802)
I can't verify this myself, but based on some of the chat on the Livestream feed, it appears that a referree ran into the string that 148 uses during setup, and it was ruled a safety hazard.
...seriously?

Bluman56 27-02-2015 16:41
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1450809)
I just want to give a shout out to 987. That is one phenomenal machine. Nicely done, guys!
Agreed. So incredibly fluid. That drive team definitely had their fair share of practice. Can't wait to see them in the "Playoffs" tomorrow.

jee7s 27-02-2015 16:49
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Russell (Post 1450812)
...seriously?
Yes, seriously. Report came from a 148 alum who was on the livestream chat and had contact with the team. Perhaps "ran into" in the sense of "run" wan't the proper way to describe it. But somebody on the field had an unexpected collision with the string.

Again, this is technically hearsay because I'm saying someone else said it. But, that source is pretty credible.

barn34 27-02-2015 17:01
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jee7s (Post 1450815)
Yes, seriously. Report came from a 148 alum who was on the livestream chat and had contact with the team. Perhaps "ran into" in the sense of "run" wan't the proper way to describe it. But somebody on the field had an unexpected collision with the string.

Again, this is technically hearsay because I'm saying someone else said it. But, that source is pretty credible.
If that is indeed the case, that is very understandable. Make the string high vis and the safety issue should go away. Again, if this is the actual concern, I'd be surprised if 148 doesn't have an acceptable solution in place for the remainder of the season (if not by tomorrow).

IronicDeadBird 27-02-2015 17:04
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1450816)
If that is indeed the case, that is very understandable. Make the string high vis and the safety issue should go away. Again, if this is the actual concern, I'd be surprised if 148 doesn't have an acceptable solution in place for the remainder of the season (if not by tomorrow).
I don't think making the string visible eliminates the safety hazard. Wouldn't it just reduce the chance of an accident happening?

Also I truly hope they figure this out its a beautiful machine.

Jake987 27-02-2015 17:12
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1450809)
I just want to give a shout out to 987. That is one phenomenal machine. Nicely done, guys!
Thanks we appreciate the love.
We all worked really hard this year and are happy with how everything is turning out so far :D

Michael Corsetto 27-02-2015 17:15
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Russell (Post 1450812)
...seriously?
Confirmed.

I think its fair to place the blame squarely on the reffing crew for this one.

If this is a G1 violation, every <1sec RC can grabber should be illegal as well.

Ridiculous.

-Mike

Mark Sheridan 27-02-2015 17:26
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1450823)
Confirmed.

I think its fair to place the blame squarely on the reffing crew for this one.

If this is a G1 violation, every <1sec RC can grabber should be illegal as well.

Ridiculous.

-Mike
wow I am speechless. I think there are plenty of robot carts are more dangerous than this.

IronicDeadBird 27-02-2015 17:34
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
I'm looking through the rules
I really don't know how I feel about it being a G1 a
It might be skirting on G26
R7 is the biggest one that sticks out to me though (no pun intended)

Mastonevich 27-02-2015 17:39
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Say it isn't so........

Travis Hoffman 27-02-2015 17:44
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1450816)
If that is indeed the case, that is very understandable. Make the string high vis and the safety issue should go away.
Put Pink and Green zip ties on it to give everyone 2005 flashbacks.

IronicDeadBird 27-02-2015 18:26
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor Mulkey (Post 1450863)
The team was told that having colored string instead of the existing black string would not make it legal. Not sure if further attempts to make the string highly visible would change the ref's call.
Did they even indicate if making it visible would remedy the situation?

IronicDeadBird 27-02-2015 18:39
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor Mulkey (Post 1450868)
By that logic, a referee could claim that the highly visible tether cable is illegal because it is a tripping hazard. (The tether and string run along almost the same path, just at different heights.) In my opinion, as long as the string is highly visible, it is no more of a safety hazard than the tether that has already been OK'd by Q&A. I guess what needs to be found out is what makes the string highly visible.
Did they indicate what rule you violated and in what way?

Kevin Sevcik 27-02-2015 19:14
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird (Post 1450832)
I'm looking through the rules
I really don't know how I feel about it being a G1 a
It might be skirting on G26
R7 is the biggest one that sticks out to me though (no pun intended)
G26 isn't really credible unless someone wants to try to support the claim that 148 has a strategy of entangling robots on their own alliance. Even then, that's a rule that really should be enforced in the breach. A strategy for entangling robots that never comes close to doing so probably shouldn't be penalized.

R7 is the closest, I think:
Quote:
Originally Posted by R7
Protrusions from the ROBOT and exposed surfaces on the ROBOT shall not pose hazards to the ARENA elements (including the LITTER, RECYCLING CONTAINERS and TOTES) or people.
This obviously hinges on your definition of "hazard". This is typically used for against sharps that are liable to draw blood even if you just graze them. Also devices that are obviously going to break some part of the arena. If this was the rule the cited, the claim would be that even 4 high viz waist high strings present a significant threat of injuring someone. I don't see how they can square that with the pretty clear rulings on the legality of tethers, which are probably rather greater tripping hazards.

philso 27-02-2015 19:23
Re: 2015 Dallas Regional
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1450878)
R7 is the closest, I think:This obviously hinges on your definition of "hazard". This is typically used for against sharps that are liable to draw blood even if you just graze them. Also devices that are obviously going to break some part of the arena. If this was the rule the cited, the claim would be that even 4 high viz waist high strings present a significant threat of injuring someone. I don't see how they can square that with the pretty clear rulings on the legality of tethers, which are probably rather greater tripping hazards.
It seems that there is some element of subjectivity when determining that something like these strings are a hazard.

It would be very sad to see Alfred go the way of 118's balancing mechanism from Rebound Rumble. Seeing it in action is still a cherished memory.


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