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whitetail

11-02-2015 07:45

Java x axis on joystick

Hello my team is a rookie team 5407. We are trying to get the Joysticks X value to use to control the winch much like the drive system but for a winch any help would be great. We are programing in Java.

notmattlythgoe

11-02-2015 08:12

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitetail (Post 1441684)

You can do something like this.

Code:

motor.set(joystick.getX());

What robot base are you working with? Iterative, Sample, or Command Based? If you post where in your code you'd like to do this I can help a bit more.

Remember when posting code to place a [/code] after the code and a [code] before to code to make it easier to read in a forum.

GeeTwo

11-02-2015 08:13

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Which programming model are you using (Sample, Iterative, etc)?

What model of joystick are you using?

What motor controller are you using (Talon SR, Talon SRX, Jaguar...)?

Essentially, you need to declare a motor controller and a joystick axis, and do a motor.set(joystick.getX()) several times a second.

Here's a recent snapshot of our current "elevator" at github. It's built on the IterativeRobot template.

whitetail

11-02-2015 09:28

Re: Java x axis on joystick

We are using a command based program.

notmattlythgoe

11-02-2015 09:33

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitetail (Post 1441718)

We are using a command based program.

Do you have the subsystem made already or do you need help doing that?

whitetail

11-02-2015 22:33

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Thanks for all you help we figured it out finally.

Ozuru

12-02-2015 10:12

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1441689)

Hi GeeTwo,

What is the purpose of a PID subsystem? I have never understood why PIDSubsystems are used -- couldn't this have been accomplished using just a regular subsystem? What are the advantages to using a PIDSubsystem and when should it be used?

GeeTwo

12-02-2015 11:49

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1442391)

PID is a feedback technique. Feedback systems automatically adjust the inputs to a system (e.g. voltage applied to the motor) to seek a specified output (e.g. lift the tote so that it is 12" above the carpet). For Recycle Rush, we believe that this will help us perform line-up, pick-up, stack, and score actions more quickly than a human driver is likely to manage. While I don't think that the code as posted has it yet, we are going to limit the speed of lift/lower (specific number TBD, but probably about 2 fps) and provide "stop points" for various pickup, stacking, and scoring tasks.

PID allows you to set a target speed or position (or any other measurable quantity), and the code automatically seeks to attain and maintain that value. The key requirement of PID (or any other feedback technique) is that you are regularly measuring the output state of the system. This year on our lift, we're using a 10-turn potentiometer as a sensor. The current mechanical setup is the electrified tape measure similar to the one shown in this post. One of our mentors doesn't trust return springs in cheap tape measures, so we may switch to something that engages a 22-tooth idle sprocket with our lift chain. Tuning the PID to minimize settle time, overshoot, oscillation, and droop is at least as much art as science, but we're going to take that plunge again this year.

We have also used PID loops in the past (and will again this year) to automatically aim our game piece manipulators. For Rebound Rumble, Ultimate Ascent and Aerial Assist, this meant driving the robot so that we were properly positioned to score when we threw the game piece. For Recycle Rush, our goal is to align on the totes (and RCs) so consistently that they form a neat, stable, stack. For these applications the sensor has been, or at least included, a camera. The desired "output" in this case is the size and location of a vision target as reported by some openCV scripts.

Ozuru

12-02-2015 14:05

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1442486)

That makes a lot of sense. Ether also sent me a very helpful video by Brad Miller on the purposes and applications of PID loops. Thanks for the helpful explanation. :)

Would it make sense to setup your Drive Train subsystem itself as a PIDSubsystem using encoders?

notmattlythgoe

12-02-2015 14:10

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1442600)

You could do that. Or you could use a PIDCommand instead. Our team prefers using PIDCommands over PIDSubsystems. But I know others prefer it the other way around.

We like to keep our subsystems as simple as possible and do the bulk of our work in the commands. This is one of the reasons we prefer the command route.

Ozuru

12-02-2015 14:12

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1442608)

You could do that. Or you could use a PIDCommand instead. Our team prefers using PIDCommands over PIDSubsystems. But I know others prefer it the other way around.

This is my first year using Command Based and I haven't used PID-anything yet. I'm going to have to look into them -- what makes you prefer PIDCommands over PIDSubsystems?

notmattlythgoe

12-02-2015 14:14

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1442611)

This is my first year using Command Based and I haven't used PID-anything yet. I'm going to have to look into them -- what makes you prefer PIDCommands over PIDSubsystems?

I edited my response to include some of our reasoning. We also like that PIDCommands will stop any PIDControllers when they are finished. With a PIDSubsystem you have to manage this yourself. Here is our code so far this season, feel free to look around and let me know if you have any questions.

One class you can take a look at is our DriveAtSpeed class.

GeeTwo

12-02-2015 14:20

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1442600)

Would it make sense to setup your Drive Train subsystem itself as a PIDSubsystem using encoders?

If you're interested in controlling speed, yes. If you're going to use it to drive a precise distance and stay at that location, no. This is because as you approach the desired condition (stationary), you aren't getting feedback. And no, I would not consider "drive into the AutoZone" as requiring a precise distance measurement for this purpose.

cstelter

12-02-2015 15:34

Re: Java x axis on joystick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1442600)

Would it make sense to setup your Drive Train subsystem itself as a PIDSubsystem using encoders?

We set up a PIDSubsystem that had a constructor to accept a SpeedController and an encoder. We also then gave this PIDSubsystem the SpeedController interface via the implements keyword.

Something like

Code:

public class NordicSpeedController extends PIDSubsystem implements SpeedController {

   SpeedController m_motor;

   Encoder m_encoder;



   public NordicSpeedController(SpeedController motor, Encoder encoder) {

       super(1.0,0,0);  // pass PID to PIDSubsystem construtor

   }



   public void usePIDOutput(double output)  {

         motor.set(output)

   }

   

   public double returnPIDInput() {

       //Be sure encoder setDistancePerPulse() is set such that this returns

       //values between -1.0 and +1.0 over the full range of speed you can go

       return encoder.getRate();

   }



   //Next functions implment SpeedController Interface

   public void set(double speed) {

       enable();

       setSetpoint(speed)

   }



   public void set(double speed, int syncGroup) {

       //We don't need syncGroup so simplify implmenetation

       set(speed)

   }



   //Not entirely sure this shouldn't return getPIDController.getSetpoint()

   public double get() {

       return encoder.getRate();

   }

}

With the above class definition, we could create 4 NordicSpeedController objects each with a different Talon and encoder. We can then pass those 4 NordicSpeedControllers to RobotDrive() constructor which requires 4 SpeedControllers and since we implement the SpeedController Interface it is happy to accept our PIDSubsystems as SpeedControllers.

This allows us to call driveTrain.mecanumDrive which in turn calls m_robotDrive.mecanumDrive_Cartesian() and we can request that we drive 0.1 (10 % of full speed). To move the robot, the PID can apply 1.0 power for a few ms and as the wheels start turning our rate increases until the robot can move, then the PID keeps increasing/decreasing motor power to maintain 10% speed. Without PID, 0.1 power would likely not even overcome friction.

You can then create PIDCommands to act on the drive train as a whole for DriveToDistance or RotateToAngle or DriveAlongAngle and it will call tankDrive or mecanumDrive in the usePIDOutput() function and read the distance off an appropriate encoder or the angle off the gyro to make adjustments to the rotation or forward speed.

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