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"Change Is Coming" Discussion thread
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2015 HINT DISCUSSION
Hint here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAET...ature=youtu.be
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Change is coming - 2015 Game Hint
So, opinions on the official release of the 2015 game hint?
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You know: Pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters absolutely frighten me.
You see, I am afraid of change...:rolleyes: :p |
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Recycling of the changes present in all the mentioned years?
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They are recycling something... and the water cycle recycles water... water game confirmed?
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Recycling game pieces? Adding a 3rd alliance?
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The timestamps are important.
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Alright, let me see if I can follow the clues...
Change is coming is a riff off of Winter is coming from Game of Thrones... Winter is the 4th season of the year... Water freezes in the winter... Water game confirmed? |
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What did you think?
What does throwing away the manual mean? Not all years were in there... Thoughts? |
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Well, I know some people think the recycling thing will involve reusing old game pieces/ mechanics but I just feel like that would give new teams a real disadvantage.
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2002 Stack Attack + 2009 Lunacy = 2015 Game Confirmed
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Recycling the 2014 game:
adding endgame some other major change |
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Can anyone list all the years that they made changes and what they are? that might help if there is a pattern.
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the return of the end game
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Water game
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Video is up on FRC's YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAET...ature=youtu.be
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All the years were covered, just lag was bad enough that a few appeared to get skipped.
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Also, next years FLL game has to do with recycling......pattern? I would think so.
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Change is coming
change coins circles hockey pucks ice water WATER GAME CONFIRMED!!! He recycles the 2014 Manual recycling blue water WATER GAME DOUBLY CONFIRMED!!! Change is coming 16 letters FIRST 5 letters 5*2=10 16-10=6 6 upside down looks like 9 Water Game has 9 letters WATER GAME TRIPLY CONFIRMED!!! |
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I can't tell if water or pizza. But pizza = triangle = Illuminati confirmed.
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alot of dumping into biins
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two different gamepieces....
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So, "Change is coming" prefaced by a list of games, their major rules changes to basic elements of how the games work, most of which occurred in odd years. So the field is changing shape, composition, or dimensions, or something else.
I don't see how this is substantially more information than when Frank mentioned earlier in the year to take nothing for granted, that anything might change. If the recycling bin is relevant, it might be saying "We're bringing something old back, that we've long-since changed". Perhaps the 3v3 model is changing? That could relate to the way Einstein is being run, since the footage seemed to be all from Einstein. |
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They literally recycled the 2014 game manual in the video lol |
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Frank is standing on an FRC field when he recycles the manual
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I added the intervals and got 19. The number 19 has been retired the most in the NHL
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It looks to me like frank flipped 2 pages. That means he was on the page with assists and cycles. Add in the fact that he threw it into a recycling bin, and it seems like we might be looking at how cycles are done changing.
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1993: robots increase in size and go wireless
1996: robot weight increases 1999: robot alliances begin 2001: robots race against the clock 2003: autonomous mode introduced 2005: 3 vs. 3 introduced 2009: primary field surface isn't carpet for the first time since 1992 2013: field perimeter changes Those are all the changes listed in the video |
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Is there something not part of the field walls in the very bottom right part of the frame at the very end?
I'm also curious if recycling might have something to do with more relaxed rules for reusing parts? |
I believe I heard that all of the footage in this video was from Einstein fields.
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A list of all FRC games with changes called out emphasizes the weird changes/twists FIRST has done in the past. This makes me think this year's game will be a unique one. Next, he claims "change is coming", then recycles the 2014 rules.
I really, really, really, really hope they aren't recycling the 2014 rules and adding some changes. It's one of my biggest fears :ahh: |
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There is a single instance of the word "recycle" in the 2014 game manual.
http://i.gyazo.com/9a10fb70557196f556276052d5dd3613.png This is in the permitted motors section. Maybe their's something to do with windows? ie. drivers don't get a window any more. That one guy on the phone that mentioned it may be on to something. |
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Not all the footage is from Einstein. The 2012 footage comes from the Archimedes finals, the 2009 footage is from something other than Einstein.
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Has anyone considered that Frank simply used a recycling bin simply because he wants to help save the environment? I think the "change" is more pertinent to the game than the recycling.
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The Greek Letter delta represents change in math, and is a triangle. A recycling symbol also is a triangle. Maybe triangular game pieces?
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He recycles the hint but says change is coming. "The more things change, the more they stay the same"?
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Recycling bins are the 2015 game piece. The bin is on the field for the hint after all. |
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Compared to Frank, the recycling bin appears to be a tall and skinny one (up to his hips), but compared to the field border, it seems quite short. I might just be seeing things though... |
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Almost every bit of the footage showed something happening at the highest height that each year shown reached for. It seems pretty straightforward on that front: we will be going high this year, probably with an elevator. Taller maximum starting configuration? High goal at 15'?
I suspect that they are serious that there will be unprecedented changes to the robots and game play this year. We won't be cruising through build season, I think. |
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The paperclip on the game manual looked somewhat triangular. 3 team alliances?
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Recycle the letters in "change is coming" and you get "mechanics going".
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Also, Frank was on the 2nd page which (as someone pointed out) is the page about assist and cycling. What if this points back to this cycle? Which would be now 3-3-2-2-4-4-2 Does this mean were looking at 2003? |
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2015 Jr FLL and FLL challenges both have to do with waste & recycling. Waste Wise and Trash Trek are the respective challenge names. Maybe the FRC game theme will follow suit.
http://juniorfirstlegoleague.org/201...challenge.html http://www.firstlegoleague.org/challenge/2015trashtrek |
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2003 would be a good game to recycle for this year. there hasn't been any manipulation games for any of the current high school FRC participants. so a manipulation game would be a big chang
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A Delta is a piece of land shaped like a triangle that is formed when a river splits into smaller rivers before it flows into an ocean. Water game confirmed?
In all seriousness I think the field will be triangular this year and will add a 3rd alliance whether it be 2v2v2 or 3v3v3 |
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I made a list of all the games showed and what were said under the year and title. Over all these are all the ones that had some type of caption to the title.
1992 Maize Craze: Inavgural Competition 1993 Rub Rage: Robots increase in size and go wireless 1996 Hexagon Havoc: Robot weight increase 1999 Double Trouble: Robot Alliances begin 2001 Diabolical Dynamics: Robots race against clock 2003 Stack Attack: Autonamous mode introduced 2005 Trupple Play: 3v3 Introduced 2009 Lunacy Primary field surface isn't carpet for first time since 1992 2013 Ultimate Ascent : Frame perimeter changes The pattern is the sizes of the robots and the alliances. |
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I'd be willing to say the field could go to a "delta" shape and have three alliances, except for the fact that the AndyMark field has been pre-approved for the 2015 game. They just can't go back on that, unless there is an alternate way to build the field (which I don't think is the case). We will stay with two alliances.
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How has no one brought up the biggest change!?! No more safety glasses needed while on the field.
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No game rules will change, but the FRC game will begin to receive "themes" like FLL does - in this case, waste and recycling.
Metahint. |
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What if by "change", he means money?
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This video is exactly 1 minute long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAET...ature=youtu.be Is match time becoming one minute? That would certainly be a change. |
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My opinion: We will see some prior game, from 1992-2014 inclusive, or some combination of such games, with changes for XvX, where X>=3, and enough changes to make it unrecognizable. Anybody wanna play 2000 with footballs and the option to shoot? |
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Many game hints are actually just name reveals. 2011 revealed "Logomotion" and last year revealed "Assists", and I think 2013 did a similar thing.
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If you listen carefully to the noise the paper makes as it hits the recycling bin it sounds like its saying.
Water game.... HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!!!! |
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People have paper balls wadded up and throw them into recycling bins and play it like basketball. 2014 rules were thrown into the basket, so assists are being recycled. 2011 didn't have the change in the video.
2012 basketball, with scoring, 2014 assists system, 2011 endgame. |
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A lot of people seem to be on the triangle hype train right now. Triangular paper clip, change being symbolized by delta, and to add to that, the interior angles of an equilateral triangle are 60 degrees, which is exactly how long the video is in seconds.
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The recycling bin could be recycling old surfaces from (hopefully not) 2009 Lunacy. Otherwise: water game confirmed. |
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Actually, touching back on my earlier point that the 2009 and 2012 clips weren't Einstein, there were some things that "Changed" that year too.
2009 was the first year for Districts in Michigan, and sure enough a clip from Michigan was shown. 2012 was the first year a team from somewhere outside the U.S. won the Chairman's Award, and sure enough 1114 was shown. |
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[quote=StAxis;1416100]A lot of people seem to be on the triangle hype train right now. /QUOTE]
Count me in that group. The name of the game will include the word "delta". |
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The song from the video is a royalty-free track called "Social Disgrace" from a stock music website called Wavtracks music:
http://www.wavtracks.com/index.php?m...ducts _id=251 |
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Okay, here is my personal breakdown of the topic from what has happened so far. I tried to sort it based on assumptions.
Hint: "Change is Coming" Assumption: Change is taken to mean "the act or instance of making or becoming different." Conclusion: Drastically different game than we've seen before. Perhaps no high goals; maybe a hockey game? This could be a multitude of things, especially due to the fact that they referenced a whole bunch of previous games.Assumption: The game has something to do with paper/bins. Conclusion: Perhaps we are scoring elements in bins, and then moving the bins? Maybe there will be goals attached to robots? Perhaps the recycling aspect will have something to do with re-scoring already scored elements.Assumption: Change is taken to mean currency or coins. Conclusion: Really small game pieces?These are just my scattered thoughts right now.. more to come later |
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Last year much grief was given to FIRST about the overuse of penalties in the game. Numerous essays were written on the subject and posted on this very forum. The biggest complaint about Aerial Assist, the 2014 game, was that the rules were too strict.
He's throwing away the game manual- perhaps the penalties are going back to a more reasonable volume. They've realized the referees can't reasonably watch for an entire book of infractions at once. |
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but most, if not all, of the clips have to do with how scoring took place in that year.
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If you rearrange the letters in "change is coming" you get mechanics going among other.
Anyway I support the triangle idea. |
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The last year where there were mobile goals not attached to robots was in 2004. Perhaps the recycling bin on the floor means there will be mobile goals.
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What are things that have stayed constant through ALL past games?
Drivebases. DRONE GAME CONFIRMED. But seriously, that consistency thing might be something worth looking into. |
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Maybe it's not change, but Chang'e, China's lunar exploration program and the name of the moon goddess. Lunacy coming back? </cringe>
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So this whole game has to with change. The people in robotics usually are nerdy kids. We are going to change them so they can have swagger like me. #Diversty
#swag #CantBeFlyLikeMe |
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If the recycling bins are game pieces I officially call dibs on making Junk Bot :)
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I would like to point out that lunacy's caption states, "Primary field surface isn't carpet for first time since 1992."
Both "Primary" and "first time since 1992" read out to me. maybe two different field surfaces. They better not be recycling the material they used for the regolith in lunacy. |
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