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topgun 03-01-2015 23:19
Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
An alliance's two human players are in the human player stations. Can they move from the human player station once they enter it? Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players? Can a human player move more than one tote or litter at the same time (i.e. could I grab all 10 litter at the same time and carry to the human player station)?

who716 03-01-2015 23:27
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun (Post 1420596)
An alliance's two human players are in the human player stations. Can they move from the human player station once they enter it? Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players? Can a human player move more than one tote or litter at the same time (i.e. could I grab all 10 litter at the same time and carry to the human player station)?
i do belive you can leave your station because the rules allow for the human player to become driver half way through a match, you can jus switch drivers at any time

jtrv 03-01-2015 23:36
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
You can seriously just switch drivers?

Which rule...? LOL

wajirock 03-01-2015 23:51
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
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Originally Posted by jtrv (Post 1420623)
You can seriously just switch drivers?

Which rule...? LOL
The closest one I could find talking about this is G32.

G32 During a MATCH, the ROBOT shall be operated solely by the DRIVERS and/or HUMAN PLAYERS of that Team.

The and part may mean that the Human Player could take control of the robot. I don't see any use for it though.

Dhill098 03-01-2015 23:55
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
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Originally Posted by wajirock (Post 1420645)
The closest one I could find talking about this is G32.

G32 During a MATCH, the ROBOT shall be operated solely by the DRIVERS and/or HUMAN PLAYERS of that Team.

The and part may mean that the Human Player could take control of the robot. I don't see any use for it though.
Maybe for Kinect control? I am just guessing.. But I think FIRST wants to leave opportunities open and see where teams take them.

Kevin Selavko 04-01-2015 00:04
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
We can use more controllers this year, so that might have something to do with it.

hjm978 04-01-2015 00:06
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
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Originally Posted by Dhill098 (Post 1420656)
Maybe for Kinect control? I am just guessing.. But I think FIRST wants to leave opportunities open and see where teams take them.
Actually in the rules it says no more kinect or webcam control. It's rule G21

Maxwellfire 04-01-2015 00:50
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I believe the no kinect/webcam was just for auto to prevent the innovative ways people have gotten around the auto rules in the past.

hjm978 04-01-2015 00:51
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Yeah I just wasn't sure if we were talking whole match or auto.

Jacob Bendicksen 04-01-2015 00:55
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Originally Posted by Maxwellfire (Post 1420723)
I believe the no kinect/webcam was just for auto to prevent the innovative ways people have gotten around the auto rules in the past.
True. G21 states:
Quote:
During AUTO, DRIVE TEAMS must not directly or indirectly interact with ROBOTS or OPERATOR CONSOLES.
The note below it:
Quote:
FIRST salutes the creative and innovative ways in which Teams have interacted with their ROBOTS during AUTO in previous seasons, making the AUTO period more of a hybrid period due to indirect interaction with the OPERATOR CONSOLE. The RECYCLE RUSH AUTO Period, however, is meant to be truly autonomous and ROBOT or OPERATOR CONSOLE interaction (such as through webcam or KinectTM) are prohibited.
However, R46 prohibits human players using IR remotes to control robots, similar to 2008.
Quote:
One(1) D-Link Wireless Bridge (P/N: DAP-1522), hardware revision B, that has been configured with the appropriate encryption key for your team number at each event, is the only permitted device for communicating to and from the ROBOT during the MATCH.

Hallry 04-01-2015 00:57
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun (Post 1420596)
Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players?
Just remember, as per G5, "only one Alliance member may be in each Human Player Zone at a time."

Dunngeon 04-01-2015 00:58
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Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen (Post 1420729)
True. G21 states:

However, R46 prohibits human players using IR remotes to control robots, similar to 2008.
Why did you bring up IR remotes?

Hallry 04-01-2015 00:59
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Originally Posted by Dunngeon (Post 1420735)
Why did you bring up IR remotes?
Because that was a legal way for human players to communicate with robots during the Hybrid Period of the 2008 game, FIRST Overdrive. It is not, however, legal this year.

Jacob Bendicksen 04-01-2015 01:00
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunngeon (Post 1420735)
Why did you bring up IR remotes?
It was the first thing that came to mind for an example, since they were legal in '08. I could have said R/C car remote, as well - same idea.

GaryVoshol 04-01-2015 13:41
Re: Human Player handling of totes and litter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hjm978 (Post 1420669)
Actually in the rules it says no more kinect or webcam control. It's rule G21
That's an Auton rule


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