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Joey1939 03-01-2015 21:53

CAN Rules
 
Quote:

R61 The PDP CAN interface must be connected to the CAN-bus on the roboRIO (either directly or daisy-chained via another
CAN-bus device).
I am reading this correctly that every team is required to use CAN?

Also, R40 defines acceptable positive and negative wire colors, but I see no rules that define CAN wire colors.

cgmv123 03-01-2015 22:10

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey1939 (Post 1420426)
I am reading this correctly that every team is required to use CAN?

Correct. Don't be afraid. This is a different implementation of CAN than in the past.

Quote:

Also, R40 defines acceptable positive and negative wire colors, but I see no rules that define CAN wire colors.
CAN wires are signal wires. No signal wires have color requirements.

RufflesRidge 03-01-2015 22:13

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1420463)
CAN wires are signal wires. No signal wires have color requirements.

Though the green and yellow wires in your kit will match the coloring on the connectors so that may be a wise choice.

cgmv123 03-01-2015 22:18

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RufflesRidge (Post 1420470)
Though the green and yellow wires in your kit will match the coloring on the connectors so that may be a wise choice.

Of course, but virtually the entire control system uses the Red:+, Black: - convention, and you could use White:+, Blue - if you wanted to.

jnicho15 05-01-2015 06:27

It is a differential pair, not signal and ground. It should be a twisted pair.

adciv 05-01-2015 07:04

Re: CAN Rules
 
It should be twisted, but does not have to. During beta testing, we were running it using non-twisted to a worse case than using twisted, no issues.

protoserge 05-01-2015 08:56

Re: CAN Rules
 
If you want to twist your own cable...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAquFszYZ1k#t=75

Al Skierkiewicz 05-01-2015 09:03

Re: CAN Rules
 
It is not really a "balanced" signal but it is a transmission line. You will need CAN enabled if you wish to use the pneumatics PCM module and turn on your compressor. As always, CAN implementation requires a terminating resistor at each end of the buss. One is provided in the RoboRio (The start of the buss) and another is provided in the PDP (possible end of the buss). If you wish to configure your CAN wiring differently or not use the PDP CAN, then be sure to provide the required termination resistor at the last device in your chain. The majority of CAN problems in the past have centered around the termination resistor.

Joe Ross 05-01-2015 09:43

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 1421832)
If you wish to configure your CAN wiring differently or not use the PDP CAN, then be sure to provide the required termination resistor at the last device in your chain.

Per R61, PDP CAN is required.

Al Skierkiewicz 05-01-2015 09:54

Re: CAN Rules
 
Thanks Joe, I forgot we included that. This gives the battery voltage reported by the PDP, right?

martin417 05-01-2015 10:26

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1421858)
Per R61, PDP CAN is required.

Just to avoid confusion, CAN to the PDP is required (and to the PCM if you use pneumatics), you can still use PWM for motor control.

nixiebunny 05-01-2015 22:13

Re: CAN Rules
 
CAN is required to talk with the PDP, but the upside is that you get to learn what all your load currents are!

Joe Ross 05-01-2015 22:18

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 1421864)
Thanks Joe, I forgot we included that. This gives the battery voltage reported by the PDP, right?

The battery voltage is monitored by the roboRIO. I assume the PDP requirement is so the DS and/or field can monitor currents.

marshall 05-01-2015 23:58

Re: CAN Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1422393)
The battery voltage is monitored by the roboRIO. I assume the PDP requirement is so the DS and/or field can monitor currents.

Correct. :)

duane 10-01-2015 00:54

Re: CAN Rules
 
The 4 ft of green/yellow wire is enough for some short runs for PDP and PCM connections. We plan on using CAN elsewhere as well.

I have not found a good source for green/yellow twisted pair. I know it doesn't have to be the same color, but it's good consistent reminder and it's our school colors. :-)

Does anyone have a good source for the green/yellow twisted pair wire?

Thanks


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