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TimTheGreat 20-10-2014 08:10

Battery Connector Color
 
Our team's charging station is built on a library cart, with the charger on top, and the batteries down below. It charges 8 at a time, and the wiring gets hard to follow. To make it easier to identify which battery is which, I want to put different color Anderson SB50 connectors on. But the colors are not compatible with one another. This means that we would need a bridge between the battery and the robot that changed colors. I don't want to do this because there is a higher chance of a bad connection, so my idea was during competition, we would change the connector on the robot to match the battery color. Have any other teams experimented with this?

Foster 20-10-2014 08:30

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Why not wrap the connector in different colored tape? Or paint them all white and put big numbers on them?

Tem1514 Mentor 20-10-2014 08:31

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
A simple solution is to use a different color of electrical tape that is attached to the charger in a visible location and then the same color of electrical tape on the Anderson connector of that changer. Really simple, just follow the color trail.

MrBasse 20-10-2014 08:39

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
We ordered a dozen red SB-50s and received a dozen grey ones. When we went to plug them in they didn't fit. We just milled down the connector where there was interference and red plugs into grey just fine now. The contacts are what holds them together anyway. I'm not positive about other colors, but contact position should be the same on all of them. You can see our setup here.

Otherwise, what about organizing your wiring a little better so it is easier to trace? Or labeling your ports on the charger and then labeling you battery positions? In the above linked picture, we had a hard time figuring out how we wanted to organize things, but ended up with a visual layout. The batteries are arranged top to bottom by number and on the charger they go from the middle to the out side by position. You can see how 9 and 10 are not lit up on the charger because they aren't in the cart. If we unplugged battery 1 on the bottom left it would turn the light off on the far left side of the charger.

TimTheGreat 20-10-2014 09:17

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
We have electrical tape on them now, and it looks god awful, it peels off, and we don't have 8 different colors. However, we DO have 8 different-colored connectors, and nothing else to do with them. The main reason I want to change the battery color is so they don't go to waste. What about other ideas about what to do with them?

Alan Anderson 20-10-2014 09:40

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTheGreat (Post 1405036)
We have electrical tape on them now, and it looks god awful, it peels off, and we don't have 8 different colors.

If you just put a small piece of electrical tape on a plastic connector, it is likely to peel off. But if you use the tape as it is designed, wrapping all the way around so that it is stuck to itself, it will stay on for a very very long time.

We also don't have 8 different colors of electrical tape. However, we do have a color printer, and we have nice strong clear tape. Our chargers' connectors are labeled with well-taped paper numbers and colors, with matching paper color collars on the wire and matching numbers and colors on the chargers.

Chadfrom308 20-10-2014 10:23

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Color heatshrink. Cheap from online, it makes a good, protected connection, and it is good protection. Just put it on before the connector, where the wire goes into the connector. That way its right by the connector so if it ever becomes unplugged, it can easily be recognised as to what motor or whatever it goes to.

TimTheGreat 20-10-2014 10:44

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBasse (Post 1405034)
We just milled down the connector where there was interference and red plugs into grey just fine now.

Do you have a picture of what the connector looks like now that it is milled?

MrForbes 20-10-2014 10:55

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTheGreat (Post 1405030)
Our team's charging station is built on a library cart, with the charger on top, and the batteries down below. It charges 8 at a time, and the wiring gets hard to follow.

or you could dress the wires, to make them easy to follow.

MrBasse 20-10-2014 11:33

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTheGreat (Post 1405052)
Do you have a picture of what the connector looks like now that it is milled?

I'll have to take one when I can get back down to the shop. But just imagine the part the arrow points to in this picture cut down 1/8".

And no that isn't my picture, I borrowed it from google. We haven't managed to fry an SB-50 yet.

AdamHeard 20-10-2014 14:00

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
I interpret the rules to say that the connector has to be that PN, which means red only.

So all the batteries and the robot itself must have a red connector. My as well then use red on the charger as well, and label/color via some other method.

TimTheGreat 20-10-2014 14:28

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405085)
I interpret the rules to say that the connector has to be that PN, which means red only.

Which rule is that?

AdamHeard 20-10-2014 14:35

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTheGreat (Post 1405090)
Which rule is that?

R35 in 2014 calls out "SB50". I could be mistaken, but I believe only the red has SB50 as the PN, and the other colors have another letter at the end to denote color (EX, SB50G).

cgmv123 20-10-2014 14:37

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405085)
I interpret the rules to say that the connector has to be that PN, which means red only.

So all the batteries and the robot itself must have a red connector. My as well then use red on the charger as well, and label/color via some other method.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTheGreat (Post 1405090)
Which rule is that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405092)
R35 in 2014 calls out "SB50". I could be mistaken, but I believe only the red has SB50 as the PN, and the other colors have another letter at the end to denote color (EX, SB50G).

Actually, the 2014 rules don't specify a color. All R35 says is " Anderson Power Products (or APP) Connectors (p/n SB50)", which is available in multiple colors, but different colors don't mate (except for black and grey).

I'm fairly certain that, if asked, the 2014 GDC would have said that only the red connector is allowed, since part of the reasoning of a single connector is to allow all batteries, chargers and robots to be interchangeable across teams.

TimTheGreat 20-10-2014 18:43

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1405093)

I'm fairly certain that, if asked, the 2014 GDC would have said that only the red connector is allowed, since part of the reasoning of a single connector is to allow all batteries, chargers and robots to be interchangeable across teams.


Makes sense. Well, I think we are going to bag the idea, but if anyone has an idea to make use of the 80 or so connectors we have, please share.

Foster 20-10-2014 18:57

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Our local Harbor Freight sells 5 packs of colored tape for $2

http://www.harborfreight.com/colored...ack-66462.html

Wrap around (from a prior suggestion) and stick it to itself it NEVER comes off.

And you can color code GREEN + COLOR = Competition Battery RED + COLOR = Practice Battery and keep track that way.

I would go for the multiple colors, create plaids, and say "Oh that's the McGregor battery, why is it plugged into the Clan Stewart charger?" Another way to do crossovers from History to Robotics. :rolleyes:

But I have to say the label under the clear tape caught my eye. That seems to be the way to go. Plus when you recycle the battery pigtails when the battery dies, it's a rip and go for the new label.

Good luck!

kbmeier 20-10-2014 20:40

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
We've only been doing it this season, but we've found that a nice, big letter or number on the Powerpole connector, written in sharpie is working well for us. We have the letter also written on the tops of the chargers, but a stick-on label on the front should work well if the top of your charger isn't visible.

Tristan Lall 20-10-2014 21:36

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1405092)
R35 in 2014 calls out "SB50". I could be mistaken, but I believe only the red has SB50 as the PN, and the other colors have another letter at the end to denote color (EX, SB50G).

My understanding was that SB50 was a designation that means "SB series, 50 A rating", and that to specify a housing colour, handle, panel mount, contact style, etc., you needed to refer to the SB50 catalogue pages where all those options would be listed individually (under various part numbers, none of them SB50).

For marking these, paint markers and/or vibratory engravers work well (the marking needs to be in a recess, or it may eventually rub off). (Edit: Watch out for the solvents in the paint marker. Don't use acetone on polycarbonate, from which the SB connectors are made.)

Al Skierkiewicz 27-10-2014 08:08

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Anderson designed these to only mate like colors. This insures that applications can use the same tooling while preventing mis-mating of different circuits.
The 3M color wheel that we use for identifying wire on the robot, also works very well for the multiple station chargers. The color wheel is available from Digikey, although the $30 cost can be tough to budget for.

Billfred 27-10-2014 20:02

Re: Battery Connector Color
 
Another thought if you need multiple colors: color combinations. Assuming your hardware store is like mine, you can probably get red, black, white, yellow, green, and blue. So if you have eight chargers, you can do the six plus, say, blue and white and black and yellow. As long as you don't have a yellow and black in that mix, you should be fine.


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