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alexander.h

31-12-2014 17:22

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

Just to resume a bit of what was said :

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Originally Posted by George1902 (Post 1418401)

Should we crack it?

No.

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Originally Posted by yersinia (Post 1418407)

Is attempting to crack the encryption on the game manual pdf that different from trying to figure out the hint?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by magnets (Post 1418423)

I don't like this thread. It's silly, as you won't be able to crack the manual password, but makes us look like a bunch of goons because we're trying to crack it.

Couldn't have said it better myself :D

And just to put in a word, let's give a break to yersinia. Just his/her first thread and already in the red and negative feedback ... OK, maybe this wasn't the best topic to discuss, considering the FIRST ethics behind this, but I think most of us understand that this is impossible in the given time, but even if we had enough time to make it possible, sure, there would be people who wouldn't mind and go ahead decrypting ... but the message people are trying to send here is that it's clearly wrong. I agree with this message, but I am also trying to say that yersinia, being a totally new member to CD, just started off on the wrong foot and we shouldn't push him/her down because of a "thoughtless" thread.

Instead of pushing yersinia down even more, I'll be the first one to say :
Welcome to Chief Delphi! (but no more thoughtless threads please! :D)

By, the way,

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1418418)

I posted the key on CD, but they deleted it. Oh well :yikes:

I hope that was a joke, Frank :D ... right? :ahh:

JosephC

31-12-2014 17:48

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

You obviously already believe cracking the manual is wrong, otherwise you wouldn't have made a new account to post this thread. If you believe so strongly that we should be trying to crack it, I suggest using your real account.

alephzer0

31-12-2014 18:25

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

As everyone else has said, it would be a bad idea to crack it. But even if you tried, it wouldn't be finished before kickoff anyway. It's so pointless it's funny.
Although it may be a fun little thing to try, because it won't finish by kickoff. If by some miracle it does, pm me with the password;)
Ok, in all seriousness I think everyone here is making a good point. So yeah.

EricH

31-12-2014 20:00

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

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Originally Posted by mega900997 (Post 1418531)

Guess I should've read more carefully, I thought this was for cracking it after the password was released.

After the password is released, I'm all for cracking it...

...Cracking it open and reading the whole thing. ::rtm::

But before the password is released, I got one thing to say: Locks ain't for pickin'. They're there to tell you not to open whatever is locked.

mhaeberli

31-12-2014 20:12

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

Because - not GP. Still, it may be theoretically possible using some commercial tools.

asid61

31-12-2014 20:29

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Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1418568)

Quick note-
the OP believes that CD will think cracking the manual is wrong. The OP may or may not share that opinion.

Whippet

31-12-2014 20:59

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

I hate to be "that guy," but I would like to remind everyone that we all agreed to this when we signed up:

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Originally Posted by Chief Delphi Rules Page

By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, racist, hateful, threatening, or otherwise in violation of any laws or school rules. THIS INCLUDES THE DISCUSSION OF WAREZ, FILE-SHARING PROGRAMS, CRACKING, AND ANY OTHER WAY OF STEALING SOFTWARE OR ANY OTHER COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. You also agree not to post the same message in multiple forums, or use the forums as a real-time chat, continuing a 2-3 person conversation on for numerous posts in a short period of time.

I do seem to recall threads like this being deleted in the past because of this rule.

fb39ca4

31-12-2014 21:52

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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1418636)

I hate to be "that guy," but I would like to remind everyone that we all agreed to this when we signed up:

I do seem to recall threads like this being deleted in the past because of this rule.

Cracking in that context refers to circumventing DRM on software, by means of a patch, usually bypassing license key verification.

philso

01-01-2015 12:17

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Originally Posted by magnets (Post 1418423)

I don't like this thread. It's silly, as you won't be able to crack the manual password, but makes us look like a bunch of goons because we're trying to crack it.

Kickoff is Saturday. We should take these last few days to relax, see our family, and get ahead with our work. I am sure that there will be plenty of technical challenges to deal with this year.

EDIT: 666th post!

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Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1418429)

It's a little sad to see that some people would try to crack the game manual before the release. I've always wanted to try after kickoff just to see how long it would take. That is more an experiment of the encryption.

My impression is that most of us are here for the FIRST ROBOTICS Competition, not the FIRST Hackers Competion or the FIRST Code-Breaking Competition.

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Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1418568)

So far, all four of yersinia's posts have been related to why it might be a good idea to crack the Game Manual encryption. A search for the term "yersinia" yielded this www.yersinia.net.

alexander.h

01-01-2015 12:34

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Originally Posted by philso (Post 1418773)

A search for the term "yersinia" yielded this www.yersinia.net.

What a coincidence ...

asid61

01-01-2015 16:10

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Originally Posted by philso (Post 1418773)

My impression is that most of us are here for the FIRST ROBOTICS Competition, not the FIRST Hackers Competion or the FIRST Code-Breaking Competition.

But some of us have lives and interests outside of FIRST...

...but I'm not one of those people.

Basel A

01-01-2015 16:57

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Originally Posted by philso (Post 1418773)

My impression is that most of us are here for the FIRST ROBOTICS Competition, not the FIRST Hackers Competion or the FIRST Code-Breaking Competition.

Most of us may be here for the FIRST Robotics Competition, but a lot of us are here for the FIRST Imagery Competition too, and for the FIRST Entrepreneurship Competition, and for the FIRST Culture Change Competition. Not sure how many are here for the FIRST Hacking Competition, but that's no reason to discourage them. I'd strongly encourage any student interested in security or encryption to give the manual their best shot, just at the right time (after kickoff, or use an old manual).

sanddrag

01-01-2015 17:42

Re: Encrypted Game Manual - Could we crack it?

Maybe the OP should consider this competition http://www.uscyberpatriot.org

RoundTabler

01-01-2015 18:36

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I agree with BaselA. Cracking the game manual at the current time would be dishonest, poor sportsmanship, and just plain bad. However, there is NO need to be bashing the OP for a question that I, personally, find very interesting. Saying we SHOULD crack the manual is different from asking if we COULD, which is my understanding of what the OP was asking. Lets keep it civil guys.

alextac98

01-01-2015 19:54

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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1418412)

Absolutely. Figuring out the hint is encouraged. Cracking the manual is just plain wrong.

From a technical perspective, I find threads like this interesting. I like discussions about how much computing horsepower is neneded for certain tasks, and how long they will take.

But from an ethical and moral perspective, we should not ever attempt to crack something of value that we do not own rights to.

What you should do is encrypt your own file, and then try to crack that.

If cracking the manual is so wrong, then why are they giving us the exact type of encryption? In my opinion, game developers want us to expand our skill set. After all, that's what FIRST is all about, right?

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