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BryceKarlins 03-01-2015 12:37
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
I couldn't find anything in the rules (haven't read entire thing tho), can we open the totes and stack them inside of each other?

cgmv123 03-01-2015 12:39
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryceKarlins (Post 1419724)
I couldn't find anything in the rules (haven't read entire thing tho), can we open the totes and stack them inside of each other?
G16 Blue Box, Item C.

ATannahill 03-01-2015 12:40
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 216Robochick288 (Post 1419715)
Grey totes aside, lets look at the gold ones. lets have 0 be a golden tote and ___ be the ground. Ill give you the situations I see happening.



___0___0___0____ =?


.....0
___0________0___=?


...0
...0
__0________=?

How many points would each situation be worth in auton? Would it be 6 (2 points each) on the first, or 18 points, 6 per.

Would the second be worth 20+6 (one stack one alone)? 20+2(this would be if scoring totes alone in auton are only worth 2)?

Would the last only be worth 20? It seems like quite a feat to get 3 stacked in auton. Im sure we will see it, but it seems insignificant if you look at what you can score after Teleop starts.
Assuming this is in the auto zone, they would be worth 6, 6, 20.

Please read page 19 of the manual.

216Robochick288 03-01-2015 12:40
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryceKarlins (Post 1419724)
I couldn't find anything in the rules (haven't read entire thing tho), can we open the totes and stack them inside of each other?

They are intended to be closed- THey are zip tied shut.

rjmah 03-01-2015 12:42
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
I originally thought the coopertition points were a red herring since they won't really affect ranking since averages are calculated to 2 decimal places but the high value of the stacked totes probably means each alliance should try to put two yellow totes on the step once it is clear of grey ones. Assumes another robot will complete the stack of 4.

Skyehawk 03-01-2015 12:43
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
You're forgetting a situation:

......0
___0 0________ = ? (I believe this is a void configuration resulting in 6pts,
however there was not an example given to this
situation in the manual.)

anyways here is how I see the scoring of the yellow totes alone in their respective situations (assuming they are compleatly contained by the auto zones):


___0___0___0____ = 6pts


.....0
___0________0___= 6pts


...0
...0
__0________= 20pts (possibly 26, depending is a stack and a set can
simultaneously exist)

ATannahill 03-01-2015 12:50
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
A similar situation is called out at the bottom of page 19. They are not in a single column and do not meet point A of being a stack.

216Robochick288 03-01-2015 12:59
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyehawk (Post 1419732)
You're forgetting a situation:

......0
___0 0________ = ? (I believe this is a void configuration resulting in 6pts,
however there was not an example given to this
situation in the manual.)

Okay, so that is considered a TOTE SET, which is defined by 3 golden totes in the auton area.

The CONTAINER SET is the tall recycling bins, NOT the totes. 3 of the large bins in the scoring area count for 8 points.

A STACKED TOTE SET are all 3 golden totes stacked on top of each other as per figure 3-1 , or 3.1.2.1 in the rules.

It appears, though I may be wrong, that 2 totes or two bins dont count?

Skyehawk 03-01-2015 13:06
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1419698)
I agree with your max, but you only get points for sets, so you need all yellow totes in the auto zone to get 6 points, you cannot get 4 points for only having two of them. The recycling containers only needs one to have a set.
I was inferring that all the yellow totes available at the start of the match need to be fully constrained by the auto zone in order to be considered a set.

A container set on the other hand does need to have three present in the auto zone in order to be counted (definition of container set, rule 3.1.2.1)

ATannahill 03-01-2015 13:09
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
The rule you quoted is right, but if you look closely they use the word any, not all when defining the container set.

normaldude8825 03-01-2015 13:16
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
I wish to confirm I am interpreting the following rule correctly:
LITTER Scored in/on RECYCLING CONTAINER 6 per RECYCLING CONTAINER

I am understanding that we are allowed to have various Recycling Containers one next to another and have one piece of Litter lying on top of these Recycling Containers instead of inserting one Litter per Recycling Container.

BenBraun3090 03-01-2015 13:21
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 216Robochick288 (Post 1419715)
Grey totes aside, lets look at the gold ones. lets have 0 be a golden tote and ___ be the ground. Ill give you the situations I see happening.



___0___0___0____ =?


.....0
___0________0___=?


...0
...0
__0________=?

How many points would each situation be worth in auton? Would it be 6 (2 points each) on the first, or 18 points, 6 per.

Would the second be worth 20+6 (one stack one alone)? 20+2(this would be if scoring totes alone in auton are only worth 2)?

Would the last only be worth 20? It seems like quite a feat to get 3 stacked in auton. Im sure we will see it, but it seems insignificant if you look at what you can score after Teleop starts.
I will assume that all the totes are completely within the scoring zone.
Situation 1 would be worth 6 points, a Tote Set.
Situation 2 would be worth 6 points as well, still a Tote set because you need all 3 totes to be stacked to be a Stacked Tote set and worth 20 points.
Situation 3 would be worth 20 points, as it is a Stacked Tote set. This requires all of the totes to be stacked in a single stack.
See section 3.1.2.1

Skyehawk 03-01-2015 13:22
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 216Robochick288 (Post 1419749)
It appears, though I may be wrong, that 2 totes or two bins dont count?
That is correct, the points are awarded on a per set basis, not per tote.

ATannahill 03-01-2015 13:22
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by normaldude8825 (Post 1419769)
I wish to confirm I am interpreting the following rule correctly:
LITTER Scored in/on RECYCLING CONTAINER 6 per RECYCLING CONTAINER

I am understanding that we are allowed to have various Recycling Containers one next to another and have one piece of Litter lying on top of these Recycling Containers instead of inserting one Litter per Recycling Container.
You may score the litter on, not in the recycling container. The weight of the litter must be supported by a scored container.

Skyehawk 03-01-2015 13:26
Re: 2015 Recycle Rush Scoring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1419762)
The rule you quoted is right, but if you look closely they use the word any, not all when defining the container set.
The way I interpret it: there are a total of 10 recycling containers on the field: 3 in each alliance zone, 4 on the STEP. If any of those 3 are completely contained by the team's auto zone a container set is awarded.


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