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Bryce2471 13-11-2014 23:59

pic: Lightweight (relatively) 2 CIM Shifting Swerve Drive
 

glennword 14-11-2014 00:00

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How did you do the serpentine calculations? Gates IQ?

asid61 14-11-2014 01:28

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Looks good. Why do you have two encoders? Is one for rotation?
Is the shifting shaft custom or vex?
What pitch is the belt?
Also, out of curiosity: is the gear running on a bearing or is it just bolted to the wheel? I designed mine with a bearing in the gear for safety, but is it necessary?
Is the wheel running on bearings or just on an aluminum hollow axle?

Bryce2471 14-11-2014 02:20

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Originally Posted by glennword (Post 1408515)
How did you do the serpentine calculations? Gates IQ?

No, I just did an approximation with the center of the belt backing. It does't need to be perfect. If the belt length was off by up to a half inch in either direction the tensioner would adjust.
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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1408522)
Looks good. Why do you have two encoders? Is one for rotation?
Is the shifting shaft custom or vex?
What pitch is the belt?
Also, out of curiosity: is the gear running on a bearing or is it just bolted to the wheel? I designed mine with a bearing in the gear for safety, but is it necessary?
Is the wheel running on bearings or just on an aluminum hollow axle?

Yes, one measures wheel orientation, and the other measures travel speed.

It's vex, but it's shortened on both ends.

HTD 5mm

I doubt that a bearing in the gear is necessary. With a dead axle that's well
supported, bearings on either side of the wheel, and a gear that's close to the wheel, you shouldn't have any trouble just bolting the gear to the wheel.

The drive wheel is running on two ball bearings on an aluminum hallow axle.

asid61 14-11-2014 03:16

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Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1408528)
I doubt that a bearing in the gear is necessary. With a dead axle that's well
supported, bearings on either side of the wheel, and a gear that's close to the wheel, you shouldn't have any trouble just bolting the gear to the wheel.

The drive wheel is running on two ball bearings on an aluminum hallow axle.

Can you put one bearing in the gear and one in the opposite side of the wheel? You still get the support that way, as well as alignment. And you still only use two bearings.

Al Skierkiewicz 14-11-2014 07:57

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Nice Job!

hrench 14-11-2014 12:28

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really amazing. Now all you need is to be allowed eight CIMS on the bot. and a refrigerated main breaker.

Bryce2471 14-11-2014 13:51

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1408529)
Can you put one bearing in the gear and one in the opposite side of the wheel? You still get the support that way, as well as alignment. And you still only use two bearings.

you could do that, although it's not the optimal solution in my mind because the bolts would be loaded in shear by the weight of the robot.
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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 1408537)
Nice Job!

Thank you! :)
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Originally Posted by hrench (Post 1408569)
really amazing. Now all you need is to be allowed eight CIMS on the bot. and a refrigerated main breaker.

this accually only uses 1 CIM and 1 mini CIM. The breaker would most likely be okay, assuming that auto-shifting code was used.

asid61 14-11-2014 22:04

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Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1408581)
you could do that, although it's not the optimal solution in my mind because the bolts would be loaded in shear by the weight of the robot.

Thank you! :)

this accually only uses 1 CIM and 1 mini CIM. The breaker would most likely be okay, assuming that auto-shifting code was used.

Good to consider.
What miter gears are in there? Are they the vex ones?
And I assume those pulleys are aluminum... just a random thought.

Bryce2471 14-11-2014 23:26

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1408658)
Good to consider.
What miter gears are in there? Are they the vex ones?
And I assume those pulleys are aluminum... just a random thought.

They are 20 tooth 20 pitch steel gears from SDP/SI.
Yes they are aluminum pulleys from B&B man.

asid61 15-11-2014 00:04

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Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1408677)
They are 20 tooth 20 pitch steel gears from SDP/SI.
Yes they are aluminum pulleys from B&B man.

Ok, good. It just seemed like they would be heavy for this design due to their solidity.

Bryce2471 15-11-2014 16:43

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1408682)
Ok, good. It just seemed like they would be heavy for this design due to their solidity.

What are you referring to as being solid? Are you talking about the aluminum pulleys or the steel miter gears?

Also, what roller bearing did you use as an idler? I just put a solid steel stand-in to fill the space.

asid61 15-11-2014 22:12

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Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1408734)
What are you referring to as being solid? Are you talking about the aluminum pulleys or the steel miter gears?

Also, what roller bearing did you use as an idler? I just put a solid steel stand-in to fill the space.

The pulley is solid aluminum, unlightened. The miter gears I would highly recommend against shorening the hub (widening the bore it fine) due to the strange geometry making it hard to machine.

For the bearing, I used these:
http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-...2-SR1634ZZ3PS2

Bryce2471 16-11-2014 01:09

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1408752)

Thanks for the resource! I've never used them.
Although, I was wondering about the bearing that you used to tension the lower belt, not the 0.75" bearing for the shifter. lol

asid61 16-11-2014 05:00

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Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1408775)
Thanks for the resource! I've never used them.
Although, I was wondering about the bearing that you used to tension the lower belt, not the 0.75" bearing for the shifter. lol

Oh. For the lower belt, I just used a steel sleeve around a slightly longer aluminum sleeve. The aluminum sleeve had a 10-32 screw go through and clamp to the top plate. Then the steel sleeve was still free spinning, but constrained in place.
You could just use a 1/4" or 5/16" aluminum sleeve and use a 1/4" or 5/16" bearing from McMaster or Boca Bearings. I know 192 used Boca last year for their gearbox gears, but personally I haven't used them.


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