How do divisions work at champs?
 

I know this may be a stupid question, but how does FIRST put the divisions together? I mean, what determines what division you are put in?

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Pseudo-random magic.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Oh ok so it IS random... thanks
I wasn't sure and I was really curious. Excuse my noobishness:D

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

It's magic. I don't know how it works, I doubt many people do (besides the folks at FIRST who make it happen), and I've never seen a reasonable explanation.

Very good question, but I doubt you'll get a good answer.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Frank made a blog post earlier this year explaining how they assign teams to divisions. Im sure it will change next year though.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...atch-Schedules

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

I doubt it will change much as it makes perfect sense. Distribute the rookies evenly, distribute the veterans evenly. The only tweak they'd need is to change it from counting from 1 to 4 to counting from 1 to 8, or however many divisions there are in 2015.

It's pretty hard, probably impossible, to hack that system to guarantee you end up in any particular division.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Anyone watch the order of teams who have already registered carefully enough to work out who's in which division if we have 6 or 8 divisions. :)

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

I believe Frank did say somewhere that they were looking into having between 6 and 8 divisions...I'm still hoping for 7. ;)

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

I'm still confused how 6 would work for Einstein... Do you seed one division over the others, do you round robin between all then an NFL style elims? It just seems so confusing

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

We'll find out. FIRST has done some odd brackets before...Might run double-elimination round-robin. Lose two, you're out. Last two standing play best two out of three.


That said, I'd suspect 8 divisions of about 75 teams each would be the better way to handle this. Works better on Einstein.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

I'd really like to see this. Especially if they have two Einstein fields and they play back to back matches (one resets while the other plays). Otherwise, a double length Einstein might be too much.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Rookies can't register yet, and they get assigned to divisions first*.

*Assuming divisions are assigned using the same system as last year as described by Frank.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Correct, but assuming it is done the same way every 8th* prequalified team to register would be in the same division.

*assuming 8 divisions, can substitute for any number of divisions.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

I agree. Double elimination would be very interesting...would probably let us see more unique matchups.

Re: How do divisions work at champs?
 

Frank Said in his blog that 8 divisions would likely be too many just by the sheer size 4 additional fields would take up. Even with FTC gone it doesn't save that much room.