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Nathan Streeter 12-12-2014 09:32

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi (Post 1413481)
Unless they have changed the rule, any district team winning a slot to Championships at a Regional will remove a slot from that district's allocation.

You understand the way it works, but I'm sure some people are still unsure and could misinterpret the way you said it...

If a New England team competes at an outside regional and qualifies for the World CMP from that event, they earn a slot. New England will still send the exact same number of teams (if you include this example team), all that happened was that example New England team guaranteed that they were in one of the slots.

dellagd 12-12-2014 09:43

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi (Post 1413481)
Unless they have changed the rule, any district team winning a slot to Championships at a Regional will remove a slot from that district's allocation.

I hope they did change it. What's the motivation for that anyway?

BrendanB 12-12-2014 09:48

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1413491)
I hope they did change it. What's the motivation for that anyway?

Its to keep the number of slots a district sends consistent. Say for instance 20 district teams from New England sign up and compete at a regional and 10 of them earn a slot for the championship. Regardless of where those NE teams earned slots we are only sending 32-35 teams to the championship not 42-45 because 10 teams earned slots at regionals.

Those 10 NE teams in my example would still qualify for the Championship but it goes against the number of slots allotted to our district.

dellagd 12-12-2014 09:53

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1413496)
Its to keep the number of slots a district sends consistent. Say for instance 20 district teams from New England sign up and compete at a regional and 10 of them earn a slot for the championship. Regardless of where those NE teams earned slots we are only sending 32-35 teams to the championship not 42-45 because 10 teams earned slots at regionals.

Those 10 NE teams in my example would still qualify for the Championship but it goes against the number of slots allotted to our district.

But if a team were to win a spot in, say, Pittsburg and they were in the NE District system, the Pittsburg crowd would essentially lose a slot. Where does it go, to the waitlist?

BrendanB 12-12-2014 10:00

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1413497)
But if a team were to win a spot in, say, Pittsburg and they were in the NE District system, the Pittsburg crowd would essentially lose a slot. Where does it go, to the waitlist?

You are correct Pittsburg does lose a slot which is the unfortunate scenario.

I'm not sure exactly where the slot goes between the waitlist and IIRC in the past there were more slots handed out between regionals & districts than there were spaces at the Championship however every year there are many teams who can't attend which sends a slot to the waitlist or eliminates it although I'm not entirely sure how it all works.

Lil' Lavery 12-12-2014 10:04

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1413488)
I crunched some quick numbers and counted 56* listed regional events. Let's say at each regional, the six qualifiers (3 champs, RAS, RCA, EI) are all unique teams. 56*6=336 teams qualifying through Regionals.
The total of the District teams (using capacity 600) is 169.
There are 30 pre-qualified teams.
336+169+30= 535 total teams qualifying by merit.
That leaves 65 waitlist spaces. Nearly eleven percent of the CMP teams will be there because of waitlist?** That seems odd to me, and very high compared to last year (I seem to recall single-digit waitlist slots).
Did I forget something?

*I may have miscounted, but the fudge factor wouldn't be substantial.
**possibly even higher if events can't fill wildcard slots

65 spots is certainly much higher than they've pulled from the waitlist in the past couple years, but lower than they did for a long time at Championship. Open registration for Championship used to be a thing.

dellagd 12-12-2014 10:10

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
Along these same lines, if the Michigan Championship stays the same size as last year, won't the District CMP for them almost be a formality on the way to Worlds? With possibly 68 slots, and 64 teams there, even accounting for awards of people that don't attend, thats pretty good odds.

Christopher149 12-12-2014 10:19

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1413500)
Along these same lines, if the Michigan Championship stays the same size as last year, won't the District CMP for them almost be a formality on the way to Worlds? With possibly 68 slots, and 64 teams there, even accounting for awards of people that don't attend, thats pretty good odds.

Well, MSC moved to a different venue for this year (in Grand Rapids), which I can only assume means they plan to have more than 64 teams attend.

MamaSpoldi 12-12-2014 10:27

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1413491)
I hope they did change it. What's the motivation for that anyway?

I asked this question on the Blog post and here is Frank's answer. I think he explains it very well. It seems like a fair approach especially while there is a mixture of Districts and Regionals.

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District Slot Totals

Submitted by Frank Merrick on Fri, 12/12/2014 - 09:56.
Districts are able to send their allocated total, regardless of whether those teams earned those slots in the District or outside the District. Districts may add to this total by having pre-qualified teams or having teams selected from the waitlist. Allowing a District to not consider slots earned at Regionals in their allocations would lead to over-representation of teams from the District at Championship, and cause fairness concerns from a non-District team perspective, as non-District teams are not able in any way to earn those guaranteed in-District Championship slots.

The_ShamWOW88 12-12-2014 10:38

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
I think this is just going to motivate more regions to go Districts.

nikeairmancurry 12-12-2014 12:01

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1413500)
Along these same lines, if the Michigan Championship stays the same size as last year, won't the District CMP for them almost be a formality on the way to Worlds? With possibly 68 slots, and 64 teams there, even accounting for awards of people that don't attend, thats pretty good odds.

Short answer: MSC Championship will be 100+ teams this year. It has been talked about for the past couple of season to expand because of the states growth. The move to Grand Rapids venue only proves this since the space allowed there is much greater than what was available at Eastern.

Long Answer: Wait for the FiM announcement... It should be soon..

Lil' Lavery 12-12-2014 12:43

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
Why is your long answer shorter than your short answer? ;)

nikeairmancurry 12-12-2014 13:00

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1413549)
Why is your long answer shorter than your short answer? ;)

Because the long answer might really be long when it does come out lol.

Bob Steele 12-12-2014 13:24

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by The_ShamWOW88 (Post 1413512)
I think this is just going to motivate more regions to go Districts.

you think? I do too..

Drakxii 12-12-2014 13:25

Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship
 
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Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi (Post 1413510)
I asked this question on the Blog post and here is Frank's answer. I think he explains it very well. It seems like a fair approach especially while there is a mixture of Districts and Regionals.

For the Michigan district I would agree with Frank but for the other districts(specially the Indiana District) this ruling just brings it back to the regional system where having a season of sustain success might not be enough, because a lower ranked team in your district could go to a regional and have one good weekend which would knock a deserving team out of champs.

I think a better system would be to allow a district team to play in a regional but they only make wildcards. If a team is good enough to win a regional they should be able to make enough points to win a slot for CMPs in their districts, if not they won't steal a slot from a team utilizing the district rules.


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