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Arhowk 04-01-2015 20:44
roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
according to screensteps, there should be a National Instruments/Labview 2014/ folder. I only have a National Instruments/Labview 2013 with nothing in it but an .ini file. I have the 2014 driver station, dashboard, etc. but I don't have that folder. I am a Java user so I didn't install the LabView update. Do I have to install LabView to use the imaging tool?

Dinoyan 04-01-2015 20:46
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
You don't need lab view to use the imaging tool. But you need to use the lab view CD to instal the driver station, Smart DB and imaging tool.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 20:49
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinoyan (Post 1421459)
You don't need lab view to use the imaging tool. But you need to use the lab view CD to instal the driver station, Smart DB and imaging tool.
I used the internet installer because our team was taking inventory and it worked fine in previous years. It gave me the driver station and smart db. Was the imaging tool seriously not included in the internet version?

Dinoyan 04-01-2015 20:52
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
C:\Program Files\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2014\project\roboRIO

Did you follow this? Are you sure you checked in the C drive not H drive or other.

Joey1939 04-01-2015 20:55
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
There is two different installers, both found here.

The "NI Software for 2015" is the same as the install dvd. It contains LabView and is only required for LabView teams.

The "FRC 2015 Update Suite" is only available online. Every team is required to install this for the RoboRIO imaging tool, Radio imaging tool, and Driver Station.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 20:57
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey1939 (Post 1421471)
There is two different installers, both found here.

The "NI Software for 2015" is the same as the install dvd. It contains LabView and is only required for LabView teams.

The "FRC 2015 Update Suite" is only available online. Every team is required to install this for the RoboRIO imaging tool, Radio imaging tool, and Driver Station.
but... no.. the update suite doesn't contain the roboRIO imaging tool... atleast thats what I downloaded. Same with our classmate, it has the driver station and sd but no imaging tools

virtuald 04-01-2015 21:32
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1421477)
but... no.. the update suite doesn't contain the roboRIO imaging tool... atleast thats what I downloaded. Same with our classmate, it has the driver station and sd but no imaging tools
It does have it. Check "Program Files (x86)" instead of "Program Files". Confused me at first too.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 21:57
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virtuald (Post 1421517)
It does have it. Check "Program Files (x86)" instead of "Program Files". Confused me at first too.
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Arhowk>cd C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabView 2014\
The system cannot find the path specified.

C:\Users\Arhowk>cd C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabView 2013\

C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2013>
... I hope I'm not crazy.

(for anyone skimming to the last post not reading the above posts, the only thing inside of the LabView 2013 folder is a .ini file)

virtuald 04-01-2015 22:08
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1421559)
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Arhowk>cd C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabView 2014\
The system cannot find the path specified.

C:\Users\Arhowk>cd C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabView 2013\

C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2013>
... I hope I'm not crazy.

(for anyone skimming to the last post not reading the above posts, the only thing inside of the LabView 2013 folder is a .ini file)
Interesting. It is present on my computer, and I only installed the update. Windows 7 x64. Also worked on Windows 8.1 x64. Did you uninstall the prior LabVIEW/driver station stuff?

Arhowk 04-01-2015 22:08
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virtuald (Post 1421577)
Interesting. It is present on my computer, and I only installed the update. Windows 7 x64. Also worked on Windows 8.1 x64. Did you uninstall the prior LabVIEW/driver station stuff?
I did, as per the screensteps documentation. (lord i had over 500 items in that box, took over an hour)

e/ you have a typo in your resume

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virtuald 04-01-2015 22:09
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Oh, I installed the LabVIEW update from the NI update thing. However, I did not install the actual LabVIEW DVD.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 22:13
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virtuald (Post 1421581)
Oh, I installed the LabVIEW update from the NI update thing. However, I did not install the actual LabVIEW DVD.
I thought so, you installed the labview update.

So, yes, the FRC 2015 Update Suite does NOT contain the tools necessary to flash the roboRIO and router, contrary to it's specification, unless someone is 100% positive that they used the update suite (the one on the right) and recieved these tools.

cgmv123 04-01-2015 22:14
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virtuald (Post 1421581)
Oh, I installed the LabVIEW update from the NI update thing. However, I did not install the actual LabVIEW DVD.
The DVD should not be required unless you're programming in LabVIEW.

virtuald 04-01-2015 22:21
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1421587)
I thought so, you installed the labview update.

So, yes, the FRC 2015 Update Suite does NOT contain the tools necessary to flash the roboRIO and router, contrary to it's specification, unless someone is 100% positive that they used the update suite (the one on the right) and recieved these tools.
I think you're right that the docs are wrong. However, I definitely used the update suite and NOT the full LabVIEW install. You can install the LabVIEW update, even if you don't have LabVIEW installed.

Joe Ross 04-01-2015 22:29
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Let me see if I understand. You downloaded the FRC 2015 Update Suite from http://www.ni.com/download/first-rob...-2015/5112/en/. Then, during installation when the product list was displayed, you deselected LabVIEW update.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 22:39
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1421605)
Let me see if I understand. You downloaded the FRC 2015 Update Suite from http://www.ni.com/download/first-rob...-2015/5112/en/. Then, during installation when the product list was displayed, you deselected LabVIEW update.
Me? No. I installed the entirety of the update suite, I didn't uncheck the LabVIEW update. I did not install, download, nor obtain the CD for the LabView update.

Right now, I don't have access to the cd and I don't have the 4gb download (nor the time) so I'll check the cd installation tomorrow for the tools. If they are on there, than the update suite is definitely lacking the assets. I'm 100% sure that I have the entirety of the update suite downloaded and installed on my computer.

E/ I just ran the update suite again. All 4 aspects of the suite got skipped as they were already installed. National Instruments folder still does not contain a LabView 2014 folder.

2E/ I can also confirm this tomorrow using our development station, which I have not yet updated with the 2015 tools.

Joe Ross 04-01-2015 22:45
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1421614)
Me? No. I installed the entirety of the update suite, I didn't uncheck the LabVIEW update. I did not install, download, nor obtain the CD for the LabView update.

Right now, I don't have access to the cd and I don't have the 4gb download (nor the time) so I'll check the cd installation tomorrow for the tools. If they are on there, than the update suite is definitely lacking the assets. I'm 100% sure that I have the entirety of the update suite downloaded and installed on my computer.
I just helped a half dozen teams get running with C++. Not a single one installed anything from a DVD or the 4gb LabVIEW download. They all installed the Update Suite and all had the imaging tool.

There's something happening with your configuration.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 23:35
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
I'm fairly certain theres some glitch with the installer. Heres what I just did

1) Programs and features -> Uninstall a program -> National Instruments Software
2) Uninstalled everything listed
3) Checked the rest of the programs for anything ni-related, labview-related, or frc-related (nothing)
4) Restarted my computer
5) Ran the LabView Update for 2015

and it gave me this message
Code:
Installation Summary
No software will be installed or removed.

Arhowk 04-01-2015 23:39
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
I'm fairly certain theres some glitch with the installer. Heres what I just did

1) Programs and features -> Uninstall a program -> National Instruments Software
2) Uninstalled everything listed
3) Checked the rest of the programs for anything ni-related, labview-related, or frc-related (nothing)
4) Restarted my computer
5) Ran the LabView Update for 2015

and it gave me this message
Code:
Installation Summary
No software will be installed or removed.
note that the other 3 components (driver station, gamepad, and utilities) gave me the same error before the above process but install normally after the process. Is it possible my LabView installation got corrupted when I initially tried to uninstall it?

Cecil 06-01-2015 11:38
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Im going on a limb here, but when you ran the NI Update Installer, did you try installing directly from the .zip file or did you click Extract All Files? The update .zip is technically password protected, but for some reason Windows will open it to view files without having to enter the password. When you click Extract All, it will ask for the password that can be found on the same page as the updates. It seems to me like the setup is only running the main application and not running the payload installers.

Arhowk 06-01-2015 12:04
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Don't remember but installing the lab view package first allowed th update to Install properly. Silly.

arizonafoxx 06-01-2015 14:10
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
When I used the DVD that came in the kit 2014 Labview was installed and then I installed the FRC update. I had no problem finding the Imaging Tool exactly where FIRST said it would be.

You keep mentioning that you are looking in the Labview 2013 folder. This is not correct and tells me that you do not have the proper version of Labview installed for this year. I would say take a step back and make sure Labview 2014 is loaded on your computer first if you are using Labview this year and then install the update to see if that works.

Arhowk 07-01-2015 13:23
Re: roboRIO Imaging Tool
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arizonafoxx (Post 1422823)
When I used the DVD that came in the kit 2014 Labview was installed and then I installed the FRC update. I had no problem finding the Imaging Tool exactly where FIRST said it would be.

You keep mentioning that you are looking in the Labview 2013 folder. This is not correct and tells me that you do not have the proper version of Labview installed for this year. I would say take a step back and make sure Labview 2014 is loaded on your computer first if you are using Labview this year and then install the update to see if that works.
Reading all of the posts in a thread is helpful!

After installing the update suite and NOT the labview suite (as specified on the updates page), certain components were not able to download properly and thus no Labview 2014 folder was created. Installing the 2015 LabView update didn't make the LabView 2014\projects\roboRIO\ folder but it did enable the update suite to run properly.

I'm not sure why but if anyone else runs into a similar issue... install LV first.


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