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Michael Hill 05-12-2014 13:37

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
Frank (and staff) comes through again! Thanks!

Jon Stratis 05-12-2014 14:04

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1411690)
As a Lead Que I am glad for the change. I HATE Thursdays at FIRST events with a passion. The mornings are a complete waste of time for volunteers as we're just sitting around waiting for teams to show up and I never understood why they close the field down at 4:30 when the pits are open til 8. I say let them play until it's time to go home.
I would also like to see them do away with the schedule. It's stupid and adds stress to the volunteers who often have to scramble to put teams on and off the field because if it (if a scheduled team comes stumbling up late but has already been replaced by a fill in we have to kick the fill in out to put the latecomer in thus delaying the match further). It's much easier to roll teams to the back of the line and build matches (ala IRI) than it is to work around a useless schedule.

I would support that... IF there were some rules in place to encourage inspections - only teams that have passed inspection can go out, or you can only go out once an hour until you pass, something like that... we don't want to see teams spend 6 hours cycling through the line over and over again, then scrambling at the very end of the day to get inspected.

AllenGregoryIV 05-12-2014 14:09

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1411764)
I would support that... IF there were some rules in place to encourage inspections - only teams that have passed inspection can go out, or you can only go out once an hour until you pass, something like that... we don't want to see teams spend 6 hours cycling through the line over and over again, then scrambling at the very end of the day to get inspected.

To be honest, I don't think teams should be allowed to practice until they either pass inspection or the LRI says they can (special cases late in the day, minor changes that aren't critical but may take time). Every year we talk about potentially dangerous robots on the practice field and with no official rules about "safety inspections" there isn't much that can be done. I don't remember the last time we went the practice field with out being inspected but I know it's not very often.

Joe G. 05-12-2014 14:15

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1411765)
To be honest, I don't think teams should be allowed to practice until they either pass inspection or the LRI says they can (special cases late in the day, minor changes that aren't critical but may take time). Every year we talk about potentially dangerous robots on the practice field and with no official rules about "safety inspections" there isn't much that can be done. I don't remember the last time we went the practice field with out being inspected but I know it's not very often.

I would agree with this. I've always been somewhat baffled by how FIRST chooses what elements of the inspection process truly get emphasized with things like this, as well as elimination re-inspections. Robots make it out there with potentially dangerous electrical or pneumatic flaws, but god forbid your bumpers sag too low...

BrendanB 05-12-2014 14:18

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Originally Posted by Joe G. (Post 1411768)
...but god forbid your bumpers sag too low...

This. I don't think we've ever made it through an elimination inspection without having to adjust our bumpers because its just a hair out of the bumper zone in one spot.

dodar 05-12-2014 14:37

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1411771)
This. I don't think we've ever made it through an elimination inspection without having to adjust our bumpers because its just a hair out of the bumper zone in one spot.

I've been on 1592 since 2007, I dont think we've ever been told that our bumpers were too low or sagging or outside the bumper zone. I always thought it was one of the few rules that hardly got called on.

Tem1514 Mentor 06-12-2014 09:32

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1411765)
To be honest, I don't think teams should be allowed to practice until they either pass inspection or the LRI says they can (special cases late in the day, minor changes that aren't critical but may take time). Every year we talk about potentially dangerous robots on the practice field and with no official rules about "safety inspections" there isn't much that can be done. I don't remember the last time we went the practice field with out being inspected but I know it's not very often.

How many times have we seen a robot just not work during quals because they never made it to the field to make sure the coms to the FMS are working?
So for me, everyone should or must go to the field at least once on Thursday, inspected or not.

Koko Ed 06-12-2014 09:39

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Tem1514 Mentor (Post 1411901)
How many times have we seen a robot just not work during quals because they never made it to the field to make sure the coms to the FMS are working?
So for me, everyone should or must go to the field at least once on Thursday, inspected or not.

When the practice matches are done we have a list of every team that has not made it to the field and encourage them to come out and link up the the field.

Jon Stratis 06-12-2014 10:06

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1411903)
When the practice matches are done we have a list of every team that has not made it to the field and encourage them to come out and link up the the field.

Same here. Even if it isn't for a real match, the FTA, queuers, and LRI work together to make sure everyone has connected, even if nothing else is working on the robot. That doesn't mean teams won't screw something up before quals!

Qbot2640 06-12-2014 10:27

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
This is a phenomenal change - the only downside for us is that it will shorten the awesome Thursday night team dinner we always have at the NC Regional in a top secret location we found in Durham.

To the concerns above about uninspected robots cycling for hours, the events I have participated in (either with my team or as a volunteer) have only allowed uninspected teams to play in their "scheduled" practice matches...you must pass inspection to fill in empty spots.

NOW, if FIRST would allow teams to set up their pits Wednesday night (still no robot unbagging, of course) so they could be ready first thing Thursday morning to get started working or get inspected - that would make practice day run a great deal better.

MrRoboSteve 06-12-2014 10:33

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
When working in the CSA role, I coordinate with inspectors (Hi Jon!) and start visiting the list of "haven't been on the field yet" teams early in the afternoon on practice day. In particular, I focus on rookies and teams that appear to be struggling, to ensure that they get out early and get connected. I also go look at the status board at the inspection table, and examine any partially completed inspection forms to identify teams with control system issues. I'll also get messages from the field pointing out teams that are having connectivity issues during practice.

Last year, at the two events I worked, we had a small handful of teams that first connected after the close of practice. Everyone was connected by the end of the evening of practice.

We had comments on our bumpers last year, so I know it happens.

Based on Frank's blog post, it's likely that the overall practice day schedule (pit open to close) will be roughly the same as last year. I hope that connectivity tests are allowed during the time prior to practice field open.

Koko Ed 06-12-2014 11:14

Re: [FRC Blog] Frank Answers Fridays: December 5, 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1411909)
Same here. Even if it isn't for a real match, the FTA, queuers, and LRI work together to make sure everyone has connected, even if nothing else is working on the robot. That doesn't mean teams won't screw something up before quals!

Many teams don't know what they're doing (the inspectors need something to do all Friday) but often blame the field (and the mostly experienced volunteers) for their robot isn't working even if it's mostly made of wood and the bumpers are hanging by the threads of fabric that barely passed inspection but by God we know what we're doing!


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