[FRC Blog] FIRST Choice Priority Lists Due
 

Posted on the FRC Blog, 12/2/14: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...rity-lists-due

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Interesting only 350 teams have submitted, I've been trying to make a reasonable guess at the number of teams that would submit and that's a lot lower than I ever thought. Hopefully people are just waiting till the last day.

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It lower than I would expect but I imagine it will shoot up in these last ~23 hours.

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I know we have a list created, but not yet submitted. With the thanksgiving holiday, it's been difficult to get input from everyone involved in team leadership. The final touches will be made tonight and the list submitted. No sense rushing ourselves last week!

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Yes but the question is by how much, are we even going to see half of the registered FRC teams take advantage of this opportunity?

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The process has never worked this way before so it is hard to tell what a normal number of submissions at this time is. I know that my team has yet to submit and we will also be finishing our list later tonight.

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We have started a list and will be completing/submitting it tonight. We didn't have meetings the week of Thanksgiving so we haven't discussed it much. Have a feeling many other teams are in the same boat.

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According to the flow chart there is supposed to be a "public list of received Priority Lists". Anyone know where this list is actually made public?

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Thanks. Looks like we're at slightly over 1000 teams now.

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1692 teams are listed as entering Priority Lists by noon. (Don't know if the list has had it's last update yet or not)

Better than half (58%) of the currently registered 2922 teams.

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Not sure how much this helps, but we submitted at 10:21, and we're on the list.

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We submitted at 11:50, and we're on the list as well.

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Just after noon the list was missing 250 teams (even some who had been on it yesterday), but it sounds like everyone who's anyone is now on it.
I probably just caught it mid-update.

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Well . . . it looks like the FIRST Choice site is down now. I wouldn't imagine there was a flood of activity as large as last year. Maybe when FIRST sent the priority lists over it caused a problem? Or maybe they just shut it down manually.

What Are The Odds?
 

So, since some items had a maximum order limit and we know the number of priority teams, what are the odds of getting an item if every team ordered the same things at max quantity?
Of course the actual odds are better than this, since not all teams want all of these items.

The lesson here is to have ranked our order list to optimize our chances of getting everything we want. Victors, for instance, were a no-brainer for putting at the end of the 600 credit mark on the Priority List and still being assured of getting them. But if a seat motor was your must have selection, then it belonged at the very top.

We can further refine the estimate of the odds by modeling the many passes through the priority list, but who has time for that?

odds ------ Description
123.9% -- Victor 888 (fc15-019)
70.9% ---- Parker Fitting Kit (fc15-065)
58.9% ---- Microsoft Lifecam HD3000 Camera (fc15-016)
41.3% ---- Digital Multimeter & DVD (fc15-056)
36.1% ---- Pneumatic Pressure Switch (fc15-113)
32.1% ---- 12" Lazy Susan (fc15-035)
30.4% ---- HS-322HD Servo (fc15-063)
30.3% ---- Green Ring Light (fc15-033)
29.6% ---- Ethernet Port Saver (fc15-030)
29.6% ---- Encoder Kit (fc15-039)
28.1% ---- E12 Classmate (fc15-006)
27.8% ---- Battery Charger (fc15-005)
24.4% ---- Crimping Tool (fc15-038)
23.6% ---- Quadro K4000 Video Card (fc15-114)
16.0% ---- cRIO, 4-slot Controller and I/O Kit (fc15-049)
14.9% ---- Freelin-Wade Red Tubing (fc15-011)
14.8% ---- AndyMark 9015 Motor (fc15-002)
14.8% ---- 12V Battery (fc15-008)
14.8% ---- REV Protoboard (fc15-029)
14.8% ---- Freelin-Wade Black Tubing (fc15-009)
14.8% ---- Freelin-Wade Blue Tubing (fc15-010)
12.3% ---- Black Jaguar (fc15-034)
11.4% ---- Freelin-Wade Transparent Blue Tubing (fc15-012)
7.4% ----- AndyMark Snow Blower Motor (fc15-003)
7.1% ----- iglide® PRT slewing ring (fc15-103)
4.6% ----- Black Jaguar (fc15-118)
2.8% ----- Seat Motor (fc15-037)

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I assure you, someone has time for that.

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Here's our priority list. It gets a little silly towards the bottom but hopefully we won't have to go down that far. Seeing as this is the first year I'm betting teams are interested in seeing how other teams filled out their lists.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...fuc/edit#gid=0

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What's with having 1100 credits of breakers spread over 7 line items?

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I never figured out if the system would actually assign incomplete quantities or not and didn't matter that much to me to ask. Plus we are in dire need of breakers and I don't want to buy them. If I got 600 credits of breakers I wouldn't be upset.

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Agreed. We're also on the breaker bandwagon.

It's a decent dollar value of breakers in there.

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So here's a question:

FIRST has said in the blog that there WILL be new items added to FIRST Choice after Kickoff, and that additional points would be allotted to teams at that time. But does anyone know if leftover points from this round will still be valid after Kickoff, or will we need to spend all of our current 600 before the new items are introduced at Kickoff?

FIRST (and AM?) were insisting that teams select 2000+ points worth of items in order to be assured that all their points were spent in this round, but I never read anything that said the points will expire before Jan. 3rd if we don't. We were perhaps somewhat optimistic and perhaps somewhat foolish, but we only put about 850 points worth of items on our Priority List, thinking that if we didn't get what we really want, then the points would still be there after Kickoff to be used for the "good" stuff.

Does anyone have a definitive answer?

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The way I read the flow chart: If the item is available you get the quantity you ordered & have credits for.

I was thinking it would close at midnight. Good thing I checked yesterday. & Thanks for the First reminder emails.

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Nvermind - I just found my answer - also in the blog:

So why the push to make everyone blow it all in this round on stuff we don't really need?

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I think they were emphasizing that if you wanted to spend all 600 units now, you'd probably have to select 2000 units worth due to the lottery.

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Start Speculation

Since they are still getting feedback from beta teams on new speed controllers, I wonder if CTRE will be donating some Talon SRXs. Or someone could be donating game/field pieces (especially if they're expensive. I am thinking of basketball hoops from 2012 as an example).

My guess is that if that happens, there would be a limit for these items and having 300 leftover credits plus the new unknown amount of new credits might leave your team unhappy. Especially if all there is left are switches.

End Speculation

-matto-

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Up to 1732 teams submitting Priority Lists now, so there must be some exceptions for late rookies or something. Maybe issues with arranging school payment for shipping charges that delayed the acceptance of some Lists.

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Taking a quick glance at the list is looks like 59% of all teams submitted and 48% of rookies.

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Does anyone have a guess as to why more veteran teams didn't submit a list? And why there are situations like where 70-More Martians submitted but sister team 494-Martians didn't?

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A few teams may have made bone-head moves like me...I set up our priority list, but didn't realize that we had to go through extra steps to submit. At 12:10 when I realized there was a list - and we weren't on it - I freaked out and sent a message to AM. FIRST made a decision to accept partially completed lists, as long as the team finished the submission (obviously - the team could not change the list itself). I finished ours as soon as I got that message.

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So where is the list that tells us what teams have submitted and may be what teams have not?

A link would be nice, thanks.

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See post #9 for the link to the list of teams on the Priority List list.

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1806 on the Priority List list.
I assume this is final since teams have received notification of their allocated FIRST Choice items now.