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mjc49 07-01-2015 15:57
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For people who are considering working with alliance partners to build a stack in Autonomous mode, are you making the assumption that the stack will be built on the landmark? In not there, where else? :confused:

sviridovt 08-01-2015 08:48
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
For auto its probably unrealistic to expect to see stacks (especially being from what I understand from my reading of the rules, you only get the stack bonus if all 3 totes are stacked which is nearly impossible to be accomplished by only 1 robot and highly unlikely for all 3 robots to be able to partake). For this reason, the goal should really be to move game pieces into auto zone. To make the most of auto time it is advantageous to start getting the grey totes ready to be stacked, or go towards the center and start clearing way towards the middle barrier to get those cans.

During tele-op it will probably be best to have one robot on filling the cans with noodles early on (which really doesnt require much since you can just drive the cans up to human loading station and put the noodles in there directly) to get them ready for stacks. Initially the focus should be on scoring 3 high stacks (this way there is no risk since its linear scoring and gets it ready for the 6 high stacks). Once there is a 3 high stack put a can with a noodle on there then wait for another 3 high stacks, and then combine the stacks, which is the best strategy for stacking in my opinion. Co-op should really be a priority, for that create a stack of 3 and wait for the opposing alliance to get the 4th tote, if they can put it on top of the stack then great, if not get their tote and put it on top of the stack. The robot should also be able to pick up noodles from the ground, just to drag them to the landfill zone and get them to score, although that really shouldnt be a priority. The priority should go to co-op and stacks with cans (even if no noodles).

ishaves 08-01-2015 08:56
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Has anyone thought about the viability of basically a feeder robot that can quickly transfer say 3 totes from feeder station to the closest scoring platform?

MrJohnston 08-01-2015 09:56
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sviridovt (Post 1424200)
For auto its probably unrealistic to expect to see stacks (especially being from what I understand from my reading of the rules, you only get the stack bonus if all 3 totes are stacked which is nearly impossible to be accomplished by only 1 robot and highly unlikely for all 3 robots to be able to partake). For this reason, the goal should really be to move game pieces into auto zone. To make the most of auto time it is advantageous to start getting the grey totes ready to be stacked, or go towards the center and start clearing way towards the middle barrier to get those cans.
I disagree.
One thing I have learned in FIRST is that they never give an "impossible" scoring opportunity. Therefore, it is very possible to stack 3 yellow totes during autonomous. (Honestly, I would be shocked if the GDC didn't already build robots capable of doing this so that they were certain they were not giving us an impossible task!) So, I approach the game with this mindset: Instead of deciding what can and cannot be done, I ask myself, of everything that's legal, what would I love to be able to do? Usually this leads to a very difficult task. I then ask myself, "How can I get this done."

After Kickoff, my team spent all day Saturday and Sunday brainstorming and a much smaller "Design Team" has gotten together Sunday, Monday and Tuesday evenings to solve these very challenges. We started building our base and prototyping our lifting mechanism last night. Tonight, the Design Team is going to attempt to finishing conceptualizing our tote/bin-gathering manipulator.

I **know** we will be able to do a solo autonomous 3 tote stack. The real question is: What else can we add to it? Can we also grab a recycling bin? Or Two? Or?? Can we also start grabbing bins from the landfill? Etc.

blturner 08-01-2015 10:00
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Did I read the rules wrong? Can we feed from the human station during auto?
A three stack from the feeder station should be easy enough. I think it makes a two stack with just the drop.
Picking up the totes from there known locations on the floor does not seem to hard. The new ROBO Rio has the accelerometer built in. Add a gyro and your most the way there.
Everyone should plan on carrying multiple totes at the same time. Everyone should plan more than one auto so that you can stay out of the way of your alliance mates.

I don't think I am overly optimistic, but I may be overly hopeful. :]

MrSandman416 08-01-2015 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Wagner (Post 1422140)
We intend to have three stacked yellow totes in autonomous by having two robots carry containers while the first yellow tote is placed. Then the two other robots come back and get and stack their totes on the first using the vision system while the first robot carries its container. Finally all three robots end up in the auto zone for the full 40 points.

For teleoperated, naturally we will work with out alliance partners to make stacks of six with containers with litter on top. One robot takes a container to the human litter feeder, gets fed, puts it on a tote, then gets another while the other two robots make the stacks of totes. We will bottom stack. That is we will stack one with a container on it on one, then pick up that stack and put it on one, and repeat until we have a stack of six. Carefully we will put the six stack on the scoring platform. We think we can do this if we move slowly and carefully.

We will work with our alliance and opponents to get coopertition points during the qualification matches.
I could have misread the rules but i am pretty sure you can only score 32 points in Auto. You can get 4 from a robot set, 8 from a container, and you could either get 6 points for the tote set, or if you stack them it no longer counts for the set, it is upgraded to a stack for 20 points. I don't believe you can get a tote set and a tote stack.

pntbll1313 08-01-2015 10:22
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blturner (Post 1424236)
Did I read the rules wrong? Can we feed from the human station during auto?
You would need to cross the starting line to feed from the human player station. So that is not allowed.

G19 During AUTO, DRIVE TEAMS must remain behind the STARTING LINE and may not contact the OPERATOR CONSOLE, unless for personal or equipment safety.

K-Dawg157 08-01-2015 10:33
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sviridovt (Post 1424200)
For auto its probably unrealistic to expect to see stacks (especially being from what I understand from my reading of the rules, you only get the stack bonus if all 3 totes are stacked which is nearly impossible to be accomplished by only 1 robot and highly unlikely for all 3 robots to be able to partake). For this reason, the goal should really be to move game pieces into auto zone. To make the most of auto time it is advantageous to start getting the grey totes ready to be stacked, or go towards the center and start clearing way towards the middle barrier to get those cans.

During tele-op it will probably be best to have one robot on filling the cans with noodles early on (which really doesnt require much since you can just drive the cans up to human loading station and put the noodles in there directly) to get them ready for stacks. Initially the focus should be on scoring 3 high stacks (this way there is no risk since its linear scoring and gets it ready for the 6 high stacks). Once there is a 3 high stack put a can with a noodle on there then wait for another 3 high stacks, and then combine the stacks, which is the best strategy for stacking in my opinion. Co-op should really be a priority, for that create a stack of 3 and wait for the opposing alliance to get the 4th tote, if they can put it on top of the stack then great, if not get their tote and put it on top of the stack. The robot should also be able to pick up noodles from the ground, just to drag them to the landfill zone and get them to score, although that really shouldn't be a priority. The priority should go to co-op and stacks with cans (even if no noodles).
Definitely not impossible. I had an idea to be able to do this on the first day, but the programming for it is off the wall. It is possible, and you don't need anything super special from your alliance partners either.

*Nothing is impossible as long as you believe you can do it*

BJC 08-01-2015 10:34
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Full Strategy: Lift things up and put them down.

:rolleyes: , Bryan

Batterink 08-01-2015 10:35
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pntbll1313 (Post 1424245)
You would need to cross the starting line to feed from the human player station. So that is not allowed.

G19 During AUTO, DRIVE TEAMS must remain behind the STARTING LINE and may not contact the OPERATOR CONSOLE, unless for personal or equipment safety.
I believe you are allowed to move the totes towards, or push them into the human player station area though.

pntbll1313 08-01-2015 10:46
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Batterink (Post 1424252)
I believe you are allowed to move the totes towards, or push them into the human player station area though.
Agreed. I haven't seen a rule stating that you can't move totes toward the human player station once auto starts. My post was only in regards to trying to actually feed in auto.

MrForbes 08-01-2015 10:50
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Right now, our full strategy is to spend a lot of time aligning our robot with game pieces, so we can pick them up, then drop them accidentally.

Might not win many matches, but we feel it is something that our robot should be able to accomplish well.

K-Dawg157 08-01-2015 10:51
Re: recycle rush full strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BJC (Post 1424251)
Full Strategy: Lift things up and put them down.

:rolleyes: , Bryan
Yes. Just... Yes.

:D


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