Re: TNA Blacklist
 

It's essentially just scouting data. People make that publicly available all the time. If you want to verify it though, you'll have to check video for evidence. I think if I would have worded the proposal as "TNA Success Rates" people would have had a more positive reaction. It's essentially the same thing though.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

If you name it TNA Success rates, then you'd just have 0% rates for names and alliances that disagree to agree. It would still make them look bad. Let individual teams scout this kind of material if they should be so worried about who to trust or not. And worst comes to worst, "Oh no!" If you didn't score any of your noodles yes you would lose potential points. There are ways, however, to score more points than you would by following the noodle agreement. It would even force your opposing alliance to score less.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

When does this end though? A team on your alliance refuses to agree to the agreement, are you going to blacklist them too?

I feel the overall negatives to this agreement seriously outweigh the benefits...like hurting a team's reputation over something that's "just a game"....

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I really hope they kill this rule with a team update.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

Agreed.

The real danger is the TNA in quarters/semis.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I'm not sure if TNA Blacklist is clear. It would list the teams that said they WOULD PUT noodles on the floor, but then did NOT PUT noodles on the floor. If a teams said in the beginning that they will not participate in TNA, that's okay.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

This is your choice to not participate in the agreement, and while your own team can have its own morals (of course), just make sure you understand the ramifications this has for every other team on the field.

Teams in this game do not operate in a vacuum. This game is different, Frank did not lie, and almost all actions on the field are highly cooperative. Whatever match score your alliance ends up with, all three teams on that alliance have to live with it. In the case of TNA, all six teams on the field have to live with it.

A key point to FRC is gracious professionalism. What goes along with this in match play is a few things, but mainly its simply that when a team is on the field, that team should put out the best effort it possibly can. For a while now the main take away of this was the immorality of throwing matches. Now however, there are no wins or losses, and all that matters is how much you score, period. So even now more then ever, not scoring as much as you know you can by not taking part in TNA, in my eyes is somewhat akin to throwing a match, since it takes zero skill to complete it, and is purely a choice.

Of course if no one wants to do it then, hey, do whatever you want. But as far as I can see, if even one team wants to, the rest have a moral obligation to do so, since there is no loser in doing it. As it stands now, even if one alliance was to try to screw the other one by, say, pushing noodles into the landfill, no one is more hurt than they would have been than they would have been by not participating in the first place, at least not directly.

Take this with a grain of salt, I do think straight up throwing a match is worse than not taking part in TNA, but what is for certain is that I certainly hoping I wont have to be on an alliance with a member that takes this stance. I want to, you know, rank highly, and don't want to have to just 'pass that up' from some sort of issue with whether or not the rules intended this.

To be honest, I don't like it either, but if its legal, there's no way I could tell my team that we aren't doing it.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I agree. If we could assure that it would only simply state this specific team stated that they would and then renege on their word, but I think the term blacklist is the wrong word. It carries a negative connotation.

Maybe I'm a pessimist in this situation but I would really hope that in the case where it was 5 v 1 in favor of the agreement, that it wouldn't cause alliance in-fighting both on and off the field.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I wouldn't want my team to be remembered for publicly going against other teams by posting about it online. If you have a problem with something a team did, first talk to their team about it and make sure they didn't legitimately forget or misunderstand. If they really are jerks who are lying to your face, then be the mature one in the situation. There are lots of better and more mature ways to handle that situation then making a list of teams who don't do it. Also, keep in mind an action decided upon by a stressed high school student is a quick two minute match doesn't necessarily reflect the views of their team as a whole.

The noodle agreement, if allowed, is going to cause a lot more harm than good in this game.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I do not think a list is a good idea. At each regional/district the word will get out who does what. Then if people want they can check video of the match (give the match number ) and see the results.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I think that at that point it's beyond silly.

I'm honestly getting tired of this stupid TNA thing. If FIRST doesn't release a rule change, people should just not do it. It gives teams an unfair advantage, and forces other teams into uncomfortable situations where they have to conform or get left behind, and conforming means trusting another alliance, which sometimes is a serious risk.

TL;DR The TNA is a dangerous slope and if FIRST doesn't release a rule change people should just not do it as it puts the rest of the teams at a competition in a difficult position.

WWWD? What Would Woodie Do?

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

That won't happen.

I have no idea.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

This does not tell the whole story. This also does not account for mistakes. There will be people who forget to honor the agreement, or misunderstand. What if the human player succumbs to injury and the other human players were unable to rotate roles in time? What if a team is overwhelmed by problems and is no longer prioritizing average score to focus on making a stack by the HP station.

How would a team get off the blacklist? A team could be ostracized for making mistakes, being overwhelmed by problems and making incorrect heat of the moment decisions.

Personally, I think the noodle agreement should at least be removed from the playoffs.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

It's robotics, not football.

Re: TNA Blacklist
 

I popped my shoulder while human playing once. Anything can happen.