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Hallry 10-12-2014 09:25
[FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Posted on the FRC Blog, 12/10/14: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...blog-kit-hints

Quote:
Kit Hints?

Blog Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 08:56

A message from our Kit of Parts team:
We’re in full swing preparing for Kickoff, not sure if you heard, but its 24 days away.

Kickoff Kits start leaving the warehouse in New Hampshire today! We want to make sure you have the information you need to get your Kickoff Kit home safely. The Kit of Parts homepage has been updated with sizes and weights of various components of the Kickoff Kit that you can expect to have to pack up and take back to your build space. We recommend you leave the Vespa at home.

We’ve also updated the Kit of Parts homepage with a link to information about the difference between what veteran and rookie teams will receive and a link to information about inventorying your Kickoff Kit and the process for reporting missing or damaged components.

Orion.DeYoe 10-12-2014 09:27
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
What could collectively be 3x3x60?
I also notice that the drive train box seems to be the same size as last year.

AlexC 10-12-2014 09:30
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1412671)
What could collectively be 3x3x60?
Game piece perhaps?

FRC 2014 Just Joust!

BrendanB 10-12-2014 09:32
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexC (Post 1412674)
Game piece perhaps?

FRC 2014 Just Joust!
That name can work as a substitute for Aerial Assist too.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 09:32
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexC (Post 1412674)
Game piece perhaps?

FRC 2014 Just Joust!
I've been thinking for years what kind of game they could do with rods, maybe this is the year I find out.

AlexC 10-12-2014 09:33
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1412675)
That name can work as a substitute for Aerial Assist too.
Hahaha too true, too true.

Steven Donow 10-12-2014 09:42
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Clearly it's a box of CIMs lined up in a terribly inefficient way. The weight is just a typo.

jvriezen 10-12-2014 09:47
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
My guess for 3x3 is 'must use' bumper fabric. Would add to asthetics of matches and prevent fabric selection for advantage.

29x22x22 is two or more game pieces?

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 09:50
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412683)
My guess for 3x3 is 'must use' bumper fabric. Would add to asthetics of matches and prevent fabric selection for advantage.

29x22x22 is two or more game pieces?
Bumper fabric that is 5' long?

audietron 10-12-2014 09:52
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412683)
My guess for 3x3 is 'must use' bumper fabric. Would add to asthetics of matches and prevent fabric selection for advantage.

29x22x22 is two or more game pieces?
I doubt they would not tell us about a change like this until kickoff since we are allowed to buy the fabric in advanced.

BigJ 10-12-2014 09:53
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by audietron (Post 1412685)
I doubt they would not tell us about a change like this until kickoff since we are allowed to buy the fabric in advanced.
You're allowed to buy a lot of stuff in advance that might not be legal next year.

Like wheels.

Whippet 10-12-2014 09:55
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
6 lbs? So this thing is .1 pound per inch of length?

Whippet 10-12-2014 09:57
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1412686)
Like wheels.
I hope we'll still be able to buy wheels. It would be a pretty terrible game if we had special FIRST-mandated wheels as a central element to gameplay. Good thing it hasn't happened yet...

audietron 10-12-2014 10:00
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1412686)
You're allowed to buy a lot of stuff in advance that might not be legal next year.

Like wheels.
Agreed. I retract my last statement.

Kimmeh 10-12-2014 10:01
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1412690)
I hope we'll still be able to buy wheels. It would be a pretty terrible game if we had special FIRST-mandated wheels as a central element to gameplay. Good thing it hasn't happened yet...
If that happened we'd never hear the end of it. People would still be complaining about it, 5 years later...

Richard Wallace 10-12-2014 10:01
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1412671)
What could collectively be 3x3x60?
Twenty wiffleballs?

jvriezen 10-12-2014 10:05
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412684)
Bumper fabric that is 5' long?
60" is a standard fabric bolt width. The other dimension will be the bumper length you are expecting. No box. Kickoff teams seeing the kit early will know. But it is not much of an advantage. Or maybe 54" in a box. Thats another std width.

I'm guessing bumper numbers will be provided and mandatory also. This removes inspector headaches and makes sure all teams' numbers are visible.

catacon 10-12-2014 10:06
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My prediction: two-wheeled jousting robots. :D

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 10:07
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412694)
60" is a standard fabric bolt width. The other dimension will be the bumper length you are expecting. No box. Kickoff teams seeing the kit early will know. But it is not much of an advantage.

I'm guessing bumper numbers will be provided and mandatory also. This removes inspector headaches and makes sure all teams' numbers are visible.
I doubt it would need to be packaged in a tube though, I'd imagine it would be much cheaper to fold it and put it in a tote.

Boe 10-12-2014 10:10
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412694)
I'm guessing bumper numbers will be provided and mandatory also. This removes inspector headaches and makes sure all teams' numbers are visible.
I really hope this doesnt happen

Munchskull 10-12-2014 10:11
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Maybe the 3󫢮0 object is an extremely tall bowling pin.

billbo911 10-12-2014 10:17
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
It is a Game piece. A Hockey Goal!!

Regolith is making a come back!!!

jvriezen 10-12-2014 10:18
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412684)
Bumper fabric that is 5' long?
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412696)
I doubt it would need to be packaged in a tube though, I'd imagine it would be much cheaper to fold it and put it in a tote.
Why? It is manufactured on a roll, and the human labor to fold thousands of pieces is not trivial or cheap. With appropriate devices pieces can be cut and rolled very quickly.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 10:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412700)
Why? It is manufactured on a roll, and the human labor to fold thousands of pieces is not trivial or cheap. With appropriate devices pieces can be cut and rolled very quickly.
But its not manufactured on a roll for each team for the amount we'd be receiving. It would have been cut from rolls of fabric.

audietron 10-12-2014 10:20
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It's a box full of pvc tubing to make some sort of pyramid. right?

PayneTrain 10-12-2014 10:25
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
I would think that a package of items that has to be 5 feet long is something extremely rigid , because why on earth are you going to send teams home with something that cumbersome in a compact car unless you HAVE to?

The bumper thing is interesting. There have been dropped hints about what FIRST wants to change with bumpers for the 2015 season, but I think unless they just give everybody a physical pre-made bumper assembly, they're not going to get everyone to make them correctly.

jvriezen 10-12-2014 10:25
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412702)
But its not manufactured on a roll for each team for the amount we'd be receiving. It would have been cut from rolls of fabric.
Fabric buyers in general don't want creases. Our bumper fabric orders have always come in tubes because that's how the industry works!

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/...Caps-125-thick

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 10:25
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Its totally a bumper car power pole...

cgmv123 10-12-2014 10:26
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Since no one has posted it yet, here is the list of kickoff kit components:

Quote:
2015 Kickoff Kits will consist of the following items for all teams (sizes and weights are approximate):
A) One set of items, collectively, 27 in. x 17 in. x 17 in., 60 lbs.

B) One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs.

C) One set of items, collectively, 29 in. x 22 in. x 22 in., 9 lbs.

D) One set of items, collectively 3 in. x 3 in. x 60 in., 6 lbs.
2015 Kickoff Kits will include the following additional items for Rookie teams only:
E) One item, 27 in. x 17 in. x 13 in., 26 lbs.

F) One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs.
Teams who did not opt out of the Drive Base Kit will also receive the following item:
G) One item, 34 in. x 6 in. x 7 in., 24 lbs.

Christopher149 10-12-2014 10:30
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1412708)
Since no one has posted it yet, here is the list of kickoff kit components:
Correlating with the 2014 kit, the 27 in. x 17 in. x ## in. items are probably totes. I'm curious what the 29 in. x 22 in. x 22 in., 9 lbs. item is: it's large and very light.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 10:31
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1412709)
Correlating with the 2014 kit, the 27 in. x 17 in. x ## in. items are probably totes. I'm curious what the 29 in. x 22 in. x 22 in., 9 lbs. item is: it's large and very light.
Box of game pieces maybe?

MasterEric 10-12-2014 10:35
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Quote:
B) One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs.
Has nobody pointed this out? This thing is really heavy for it's size.

Given that Item B has a size of 168 cubic inches, and a weight of 14 pounds, it has a density of approximately 0.083333333 pounds per cubic inch.

Looking at this site, several of my guesses are eliminated, including solid gold and human bone

cgmv123 10-12-2014 10:36
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B and F are obviously batteries. IIRC, they've been in the totes the last few years.

Munchskull 10-12-2014 10:37
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The 3󫢮0 item is a set of items totalling in those dimensions.

jvriezen 10-12-2014 10:40
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchskull (Post 1412715)
The 3󫢮0 item is a set of items totalling in those dimensions.
Yep. One piece of red fabric, one blue.

Whippet 10-12-2014 10:41
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchskull (Post 1412715)
The 3󫢮0 item is a set of items totalling in those dimensions.
Two 60" graduated cylinders for measuring the water.

smarthimandrew 10-12-2014 10:44
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1412713)
B and F are obviously batteries. IIRC, they've been in the totes the last few years.
Excellent, we can rule out B and F:
http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-0844.htm

Taylor 10-12-2014 10:44
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To help me visualize, I made a picture of the KoP components. I set them on a standard 48x40 pallet for scale.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-W...ew?usp=sharing
Red and Blue objects are for everybody, Green objects are for Rookies, Black object is AM14U2.

Sparky3D 10-12-2014 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412717)
Yep. One piece of red fabric, one blue.
6 pounds would be a lot of fabric. :ahh:

blazeflipper 10-12-2014 10:49
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So, if this is our hint we have to look at every aspect of the post and assume it all was worded very carefully. They mentioned in their post that kickoff is 24 days away and Frank also made a post saying 24 days away directly after, I think that the "24" is important. Perhaps that the game piece is 24 inches long? It also says "One set of items, collectively" so maybe they gave us three game pieces. They allude to this component so we Know it isn't a typo "we recommend you leave the Vespa at home".

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 10:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blazeflipper (Post 1412722)
So, if this is our hint we have to look at every aspect of the post and assume it all was worded very carefully. They mentioned in their post that kickoff is 24 days away and Frank also made a post saying 24 days away directly after, I think that the "24" is important. Perhaps that the game piece is 24 inches long? It also says "One set of items, collectively" so maybe they gave us three game pieces. They allude to this component so we Know it isn't a typo "we recommend you leave the Vespa at home".
This is a good point, just because they are "collectively" 3x3x60 doesn't mean it is packaged at 60" long or each one is 60" long, it could be a bunch of shorter items when put end to end in line are 60" long.

FrankJ 10-12-2014 10:58
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The kit is apparently full of items. So anything marketed as or commercially available as an "item" is legal? "item" is also used a term for certain interpersonal relationships. So is this some sort of game hint about AI?

MrRoboSteve 10-12-2014 10:58
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412683)
My guess for 3x3 is 'must use' bumper fabric. Would add to asthetics of matches and prevent fabric selection for advantage.

29x22x22 is two or more game pieces?
And I just got the Rockywoods shipment notification a few minutes ago...

jvriezen 10-12-2014 11:00
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I computed density for the 22x22x29 and compared to density of a case of pool noodles shipping size and weight from amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Tundra-TWLN36-...=1418226525796

Almost identical density. 64 29" noodles? Enough for two sets of bumpers for a competition and a practice bot times two. Not nearly as convinced about this. Seems like a lot noodles unless the mfgr makes them 58" and they cut the boxes in half.

Otherwise there is a lot of air in that box.

Arpan 10-12-2014 11:00
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412723)
This is a good point, just because they are "collectively" 3x3x60 doesn't mean it is packaged at 60" long or each one is 60" long, it could be a bunch of shorter items when put end to end in line are 60" long.
In this case, why would they burden teams with something this long to carry? I'd bet that It's a roll of bumper fabric.

cgmv123 10-12-2014 11:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412730)
Otherwise there is a lot of air in that box.
Par for the course if it's from Amazon. ;)

weaversam8 10-12-2014 11:02
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I did some calculations, and 2" aluminum tubing that is 5 feet long would be roughly equivalent to 6 pounds.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:02
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1412730)
I computed density for the 22x22x29 and compared to density of a case of pool noodles shipping size and weight from amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Tundra-TWLN36-...=1418226525796

Almost identical density. 64 29" noodles? Enough for two sets of bumpers for a competition and a practice bot times two. Not nearly as convinced about this. Seems like a lot noodles unless the mfgr makes them 58" and they cut the boxes in half.

Otherwise there is a lot of air in that box.
A box full of wiffle balls? Or ball pit balls?

Boe 10-12-2014 11:03
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I dont think FIRST would package a number of smaller items in a box of that shape, it seems really cumbersome so I think its pretty safe to assume whatever is in the 3x3x60 box needs a box that long to fit it in.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:04
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1412731)
In this case, why would they burden teams with something this long to carry? I'd bet that It's a roll of bumper fabric.
I said it doesn't necessarily mean it is packaged at 60" long. It just says it is a set of items that is collectively that long. However I think this is very unlikely and it is most likely something that is 60" long.

jvriezen 10-12-2014 11:07
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412735)
A box full of wiffle balls? Or ball pit balls?
FTC is using whiffle balls this year. It would have to be something that can't be shipped deflated.

Arpan 10-12-2014 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412735)
A box full of wiffle balls? Or ball pit balls?
Remember, this is a no-balls year :P

Shu 10-12-2014 11:08
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1 Attachment(s)
My first though when I saw the size and weight of item B was one of these. How about that for a game piece? But I think the obvious answer is a battery.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:10
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How heavy have the totes been in the past? Is this year's tote much heavier than it has been in the past?

Whippet 10-12-2014 11:12
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1412740)
Remember, this is a no-balls year :P
So was that game we never refer to, but it happened anyway. :D

Arpan 10-12-2014 11:13
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
My final guess is that the long box is cloth and the large light one is pool noodle, and that FRC is providing us with bumper materials this year to standardize everything.

The gamepiece probably comes in the tote like it has for the past few years now.

jman4747 10-12-2014 11:14
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412737)
I said it doesn't necessarily mean it is packaged at 60" long. It just says it is a set of items that is collectively that long. However I think this is very unlikely and it is most likely something that is 60" long.
Dido.

Even if it were like 5 ~12" long 3x3 boxes for example why not just use one 12x9x6 box or something like that. Also they seem to be trying to say that we should prepare for something cumbersome (a 5ft long box). Same thing for wiffle balls, why not a square box? It would be cheaper/easier for us and FIRST. Based on that whatever this is has to need a box that big or else it is a waste. To the point of bumper materials, why supply everyone with something most of us have already bought and paid for? Why not tell us we are getting bumper fabric and noodles ahead of time so we don't spend the money? The whole point is so we don't spend it anyway.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:14
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1412744)
My final guess is that the long box is cloth and the large light one is pool noodle, and that FRC is providing us with bumper materials this year to standardize everything.

The gamepiece probably comes in the tote like it has for the past few years now.
29" noodles aren't really what you want for building bumpers though, you need something longer than that.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jman4747 (Post 1412745)
Dido.

Even if it were like 5 ~12" long 3x3 boxes for example why not just use one 12x9x6 box or something like that. Also they seem to be trying to say that we should prepare for something cumbersome (a 5ft long box). Same thing for wiffle balls, why not a square box? It would be cheaper/easier for us and FIRST. I think based on that whatever this is has to need a box that big or else it is a waste. To the point of bumper materials, why supply everyone with something most of us have already bought and paid for? Why not tell us we are getting bumper fabric and noodles ahead of time so we don't spend the money? The whole point is so we don't spend it anyway.
I can't remember if they announced the switch to red and blue bumpers early or if we found out on kickoff, can anybody else remember?

scca229 10-12-2014 11:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1412713)
B and F are obviously batteries. IIRC, they've been in the totes the last few years.
Wouldn't the batteries then be included in the items A and E weights (look like the black and green tote sizes from memory) since they are normally inside the totes and be part of the "collectively" statement? The sizes are right for batteries but didn't one of the extra motors boxes come outside the black tote last year?

Oblarg 10-12-2014 11:19
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Why would FIRST say "collectively 3''x3''x60''" rather than "collectively 540 cubic inches" if they were simply giving a spec for the total volume of a collection of items? I'm having a hard time buying that.

Bumper cloth and pool noodles sound reasonable. Re: the seemingly absurd amount of pool noodles that fit in the specified weight, I bet it becomes a whole lot more reasonable if you swap some of it out with plywood ;).

Christopher149 10-12-2014 11:21
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412742)
How heavy have the totes been in the past? Is this year's tote much heavier than it has been in the past?
2014 KOP: Veteran tote is same weight, rookie tote is lighter this year.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 11:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblarg (Post 1412749)
Why would FIRST say "collectively 3''x3''x60''" rather than "collectively 540 cubic inches" if they were simply giving a spec for the total volume of a collection of items? I'm having a hard time buying that.

Bumper cloth and pool noodles sound reasonable. Re: the seemingly absurd amount of pool noodles that fit in the specified weight, I bet it becomes a whole lot more reasonable if you swap some of it out with plywood ;).
Because this blog post was named Kit "Hints" and FIRST likes to watch CD squirm...

The noodles seems reasonable, but the 29" seems shorter than you actually want your noodles.

jman4747 10-12-2014 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1412751)
2014 KOP: Veteran tote is same weight, rookie tote is lighter this year.
New control system is going to everyone thus it is within box "A" while this year's rookie tote no longer has the C-Rio and other control peripherals.

jman4747 10-12-2014 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblarg (Post 1412749)
Why would FIRST say "collectively 3''x3''x60''" rather than "collectively 540 cubic inches" if they were simply giving a spec for the total volume of a collection of items? I'm having a hard time buying that.

Bumper cloth and pool noodles sound reasonable. Re: the seemingly absurd amount of pool noodles that fit in the specified weight, I bet it becomes a whole lot more reasonable if you swap some of it out with plywood ;).
They want us to prepare to transport that long box. From making Mc Master Carr runs in a 4 door sedan for ~5ft long square and rectangle tube, I know there are 0 ways to transport something that long that fully keep it within the car and that allow the passenger to be comfortable.

Taylor 10-12-2014 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jman4747 (Post 1412745)
To the point of bumper materials, why supply everyone with something most of us have already bought and paid for? Why not tell us we are getting bumper fabric and noodles ahead of time so we don't spend the money? The whole point is so we don't spend it anyway.
Something I've noticed is we didn't get the usual "hey you guys should buy pool noodles" blog that we generally see around August.

MrForbes 10-12-2014 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1412704)
.....why on earth are you going to send teams home with something that cumbersome in a compact car unless you HAVE to?
Compact car? I'm driving my old Suburban....

We've gone back to flags for identifying alliances, and the new flag pole is 60" long...

D.Allred 10-12-2014 11:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scca229 (Post 1412748)
Wouldn't the batteries then be included in the items A and E weights (look like the black and green tote sizes from memory) since they are normally inside the totes and be part of the "collectively" statement? The sizes are right for batteries but didn't one of the extra motors boxes come outside the black tote last year?
Last year batteries were included in the totes. This year we're getting boxes, not totes.
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...4-kit-of-parts

cgmv123 10-12-2014 11:51
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scca229 (Post 1412748)
Wouldn't the batteries then be included in the items A and E weights (look like the black and green tote sizes from memory) since they are normally inside the totes and be part of the "collectively" statement? The sizes are right for batteries but didn't one of the extra motors boxes come outside the black tote last year?
Sizes match; weights match. Everyone gets one battery; rookies get an additional one. What other item fits that description?

Yes, batteries were in the totes last year, but they've been separate from the totes in years past as well.

Mr V 10-12-2014 12:05
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In recent years Rookie teams have received bumper fabric in their KOP, it was folded and placed in the Rookie tote. IIRC the extra battery that rookies received last year was not included in their Rookie tote.

So I'm pretty certain that the 60" long box is not bumper fabric, yes when manufactured it is placed on a roll or bolt but we only need a relatively small amount so once they cut it to size it is easy to fold it up.

I'm also pretty certain that the 14lb items are batteries.

Everett33 10-12-2014 12:06
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"We抮e in full swing"

We are going to play Baseball!

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 12:07
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr V (Post 1412765)
In recent years Rookie teams have received bumper fabric in their KOP, it was folded and placed in the Rookie tote. IIRC the extra battery that rookies received last year was not included in their Rookie tote.

So I'm pretty certain that the 60" long box is not bumper fabric, yes when manufactured it is placed on a roll or bolt but we only need a relatively small amount so once they cut it to size it is easy to fold it up.

I'm also pretty certain that the 14lb items are batteries.
I agree with this. While it is definitely possible that is is bumper fabric, I find it highly unlikely that they would put the fabric in rolls and not just fold it up. And if the were rolling it it seems like it would make much more sense to roll it the other direction.

Joey1939 10-12-2014 12:08
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
On AndyMark you can by rolls of bumper material that are 19.5in rolls.
60/19.5 is approximately 3.
3 Alliances confirmed.

Thad House 10-12-2014 12:08
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Here are my guesses

A: Standard KOP bin, including motors and basically anything else standard
B: Batteries x2
C: RoboRIO and RoboRIO Parts
D: No clue at all

E: Rookie tote, including joysticks, camera and driver station laptop
F: Batteries x2

G: KOP Drive Base

Man D is killing me.

Boe 10-12-2014 12:11
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey1939 (Post 1412768)
On AndyMark you can by rolls of bumper material that are 19.5in rolls.
60/19.5 is approximately 3.
3 Alliances confirmed.
That could make sense, I still feel like it would be an odd shaped box for 3 rolls, does anyone know what the diameter of one of these rolls is?

Andrew Lawrence 10-12-2014 12:17
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
You know what fits in 3x3x60? Small footballs and deflated inner tubes. ;)

Deke 10-12-2014 12:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Didn't they have to stack long rods in ftc or fll in the past? That was what i thought we were going to do in 2014.

Other theories, mini football goal posts.

12' tiny mini bot pole.

Thad House 10-12-2014 12:19
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What if D is a tube of regolith? :ahh:

piersklein 10-12-2014 12:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
If there were multiple objects less than 60" in length, then why would First not just package in a more square box (so much cheaper). My thought is that whatever is in the box is packaged like metal rods

BrendanB 10-12-2014 12:27
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by piersklein (Post 1412775)
If there were multiple objects less than 60" in length, then why would First not just package in a more square box (so much cheaper). My thought is that whatever is in the box is packaged like metal rods
Because if there is one thing they know well it is that they can release pointless information and people in the community will go crazy. ;)

FrankJ 10-12-2014 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1412772)
You know what fits in 3x3x60? Small footballs and deflated inner tubes. ;)
It could be the new frame perimeter. :eek:

billbo911 10-12-2014 13:04
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1412774)
What if D is a tube of regolith? :ahh:
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1412780)
It could be the new frame perimeter. :eek:
As I said...

See, it's a Hockey Goal. We're playing on Regolith again!!!

Aka, Frozen Water Game!

jagoldman 10-12-2014 13:08
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Quote:
We recommend you leave the Vespa at home.
What about the vespa comment?

Jon K. 10-12-2014 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1412756)
Something I've noticed is we didn't get the usual "hey you guys should buy pool noodles" blog that we generally see around August.

Instead they gave this post:
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...g-New-for-2015

Particularly
Quote:
No one should look at any rules from prior years and think “They would never change that”, because we may. Number of teams on an alliance, number of alliances in a match, match length, bumper rules, field surfaces, robot size, every element from prior year games is carefully considered anew every year.

Bryce2471 10-12-2014 13:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1412772)
You know what fits in 3x3x60?
A mini bot pole made out of regolith!!! ;D

MrTechCenter 10-12-2014 13:19
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jagoldman (Post 1412782)
What about the vespa comment?
It's probably saying that the one box is 5ft long so you won't be able to transport it on something small, like a Vespa.

Pretzel 10-12-2014 13:30
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When you purchase a new set of irons (for golf), they are shipped in a box that measures approximately 4"x4"x60", but this is designed to carry a full set of eight golf clubs.

An individually packaged iron will weigh about 3 pounds when it's ready to ship, with each iron weighing between one and two pounds. This means that about 3-4 golf clubs could fit in the box's weight limit. From heel to toe, with the shaft oriented vertically, a golf club measures less than the ~4.25 inches of space (measured diagonally) in the 3"x3" square. A golf club is also easily fits within the 60" of length given by such a box (with room to vertically stagger clubs and add soft packing material, as the major golf manufacturers do when shipping clubs in their 60" boxes). This means that it's entirely possible for the box to contain three golf clubs with it's specified dimensions and given weight.

Are you ready to don your plaid knickers and driving cap?

Derpancakes 10-12-2014 13:32
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It is interesting that the blog says 'One SET of items' in the 3x3x60. It's definitely not one item, and I'd bet strongly against any sort of metal due to the weight.

Thad House 10-12-2014 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1412784)
A mini bot pole made out of regolith!!! ;D
Can we add a DOGMA penalty for every time the wheels slip?

Justin Montois 10-12-2014 13:39
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I can't really think of anything that seems to make sense....if it's a game piece.

Lets say there are 20, 3x3x3 boxes. Something that small will probably not be a game piece as I believe they are too small to appeal visually to the audience. Also, if it is one long object, I don't see what it could be that it wouldn't be more cost effective for a team just to buy or make themselves or at least duplicate out of something like PVC.

As with most "hint" related things we're probably over-thinking it. It's probably just pool noodles. Heavy ones....

BBray_T1296 10-12-2014 13:40
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1412790)
Can we add a DOGMA penalty for every time the wheels slip?
no, just a 50 point tech foul :rolleyes:

Bryce2471 10-12-2014 13:40
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Quote:
A) One set of items, collectively, 27 in. x 17 in. x 17 in., 60 lbs.

E) One item, 27 in. x 17 in. x 13 in., 26 lbs.
It's a pretty safe bet to say that item A is probably the standard tote. It is listed as a set of items, where as item E is listed as a single item. Just food for thought.

Jon Stratis 10-12-2014 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412752)
Because this blog post was named Kit "Hints" and FIRST likes to watch CD squirm...

The noodles seems reasonable, but the 29" seems shorter than you actually want your noodles.
Keep in mind that a perfectly square robot meeting last year's frame perimeter measurement was 28" on a side, which makes 29" possible. You can also stick two noodles end to end if you need to in a bumper... I know we've done it before, and it gives the same end results when wrapped up - same protection, and looks just as good.

notmattlythgoe 10-12-2014 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1412794)
Keep in mind that a perfectly square robot meeting last year's frame perimeter measurement was 28" on a side, which makes 29" possible. You can also stick two noodles end to end if you need to in a bumper... I know we've done it before, and it gives the same end results when wrapped up - same protection, and looks just as good.
Good point on the end to end option. 29" is still too short for a 28x28 robot, you need the overhang for the corners, it is definitely possible though. Although it seems strange that they would cut them down to that length for us...

indubitably 10-12-2014 13:48
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jagoldman (Post 1412782)
What about the vespa comment?
The blog itself, other than the title, is just a message from the KOP team, so I don't think reading into the language will help much.

Foster 10-12-2014 13:56
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I'm going to suggest that the 3" * 3" by 60" is a life size poster of JVN, with a stand. As you may recall from a RobotWranglers video that they had a cutout of JVN that they just placed in a room with the Roboteers. In an instant they went from goofing off to super buzzy activity.

Thanks FIRST!

Bruceb 10-12-2014 13:57
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Ah Lunacy had special wheels.

Bob Steele 10-12-2014 14:01
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Ahhh "we are in full swing"
3X3X60 box.....

gotta be a light saber. (maybe two)

holygrail 10-12-2014 14:04
Re: [FRC Blog] Kit Hints?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey1939 (Post 1412768)
On AndyMark you can by rolls of bumper material that are 19.5in rolls.
60/19.5 is approximately 3.
3 Alliances confirmed.
Why wouldn't they just stack the rolls of bumper fabric side by side instead of end to end? I don't think it is bumper fabric because they would have to give us a red and blue roll (at least) and they would still probably just stack those next to each other.

Can't be pool noodles. That box is the size of 1 pool noodle and those are way less than 6 lbs.

It doesn't make sense to put objects end to end in a super skinny box. It only makes sense if the object itself is 60 inches long and can't be folded, collapsed, or bent. My guess is some kind of pipe that is used to construct a game element or goal. Who knows, maybe giant tetrahedrons or something?

Kevin Pardus 10-12-2014 14:06
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1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1412795)
Good point on the end to end option. 29" is still too short for a 28x28 robot, you need the overhang for the corners, it is definitely possible though. Although it seems strange that they would cut them down to that length for us...
Connecting two pool noodles together to make longer pieces is just one way to fill in the open spaces for the bumper corners. From the 2014 Game Manual, Figure 4-9: Soft Parts of BUMPER Corners
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