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Dan Richardson 20-12-2014 22:21

DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
The folks at iR3 Creative Engineering are excited to announce a new line of products called DART Linear Actuators, linear actuators developed specifically around the CIM motor.

DART Linear Actuators were optimized to be used by FIRST robotics Teams. The DART's packaging offers 3 gear ratios, 1:1, 2:1 and 2.5:1 and comes in 2 stroke lengths 6" and 12". The DART actuators utilize a precision lead screw assembly which can offer position control over it's range of motion, something that FRC pneumatic systems struggle to achieve. The DART Actuators are both strong AND fast providing forces greater than 200lbs or speeds over 12 in/s.

The DART Linear Actuators will be distributed by AndyMark.com and will be available in time for the 2015 build season! We will be updating the website with more information in the coming weeks and we're hoping that this new product will help FRC teams in the seasons to come.

For more information, videos and CAD files please visit: DARTActuators.com

Or if you just want to skip to our announcement video click here: http://youtu.be/bh2c5Aqmqc0

BBray_T1296 20-12-2014 22:31

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Revolutionary.

I can see these used all over the place even with smaller motors using a CIMile or versaPlanetary.

A great COTS linear actuator for us to use.

Oblarg 20-12-2014 22:34

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Wow! This looks like it could be really useful. Will definitely keep this in mind when brainstorming this year.

Jon Stratis 20-12-2014 22:43

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
That looks pretty awesome.

One question though... will the actuator backdrive? Using the arm in the video as an example, when you put the arm up, can you just turn off the motor off and the arm will stay in position, or do you need to power the motor to some amount to keep it there?

I think I know the answer, but want to make sure as it's not specified in the video or website :)

Dan Richardson 20-12-2014 23:11

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1415545)
That looks pretty awesome.

One question though... will the actuator backdrive? Using the arm in the video as an example, when you put the arm up, can you just turn off the motor off and the arm will stay in position, or do you need to power the motor to some amount to keep it there?

I think I know the answer, but want to make sure as it's not specified in the video or website :)

Generally, we did not see back-drive with the actuators during testing. Technically, because the screw offers greater than 50% efficiency it is not considered self locking and may back-drive especially under high load and high vibration. That said, the additional resistance of the the motor and gear system limits the screw from back-driving.

During our testing the screw did not back-drive under the calculated loads and in many different configurations including the arm in the video.

marccenter 20-12-2014 23:50

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Dear iR3,

Is there a range of prices that you anticipate the DART linear actuator will fall in?

Munchskull 20-12-2014 23:53

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
When will teams be able to get their hand on them?

nuclearnerd 21-12-2014 00:11

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
!

Depending on the game, I was planning on making an adapter to join one of these actuators with an FRC legal motor. Depending on your price, you may save us a lot of engineering.
http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...or/A-p8272551e

dradel 21-12-2014 10:37

Team 4557 used linear actuators two years ago (our rookie year) we swapped the motors for legal motors, but these would have saved some hair pulling

Tom Line 21-12-2014 11:55

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Do you anticipate having enough product to support teams if this game lends itself to your actutator?

wyrzykowskij1 21-12-2014 15:44

These look cool! How much money do you plan to sell these for?

mrnoble 21-12-2014 15:52

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
I am very interested. I'll be watching AndyMark to see these for sale.

Dan Richardson 21-12-2014 15:53

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 1415615)
Do you anticipate having enough product to support teams if this game lends itself to your actutator?

We will certainly do our best to meet market demand. AndyMark will have a sizable inventory to start the season and we will have many of the components on hand if demand is higher than expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuclearnerd (Post 1415562)
!

Depending on the game, I was planning on making an adapter to join one of these actuators with an FRC legal motor. Depending on your price, you may save us a lot of engineering.
http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...or/A-p8272551e

We agree! This is actually one of the places we started. We looked at the actuator you linked along with larger alternatives like this one which is built to handle a more comparable motor power density to the CIM.

For reasons of weight, speed, packaging, etc. we decided we needed a ground up solution for FRC. We wanted to target a faster, lighter assembly for these applications. In our research, we found that one of the common complaints in regards to linear actuators is that they are slow and we wanted to break that mold with this product.

We wanted to land on something that could provide the force of a 2" bore pneumatic actuator at 60 psi AND still have enough speed to allow bots to be competitive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marccenter (Post 1415557)
Dear iR3,

Is there a range of prices that you anticipate the DART linear actuator will fall in?

The DART Linear Actuators will be introduced at around $380.

Chris is me 21-12-2014 16:40

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
This is the closest thing FRC has ever had to a single piece, COTS solution for controlling a long robot arm. This is a huge development and a really cool product. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of these on a 2791 robot next season!

cbale2000 21-12-2014 16:51

Re: DART Linear Actuators for the CIM Motor
 
How much does it weigh without the CIM motor?


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