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The original post revealing the leak was not trying to spread a leak. The guy was from a new team, had one post, and was asking what it meant.
I've removed a few words, but here's what he said: On [website], there is one object labeled [something]. It has the same description as [something else], but just [some picture] as a picture. Have they done this in the past? Could this mean we will have [something that the leak doesn't mean]? Imagine you were this person, and all these people were arguing if you were GP or not. You probably wouldn't be feeling so great right now. Please be considerate, and don't accuse people without knowing the full story. A few unfortunate accidents were made yesterday, and we should try to move past them and get on to kickoff. |
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I just want to be clear, I am not upset with "the dude" who originally posted on CD. I am throughly disappointed in certain members of this community who then took that info and ran with by posting it on multiple social media outlets. They knew better and did it anyway.
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I have been watching this thread and while everyone has their opinion I guess I should share mine.
For those of you think it is "fair game" to spread confidential information once it is public, I say this: I will never, ever consider hiring you to work for me. Ever. No apology, explanation, or other rhetoric will change my mind. You can't be trusted with confidential information. It is really sad that some posters think the prolific spread of confidential FRC info is ok. Paul |
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The moderators are excellent people that everyone should be happy are affiliated with these forums. FIRST is correct in taking game leaks and censorship very seriously.
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As someone who acted on the information, please let me share my side. At the time, there was no indication that the information was not supposed to be out in public. To be honest, I stumbled across the same link, prior to the first post appearing on CD, while trying to get to some FTC info. Like any other thread that even vaguely looks like a hint, it took off like wildfire. At this point sharing any thoughts and vantage points is the norm.
Then, as soon as the thread was deleted, my entire thought process changed. Maybe this wasn't supposed to be known. Was this an accident? What am I supposed to do? I really felt (and still do) bad about the decision I made, but I could not undo what had been done. What hurt the most is seeing the picture I made pop up on other websites - after it was deleted from CD. Looking back and knowing what I know now, I guess it is pretty obvious that the info should not have been shared on CD (which ultimately led to it being shared elsewhere). I know that there is nothing that I can really say to fix this, but I still want to apologize for my actions. |
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If some other team gets an advantage over mine because they saw something 3 days earlier than my team did, then so be it. There's nothing I can do about that. I prefer the 'OH, my!!! :ahh: ' moment during kickoff to knowing beforehand. |
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MetaKickoff.
I have been waiting with baited breath on New Years eve for the past 18 years in anticipation of the FRC game release the following Saturday. BITD, there was no stinkin' Game Hint! (We didn't use acronyms or emoticons either) ;) Then came the NASA broadcasts from New Hampshire, and we had to make sure that the receiving dish on top of our Town Hall was aimed at the right satellite. Dean, Woody and others would pretend to be Robots on a new field, manipulating the game piece in front of an audience of teams and dignitaries. Oh, how FIRST has mirrored the changes in technology and our world. The Game release is pretty much pre-produced. And now we have our own lil' WikiLeaks. I am enjoying this discussion more than the Game Hint thread. Ethics, espionage, subterfuge, suppression! Cheers to all of the comments here. They are, for the most part, thoughtful, intelligent, and enlightening. Happy 2015. Get ready for the best "waste of time" that I can imagine! |
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This is a very apt observation, and it has more to do with the original topic than you may think. What i have seen in this thread leads me to think that there is a large portion of CD that subscribes to the "big city" perception. This perception, to some extent, seems to attribute some godlike, infallible poperties to HQ. Many people may think of FIRST as this magical overlord, a "big brother" overseeing teams around the world in the pursuit of a perfect robot. As much as we say it ironically, it seems some may take the concept of "FIRST is love FIRST is life" to the literal extreme, and to this I would like to extend a friendly "get real." We make robots, but we are not robots, and neither are the people at FIRST. None of us are perfect, and neither are the people at HQ. Somebody screwed up and that's alright; the fact that this is the first time in many years that a mistake like this has occurred is truly amazing. When we choose to support the "big city, big brother" pereption of FIRST by hiding their occasional mistakes, we lose one of the most special things about FIRST. It's a community. Every team, every student, every administrator and developer and brilliant mind in FIRST is an independent, yet connected member of this community. This connection, in many ways, is also shared between teams and the FIRST organization, and it is this bond that allows FIRST to work by fostering excitement for engineering through the inspiration that comes with being involved in such a massive, connected organization as FIRST. However, by creating an image of HQ as an Orwellian overlord we distance ourselves from the humanity of FIRST and the incredible binding force which it has created. Nevertheless, privacy of information is important. Screwing with it with malicious intent is a stupid and shameful thing to do, but the end fact is that somebody messed up and spreading of the information was bound to happen, because people do dumb things. It's been stated multiple times that the entire leak began as a mistake, followed by a misconception in the form of a CD post, followed by some innocent sharing of the mistake, followed by malicious sharing of the mistake. The fact is, people make mistakes, and other people like to take advantage of those mistakes. End of story. |
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As someone who did not see the "leak" (just some of its wreckage), and since it is now a couple weeks into build season, would it be out of line to ask what was leaked? (not trying to divert the thread from its intended topic, just curious)
If anyone feels that it shouldn't be made more public or dragged up again, I'm cool with that. Happy build season to you all. |
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Andymark listed an item for sale called "2015 game piece" and described the exact gray tote. No picture of the tote was posted though. Somebody looking on Andymark's website saw this product listing, took a screen shot of it, and posted it to chief delphi. It's now floating around the internet on sites like imgur and reddit. |
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Probably this thread (after it digressed from original question) helped in spreading the "leak" rather than curtailing it. When the discussion turned into "moral", "ethical" and "fairness" etc., there must have been few who were curious to go and look for the "leak" even if the intention was not malicious.
Now do I want to see what was "leaked"? May be, just to see what did I miss on CD that others saw it as leak? Or may be not, why would I care? |
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So I have to say that had I seen it on the AndyMark site I would have gone "Totes as a game piece? Nope, must be the web guy putting a placeholder in for next weeks release." I mean, really, totes as a game piece?
On the other hand had it been the 5 gallon water bottles I'd been all over posting the "water game is on!!!" :rolleyes: |
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It also fit with the popular beliefs that the game piece would not be a ball and that the game would not involve projectiles. |
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Tungrus has been an active, and helpful contributor to Chief Delphi from what I have seen. I don't think attacking his/her anonymity is the right thing to do. There are plenty of anonymous accounts who contribute to the site in a positive way. Granted there are more that detract from it. However, this isn't the case here.
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Just because some anonymous posters don't live up to standards doesn't mean all don't. Some teams might ask their students not to post on chief delphi or to post anonymously because they think the potential headaches it can cause vastly outweigh the benefits of it, or it could be a personal choice to be anonymous for a number of reasons.
This isn't a comment on the quality of Tungrus' post, just a comment on anonymous users in general. |
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Here is the screenshot of the page that was posted to Reddit and later deleted:
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If moderating posts for content is seen as horribly unjust and wrong, what exactly are moderators for?
The entire premise of FRC relies on the game being a secret. Is it too much to ask that if something leaks, you discuss it somewhere else if you absolutely have to do so? I guess I just don't see how some people can feel so entitled to talk about whatever they want in spaces that aren't their own. Especially information that's supposed to be secret / confidential, on a forum that is all but the "official" place to talk about FRC on the internet. Go be mad about something else actually worth your time, seriously. And for those of you who both saw the leaked information and also began acting on it (working on prototype design, etc...). You cheated. You should be ashamed of yourselves. That's not Gracious Professionalism and that's not what fair competitors with integrity would do. |
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That's like a pretty huge hint actually. It would be a small step from there to assume that we're stacking them.
Acting on that would be pretty unfair IMO. |
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