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EricH 15-02-2015 23:36
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TogetherSword8 (Post 1444601)
I know your are an inspector and not a referee, but are we allowed to, during setup on the field, activate our pneumatics systems via pushing the buttons on the solenoids of our robot? I would like to start a match with our pneumatics systems out of the robot, but during transport, no pressure and with pressure, they would be fully contained within the transport configuration.
As a referee AND an inspector...

I allowed it at the SCRRF Scrimmage. The main concern is safety, so make sure your pathway is clear.

RyanCahoon 16-02-2015 02:37
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1444648)
In R65 (allowed changes to pnumatics), the blue box says: "Do not, for example, paint ... any part of a pneumatic".

I remember a discussion last year about no labels or writing on plastic air tanks. In theory, the ink or adhesive could weaken the tank wall.

However, R65-E allows labeling.

So, can people put stickers, or write, on the air tanks or hoses?
How about getting some shrink tubing, and then writing on that?

ATannahill 16-02-2015 06:53
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 1444913)
How about getting some shrink tubing, and then writing on that?
I would be slightly concerned that the heat used to activate the shrink tube might damage the tank or hose. I would raise an eyebrow if I was inspecting your robot.

Richard Wallace 16-02-2015 07:32
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1443108)
... Eagerly awaiting the GDC's word on 2015 Q360. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1443109)
Yup, that was me asking... I saw them answer a question that check valves are illegal (which was expected), but wanted to make sure there was another answer directly applicable to the compressor we're using so an overzealous inspector didn't point to that Q&A and make our whole system worthless. I can't overturn inspectors when dealing with my own team :)
For those interested in the Viair 250C-IG, Q360 has been answered:

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRC Q&A
Q. Are check valves integral to the operation of a compressor legal? Specifically, the VIAIR 250C IG compressor, requires a provided in-line check valve to be attached in order to cooperate correctly. It's 12V, 0.88 CFM, and is rated for 150 PSI working pressure.

A. Per R66-J, any parts or devices that are required by the manufacturer for intended operation are considered in the definition of the whole part. In this case, the check valve is considered part of the compressor and as a pneumatic part may not be modified (that is to say 'removed'). This even holds true, for example, for those legal compressors that require the compressor to be used with the supplied stainless steel hose.

Al Skierkiewicz 16-02-2015 07:36
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As to labeling, labels for pneumatic parts are allowed under rule R65. I don't know hwat purpose a label would be on a tank, unless you store both high and low pressure air. Labels on hoses are the same as electrical wiring, I would guess.

As to using manual control of valves during robot setup, I would think the GDC has answered that in the Q&A. Safety is a major concern so it appears that powered movement (electrical or pneumatic) is not allowed. Hand tools may be used, but I believe that is all. I would suggest you ask the Q&A a specific question to be sure.

As to the 148 robot and numbering. I could only suggest to the team that they would want to play on Saturday afternoon and for that reason some numbering scheme that identifies them to other teams in the stands would be appropriate. Since they have always made a great robot, numbering seems to be a common task for them. I would expect a inspector would find them numbering each part of the robot.

rich2202 16-02-2015 09:55
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 1444941)
As to labeling, labels for pneumatic parts are allowed under rule R65. I don't know hwat purpose a label would be on a tank, unless you store both high and low pressure air.
One team at Week 0 had 4 white pneumatic tanks. I looked at them, and they did not have "clippard" on them. They did have some part numbers on them. I couldn't tell if they were printed by the manufacturer, or suck on (labeler) by the team.

If I was planning to use white tanks, I would want a label that clearly identified them as non-clippard (or an allowable clippard) because they will be asked over and over again.

Ginger Power 16-02-2015 21:20
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
I apologize if this is explicitly stated elsewhere on CD or if I'm missing it in the manual but I have a materials test to study for... Is it legal to cover pneumatic air tanks and pneumatic cylinders with anything, like say a carbon fiber covering, for aesthetic purposes? The carbon fiber just slips over the tanks and cylinders and doesn't do anything more than make it look cool. Since it's really not a modification would this be legal? I'm asking for a local team who doesn't generally use CD so I don't have a picture of this specific case.

Alan Anderson 16-02-2015 21:59
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
As a general rule, don't cover things so much that they can't be seen for inspection.

Ginger Power 16-02-2015 22:12
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
I'm actually going to be a rookie inspector at the same event they will be attending. In my book their setup doesn't do much to hamper the inspection process. The only issue I could see it bringing up would be preventing the inspector from obviously seeing if there is any damage to the air tanks or cylinders. I don't know if that is enough to say they can't do it.

Jon Stratis 16-02-2015 23:46
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginger Power (Post 1445423)
I'm actually going to be a rookie inspector at the same event they will be attending. In my book their setup doesn't do much to hamper the inspection process. The only issue I could see it bringing up would be preventing the inspector from obviously seeing if there is any damage to the air tanks or cylinders. I don't know if that is enough to say they can't do it.
Ryan, have them e-mail me a pic of their setup and the sleeve they want to use, and I can give them some more direct feedback. You've already got my e-mail address :)

In general, I don't see a problem with a sleeve over pneumatic components, provided it can be quickly and easily moved/removed for inspection, it doesn't alter the component in any way, and it doesn't compress the component (like a hose clamp would, for example).

Ginger Power 17-02-2015 00:17
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
I'll have them do that thanks!

rich2202 17-02-2015 06:03
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
BOM Comment:

KOP items do not have to be listed.

It would be nice if certain KOP items had to be listed, like motors. The reason is: They are limited by part number, and quantity. By explicitly listing them, it is easier to confirm the part number.

FrankJ 17-02-2015 09:33
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1445542)
BOM Comment:

KOP items do not have to be listed.

It would be nice if certain KOP items had to be listed, like motors. The reason is: They are limited by part number, and quantity. By explicitly listing them, it is easier to confirm the part number.
My understanding KOP material has to be on the BOM. The cost is $0.00 so it does not go against the $4000.00

MrForbes 17-02-2015 09:45
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This year is different....

FrankJ 17-02-2015 10:14
Re: Al's Annual Inspection Thread 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1445604)
This year is different....
Teach me to read the rules better. ::rtm::

My BOM just got a lot shorter. :)


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